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Freezie KO
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(Today, 11:04 AM)
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Originally Posted by ZealousD

People saying that they want "EAD" games are only partially right. The stuff that EAD works on is usually high quality, which is why people are thinking they want EAD games. But that's not what they really want.

Smash Bros is on its second iteration being handled by a team outside of Nintendo's first party studios and yet people consider it to be a "Nintendo" game. Mario Party has traditionally been produced outside of Nintendo first party studios and people consider it a "Nintendo" game.

What people exactly want isn't a game produced by Nintendo EAD. They want a high quality franchise with staying power. They want a new legendary franchise from Nintendo. Something that can last a very long time and be a new feather in Nintendo's cap of incredibly successful and exploitable IPs. The last time this happened was Pikmin and Animal Crossing, back in the Gamecube era.

Monolithsoft has generally produced one-offs so far. The Wonderful 101 is probably going to be a one-off. So these don't fit the bill. People want something new, but they also want that new thing to stick around.

I mostly agree. I'll even take something like Kid Icarus Uprising, which is a one-off. But I want something that is a fresh experience. Something with a lot of development effort put into it. Loads of content that really digs deep into the mechanics of the game.

Sure, PushMo and Dillon's Rolling Western are fun and internally developed, but they're fairly shallow mechanically (and that's fine because the price reflects that). And granted, Nintendo owns the IP of Wonderful 101, but it's a critically divisive game that was developed and pitched by a third-party.

The real argument isn't a semantic question of "What is Nintendo?" The real argument is "Why can't Nintendo put its internal dev teams on something both fresh and substantive?"
SporeCrawler
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(Today, 11:05 AM)
Is gears or resistance a ms or sony first party title yes or no? If those are first party titles why would anybody question wonderful 101 or last story and the likes.

Xenoblade is even more ridiculous. That game is made by a company owned by nintendo by 97%.
Jaded Alyx
(Today, 11:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by pizza dog

Do I get Club Nintendo points. Bam.

Originally Posted by foxuzamaki

Yup, basically this, if you get club nintendo points from it, it counts as nintendo, and that company more than likely is nintendo, cept for when they are temporarily 2nd party for them

Do you guys not buy third party games on Nintendo hardware then? You get Club Nintendo points for registering those too.
Teletraan1
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(Today, 11:55 AM)
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It means Nintendo first party. Not some 3rd party studio contracted out to make a game for Nintendo. People know what you mean they just want to play semantics games and mouth off about Wonderful 101 because Nintendo owns the IP. I am talking take a break from Mario and Zelda and make something new with your premier top shelf studios that are probably among the best in the world. This is slander to Nintendo fans somehow from the response I got in that Zelda cyberpunk thread.
gngf123
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(Today, 12:00 PM)
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Anything entirely funded and owned by Nintendo, regardless of who did the development.

The Wonderful 101 counts, for example.
Reila
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(Today, 12:14 PM)
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I know Game Freak certainly doesn't. People love to put the Pokémon series alongside Nintendo's first party franchise, when in fact Pokémon is second party.
ASIS
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(Today, 12:20 PM)
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Can someone please explain to me what is the difference between monolith soft and naughty dog? Why is one considered third party while the other is first?

Also, if those games aren't "Nintendo" then the Wii had a pretty damn good third party support, wouldn't you say?
Jaded Alyx
(Today, 12:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by ASIS

Can someone please explain to me what is the difference between monolith soft and naughty dog? Why is one considered third party while the other is first?

Also, if those games aren't "Nintendo" then the Wii had a pretty damn good third party support, wouldn't you say?

There is no difference (as you know :) )

Weirder still when you have a Monolith Soft studio working on assets for other Nintendo games such as Zelda.
Mithos
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(Today, 12:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Busaiku

Gamefreak isn't owned by Nintendo.

Originally Posted by Roto13

No. But the Pokemon Company is.

Probably.

I don't know exactly how ownership of that company is divvied up between Gamefreak, Nintendo, and Creatures Inc., but Nintendo owns Creatures Inc..

Originally Posted by Toad.T

They aren't? Learn something new every day.


Edit:

Originally Posted by Serebii from SPP @ gamefaqs forum

The ownership of Pokémon is split between 3 companies

GameFreak owns 34% of the franchise. Nintendo owns some of GameFreak (53% added by Mithos)
Nintendo owns 33% of the franchise.
Creautres Inc. owns 33% of the franchise. Nintendo owns 100% of Creatures Inc.

That info comes from another discussion we had earlier about Pokemon in the following thread. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709529

Serebii being JoeM86 on NeoGAF btw.
Village
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(Today, 12:23 PM)
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Originally Posted by Reila

I know Game Freak certainly doesn't. People love to put the Pokémon series alongside Nintendo's first party franchise, when in fact Pokémon is second party.

Its a company that makes a bunch of money that nintendo has a large stake in , Its mascots are world wide phenomenon put next to other nintendo mascots constantly, and has been selling nintendo handhelds off its exclusivity since the mid 90's.

Lets just let the technicalities slide and lets be real here, Pokemon is Nintendo, and Pokemon is a hell of a lot more important to nintendo than a lot of strait up nintendo franchises.
JoeM86
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(Today, 12:31 PM)
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Originally Posted by Reila

I know Game Freak certainly doesn't. People love to put the Pokémon series alongside Nintendo's first party franchise, when in fact Pokémon is second party.

Not quite.

Pokémon is an anomaly. It is both first party and second party.

Nintendo owns Pokémon alongside GameFreak and Creatures Inc. GameFreak develops the main games, other studios develop spin-offs under the direction of The Pokémon Company which is owned by Nintendo. Nintendo allegedly has a stake in GameFreak and iirc, Creatures Inc. is a subsidiary of Nintendo.

Also, Nintendo had a massive hand in the development of the first games, with even Miyamoto helping out here and there. This should definitely factor in.

It's a very confusing ownership scheme. Pokémon is technically first party, however. As Nintendo owns part of the IP, and the overall company that deals with licensing and decisions of the spin-off games, it counts.
beril
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(Today, 12:55 PM)
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Originally Posted by ZealousD

Smash Bros is on its second iteration being handled by a team outside of Nintendo's first party studios and yet people consider it to be a "Nintendo" game.

You mean on it's fourth iteration. As far as I know HAL is not owned by Nintendo
sörine
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(Today, 12:55 PM)
Pokémon isn't the only game Nintendo has a shared ownership structure in. Mother and Starfi are other good examples.

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