I am certain now that whatever Xen is present in Black Mesa will be the cannon Xen design for HL3...cuz we all know Xen is making a come backOriginally Posted by Intheflorsh
Not likely, as Black Mesa is being released with Valve's blessing.
How is that not a great starting point...You could start it RIGHT after Episode 2 and then show the aftermath, which gives the player the exact motivation you need to clean up the mess...HL2 and EPISODE 2 SPOILERS
So the ending of episode 2 is not a great point to start off a full blown sequel to HL2. Basically the episodes had their own story arc that was going to end with Episode 3. From what I remember you were basically charged with meeting Mossman in the artic because there was a boat their that had some sort of technology to end the fight forever....problem is the fight is pretty much over. The mega portal has been sealed, all the troops left wont get reinforcements, and you are leaving behind all the major characters from Half-Life excluding Alyx.
So basically the sequel will be starting at an awkward point, most people arent going to remember why they are going to the arctic in the first place, and newcomers are going to be lost after picking up on a story that stopped before the final chapter 8 years ago.
And whatever graphical update that will happen is going to be jarring as hell...is the game going to start right after Eli dies in this beautifully detailed warehouse with a new Alyx and Dog model?
I see it more as..."oh hey guys remember this guy got killed? oh yeah now remember how you were mad about...ok bear with us...now get really mad again...and now you are in the arctic circle...."How is that not a great starting point...You could start it RIGHT after Episode 2 and then show the aftermath, which gives the player the exact motivation you need to clean up the mess...
Although some of the leaked concept showed Xen stuff so it would be pretty cool to see Xen creeping int our world
Compared with most games at the time it was groundbreaking.....but a lot has happened within the last decade and they now have to compete with 'The Last of Us' instead of Doom 3 and FarCryOriginally Posted by Basileus777
They are? I'm not sure their writing has actually been all that great outside of the Portal games. Half-Life 2 was fairly clunky in how the storytelling was executed.
Half-Life 1 had a decent story, if not infinitely cliched (Aliens invade! Send in the military! Oh no!) and it was great as far as FPS for the time went (compared to something like Quake 2? In a league of its own), but... it was no System Shock 2 as far as narrative presentation and writing goes. Valve are not the "masters" of story-telling, not at all.Originally Posted by Basileus777
They are? I'm not sure their writing has actually been all that great outside of the Portal games. Half-Life 2 was fairly clunky in how the storytelling was executed.
Half-Life 1 has a shit ending, with an out-of-nowhere end boss, and then they go into Half-Life 2 and WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!? WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE? COMBINE, WHAT? What the fuck did they do to Half-Life?
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So you still haven't explained why you think that's not a good starting point. Eli was a very huge part of Half-Life 2, and remembering his death again would easily bring people back in. It's one of the biggest moments in HL2's timeline.I see it more as..."oh hey guys remember this guy got killed? oh yeah now remember how you were mad about...ok bear with us...now get really mad again...and now you are in the arctic circle...."
Although some of the leaked concept showed Xen stuff so it would be pretty cool to see Xen creeping int our world
Feel free to actually point out where it was clunky. It seemed rather straight forward and flowing to me. The narrative itself was pretty tightly knit imho.Originally Posted by Basileus777
They are? I'm not sure their writing has actually been all that great outside of the Portal games. Half-Life 2 was fairly clunky in how the storytelling was executed.
It's a perfectly fine place to start a new storyline.
It can open with a helicopter ride through the arctic, paralleling the train rides in Half-Life and Half-Life 2. Alyx can talk about what has happened to get people up to speed. After inevitably crashing and battling their way through obstacles to meet Mossman, she can explain to them how some new threat has emerged. Insert G-Man exposition dumps and voila. They can resolve the Combine arc and swiftly set-up something else.
It can open with a helicopter ride through the arctic, paralleling the train rides in Half-Life and Half-Life 2. Alyx can talk about what has happened to get people up to speed. After inevitably crashing and battling their way through obstacles to meet Mossman, she can explain to them how some new threat has emerged. Insert G-Man exposition dumps and voila. They can resolve the Combine arc and swiftly set-up something else.
How about a bold Alien 3 style opening where Alyx and the rest of the Black Mesa characters are dead and Gordon shaves off his goatee?
I'm sure Marc Laidlaw will figure out something. And it blow all our minds.
They can pick up the story and move it where and when they want, without linking the previous game. Jut like HL1 to 2.
I just think people are going to have a hard time getting back into the revenge mood....I mean when Eli died it was ShOCKING...a huge holy shit moment....but Eli's been dead for 6 years...it isnt shocking anymore...the "Oh im gunna fuck up those combines" feelings have pretty much faded...and i say this as a HUGE HL2 fan....loved loved loved those games and lore, but now...eh....not really feeling it anymoreSo you still haven't explained why you think that's not a good starting point. Eli was a very huge part of Half-Life 2, and remembering his death again would easily bring people back in. It's one of the biggest moments in HL2's timeline.
EDIT: It would be VERY interesting though if the game picked up 8 years later
The something else being Half-Life 3: Episode 1 coming 2023It's a perfectly fine place to start a new storyline.
It can open with a helicopter ride through the arctic, paralleling the train rides in Half-Life and Half-Life 2. Alyx can talk about what has happened to get people up to speed. After inevitably crashing and battling their way through obstacles to meet Mossman, she can explain to them how some new threat has emerged. Insert G-Man exposition dumps and voila. They can resolve the Combine arc and swiftly set-up something else.
I mean, you're not valve'a only fan...I think you're assuming quite a bit.I just think people are going to have a hard time getting back into the revenge mood....I mean when Eli died it was ShOCKING...a huge holy shit moment....but Eli's been dead for 6 years...it isnt shocking anymore...the "Oh im gunna fuck up those combines" feelings have pretty much faded...and i say this as a HUGE HL2 fan....loved loved loved those games and lore, but now...eh....not really feeling it anymore
EDIT: It would be VERY interesting though if the game picked up 8 years later
Well Im just saying this as a fan of HL2....I mean I was a big poster on hlfallout.net for a number of years....loved the series....but no matter how dedicated you are to a series at some point the cliff hanger of an ending loses its immediacy and power over the playerI mean, you're not valve'a only fan...I think you're assuming quite a bit.
This game will probably get reviewed poorly because gamers and game journalists can't play anything that isn't too linear anymore.
Perfect place to start off. Old dude was killed by the albino brain chigger, but for real, he had a mind meld and now knows their entire plan to use earth to grow delicious brussel sprouts for the entire galaxy.
G-Man dude.
HL1 ended just like that without explanation of further events.
I hope that they will do HL3 more like HL1 instead of HL2. More good level design.
HL1 ended just like that without explanation of further events.
I hope that they will do HL3 more like HL1 instead of HL2. More good level design.
Most likely the game starts off during the travel to Antarctica. This would make them re-introduce the main characters during the game. Alyx would likely be there with you. Dog might be there as well, but I doubt it.
Since earth now is "safe" you will not be on earth for most of the game. The portal tech in Borealis will probably take you to The Combine
Since earth now is "safe" you will not be on earth for most of the game. The portal tech in Borealis will probably take you to The Combine
This thread is getting me too excited again. I'm gonna have to bail out.
Oh why won't you tease us with some news, Valve?
Oh why won't you tease us with some news, Valve?
If they want to keep up the tradition (which is Gordon experiencing this in real-time) then it will indeed start from there, unless G-Man steps in and enter flashforward. It's gonna have a slow start though, probably even slower than any other entry.
Also in the Jira leak, wasn't there an Episode 3 movie group?
Also in the Jira leak, wasn't there an Episode 3 movie group?
How was Nihilanth out-of-nowhere? They sent you to Xen to defeat it. He's communicating with you before you encounter it. Also, you took care business on Xen, Black Mesa was carpet bombed, and G-Man recruited you, so it's not like the setting switch came out of nowhere. In fact I was expecting HL2 to be even more far removed from HL1 than it turned out to be (probably would have been the case in a hypothetical HL3 where the Vortigaunts didn't snatch you in ep1), but got to hand it to Valve for going through with it.Half-Life 1 had a decent story, if not infinitely cliched (Aliens invade! Send in the military! Oh no!) and it was great as far as FPS for the time went (compared to something like Quake 2? In a league of its own), but... it was no System Shock 2 as far as narrative presentation and writing goes. Valve are not the "masters" of story-telling, not at all.
Half-Life 1 has a shit ending, with an out-of-nowhere end boss, and then they go into Half-Life 2 and WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!? WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE? COMBINE, WHAT? What the fuck did they do to Half-Life?
I dunno man, the end of ep 2 is part of what has me hyped for hl3.
Has it seriously been 8 years since Episode 2?
edit: No. No, it hasn't. I was about to feel really old.
edit: No. No, it hasn't. I was about to feel really old.
no, "only" 6 years.
Hope they just do another storyline or a parallel story (new characters, co-op, or a combination; just don't pull a MGS2). Valve and Tool should get together on a project, they seem to have similar working timelines.
There's plenty of ways to think of to start it. It doesn't really matter if they start it the second after Episode 2 ends, or 20 minutes later with Gordon coming into conscious in the helicopter with a quiet, mortified Alyx. All that matters is the execution and presentation, and I think Valve has mastered that.
and here I am waiting for Max Payne 3 ...
What has Adrian Shepherd been up to?
That's why I don't want a Half-Life 3 until I get the promised Episode 3. It's going to be bullshit if they turn the episode story arc into the full sequel.
Because it has been so long, I could see them going with the "Wake up Mr. Freeman" Gman intro + dropped off in an unfamiliar place intro again. I'm sure whatever they put out will be rediculously polished and well done by most standards. But I'm genuinely curious to see if Source 2 will be another big leap in tech, and if Valve can possibly raise the bar again after such a long layoff. CS:GO, L4D, Dota 2 are not exactly the most creatively taxing projects...There's plenty of ways to think of to start it. It doesn't really matter if they start it the second after Episode 2 ends, or 20 minutes later with Gordon coming into conscious in the helicopter with a quiet, mortified Alyx. All that matters is the execution and presentation, and I think Valve has mastered that.
I'm not holding my breath for Source 2 to be cutting edge. Valve has been sitting on Source for a long time now, other devs have long surpassed them in technology. And they'd probably want the new engine to be accessible to as many people as possible, so they won't go crazy with requirements. Texture work, animations and maybe physics I can see them delivering, but fidelity, features, I'm not sure. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
I have my doubts about that. As long as the vortigaunts are near, Gman have no real influence. When the vortigaunts grabbed you in Ep. 1, the Gmail only are able to message you when they rescued Alyx.Because it has been so long, I could see them going with the "Wake up Mr. Freeman" Gman intro + dropped off in an unfamiliar place intro again. .
And since that costs the life of Eli Vance, it seems to me that Gman can only observe and make sure the timeline is as it should. The vortigaunts disrupted the timeline in Ep.1. So it will be interesting to see if there will be more "unforeseen consequences", since Gman still isn't in control.
I can't remember anything about half life 2 story after the initial hour.
It's been too long
It's been too long
the ending ogff half life 2 was kinda stupid..kinda killed the hype for the story for me.
but i want DAT gameplay
but i want DAT gameplay
This is a non-issue.
If Last Guardian is alive HL3 has a chanceif it was this simple
Since Valve doesn't make single player-only games anymore, Half-Life 3 should have 3 player coop with Gordon, Alyx, and Barney. That's where your 3 comes from. Bam.
I feel like the Combine probably wouldn't just roll over and give up now that the portal is closed. I'm sure they have backup plans: we know that they have other portal technology because we saw it in Nova ProspektHL2 and EPISODE 2 SPOILERS
So the ending of episode 2 is not a great point to start off a full blown sequel to HL2. Basically the episodes had their own story arc that was going to end with Episode 3. From what I remember you were basically charged with meeting Mossman in the artic because there was a boat their that had some sort of technology to end the fight forever....problem is the fight is pretty much over. The mega portal has been sealed, all the troops left wont get reinforcements, and you are leaving behind all the major characters from Half-Life excluding Alyx.
So basically the sequel will be starting at an awkward point, most people arent going to remember why they are going to the arctic in the first place, and newcomers are going to be lost after picking up on a story that stopped before the final chapter 8 years ago.
And whatever graphical update that will happen is going to be jarring as hell...is the game going to start right after Eli dies in this beautifully detailed warehouse with a new Alyx and Dog model?
We've barely seen any supervisors either and they're pretty much badass. Also, aren't combine soldiers augmented humans? They might start rounding up survivors to create more troops.
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