It's doesn't matter if it's a sequel to a hit. It's a character and universe that doesn't need it and as stated before already had it's "15 mins of fame".
If it's good, it's good tho but to many on gaf it's like: "...really?....really"
There's no guarantee that X will even make it out next year. We may have to wait until 2015 to get it, if NOA pulls another Xenoblade.Originally Posted by Mauricio_Magus
I'm not disappointed, we're already getting Bayonetta 2, X, and Smash as the huge AAA hits of the year.
And DKC without the waggle controls sounds glorious.
We've had nsmbu nslu and super Mario 3d world un the space of a year. Thats plenty of Nintendo platform games. Its not exactly a genre that the Wii u is lacking given that we'll probably get dk and yoshi next year.
True Nintendo diversity.
True Nintendo diversity.
I personally would've preferred a new character-driven IP and I do agree Nintendo put themselves in a position where the Wii U is saturated in tons of platformers, but in the context of the game itself I think DKC:TF looks excellent. Really resent the idea that it and DKCR were somehow 'lesser' projects than Metroid Prime and better scheduling for a Returns followup probably would've avoided the fan fallout.
How much of that was actually intentional and from Retro? I feel that Paul Gale quote about them working on 'something everybody wants' was a big help in rumors getting way out of hand over what they were working on.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
After all the silence and teasing...yeah Fucking Donkey Kong was a let down.
... Which was just a quick port of the first game?Originally Posted by Devilgunman
Because we just got a Donkey Kong game on 3DS.
Look, I like Donkey Kong as much as the next guy. I love platformers to death, and I was a Rareware superfan all through the '90s. But damn if I wasn't holding out for a larger scale project. I just want to see Retro come out with something fresh and exciting. Something that screams "go buy a Wii U right now!" At least in my opinion, Donkey Kong isn't that game. This feels more like Nintendo playing it safe.
I love Donkey Kong Country, I loved Donkey Kong Country Returns and I will, undoubtedly, love Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze.
I'm not getting my hopes up for X (the game that doesn't even have a formal name) for 2014. I will be joyed if it comes earlier than I expect tho.Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee
There's no guarantee that X will even make it out next year. We may have to wait until 2015 to get it, if NOA pulls another Xenoblade.
Not at all honestly. DKCR was my favorite 2D platformer of last gen and while I "get" why some folks are miffed, I won't sympathize with the "Fucking Donkey Kong" contingent ever.
guess you're right
platformers can never be as ambitious as another game where you shoot stuff
platformers can never be as ambitious as another game where you shoot stuff
I get so tired about people crying for another Metroid Prime. There are 3 games already. That is more than enough for me. I really don't need another game doing the same thing right this second.
If they revisit Metroid, I'm sure it would be cool. But I'd much rather have them do anything else but that.
If they revisit Metroid, I'm sure it would be cool. But I'd much rather have them do anything else but that.
Nope I guess its no use complaining so were settling on that's its going to be ok.
The games feel hallow without k rool and the kremleings what the fuck is up with them not using them?
The games feel hallow without k rool and the kremleings what the fuck is up with them not using them?
I'm sure it'll be a good game but there's already a whole bunch of platformers on the Wii U and DK is just selling to the existing Nintendo fanbase. It was the safe and unexciting choice.
I was hoping for a brand new IP from Retro.
I was hoping for a brand new IP from Retro.
whats funny was after retro released the first game people were all over the idea of them making a sequel and then when one was announced people were angry.
Why does DK deserve 15 minutes of fame? Before Rare was bought DK had games regularly. Neither Metroid or DK needs to go without games for as long periods of time. Also, Metroid Other M wasn't that long ago. Give Nintendo so time to find a good developer for the series. It took long enough for Donkey Kong.It's doesn't matter if it's a sequel to a hit. It's a character and universe that doesn't need it and as stated before already had it's "15 mins of fame".
If it's good, it's good tho but to many on gaf it's like: "...really?....really"
I had to wait 15 years for another 2D Donkey Kong. I'll take as many as Nintendo can throw at me
Not to mention you'll never get the same amount of reactions towards EAD Tokyo doing 'another fucking Mario', Insomniac 'another fucking Ratchet & Clank' or Naughty Dog doing 'another fucking Uncharted'. It's obnoxious.Not at all honestly. DKCR was my favorite 2D platformer of last gen and while I "get" why some folks are miffed, I won't sympathize with the "Fucking Donkey Kong" contingent ever.
It is a waste of resources from the one studio Nintendo has that can do western style games. Even if they didn't do Metroid they could have done a different Genre of game.
At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.
Retro should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.
At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.
Retro should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.
Actually you'll find that people are annoyed by all the examples you just listed. I know I am. Ratchet and Clank should have put out of its misery years ago, and seeing that Naughty Dog is working on another Uncharted instead of making something genuinely new for the new generation turns my stomach.Originally Posted by Astrosanity
Not to mention you'll never get the same amount of reactions towards EAD Tokyo doing 'another fucking Mario', Insomniac 'another fucking Ratchet & Clank' or Naughty Dog doing 'another fucking Uncharted'. It's obnoxious.
Boom.It is a waste of resources from the one studio Nintendo has that can do western style games. Even if they didn't do Metroid they could have done a different Genre of game.
At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.
Retro should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.
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nintendo and this game is irrelevant
I quite enjoyed DKCR, so I'm certainly looking forward to Tropical Freeze as probably the game to put me over the edge on the Wii U.
That said: Retro is far and away one of Nintendo's most talented studios and I wish they were doing something that pushed the bar further than "DKCR With Better Graphics."
That said: Retro is far and away one of Nintendo's most talented studios and I wish they were doing something that pushed the bar further than "DKCR With Better Graphics."
As others have said, the Wii U doesn't need another first party Nintendo platformer right now.
I'll buy the game, likely on day 1, and will most likely love it. But the Wii U could use a little more variety right now and Retro is an extremely talented studio that probably could have brought something a lot more 'fresh' to the table. Ever since the Metroid Prime Trilogy ended I've really wanted to see what they could do with their own original project.
I'll buy the game, likely on day 1, and will most likely love it. But the Wii U could use a little more variety right now and Retro is an extremely talented studio that probably could have brought something a lot more 'fresh' to the table. Ever since the Metroid Prime Trilogy ended I've really wanted to see what they could do with their own original project.
Retro has over 100 employees and someone from Nintendo (can't remember if it was Iwata, Miyamoto, or Reggie) said they are big enough to take on multiple projects. I highly doubt the entire studio is working on a 2D platformer.I kinda hope one day Retro gets expanded so they could on both series.
Of course I want it, I love Donkey Kong. I do hope they do something new afterwards, though.
All of this. Yes.It is a waste of resources from the one studio Nintendo has that can do western style games. Even if they didn't do Metroid they could have done a different Genre of game.
At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.
Rare should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.
And I think this is the important distinction. I don't think anybody thinks Tropical Freeze is going to be a bad game. But, from a business and tactical perspective, having Retro work on another Donkey Kong game is about the most ill-thought decision Nintendo could have made. It really makes no sense outside of "Well, the other one was a decent seller...Let's spam it!"
You're joking, right? That happens all the time. It gets shot down by dissenters, but it definitely happens A LOT.Originally Posted by Astrosanity
Not to mention you'll never get the same amount of reactions towards EAD Tokyo doing 'another fucking Mario', Insomniac 'another fucking Ratchet & Clank' or Naughty Dog doing 'another fucking Uncharted'. It's obnoxious.
Yea, I want to see if a 2.5D Metroid would work. I'd be really excited to see that. I don't want another FPS Metroid, sorry.I get so tired about people crying for another Metroid Prime. There are 3 games already. That is more than enough for me. I really don't need another game doing the same thing right this second.
If they revisit Metroid, I'm sure it would be cool. But I'd much rather have them do anything else but that.
The graphics aren't even that much better. Sure, the game is running in a higher resolution now. But in terms of the actual assets I'm not seeing a dramatic increase in their quality. It looks a lot like the copy-paste job Nintendo pulled with NSMB Wii -> NSMB Wii U.I wish they were doing something that pushed the bar further than "DKCR With Better Graphics."
Would have preferred a new Metroid FPS, which is what the console desperately needs, but I'm sure the game will be excellent. I have the one on Wii and it looks very impressive and plays good.
DO. NOT. WANT.
How about Nintendo makes good on their promise to provide new and unique gameplay experiences by NOT releasing another first party developed, 2D platformer. Kill me.
How about Nintendo makes good on their promise to provide new and unique gameplay experiences by NOT releasing another first party developed, 2D platformer. Kill me.
I was definitely disappointed, because I wasn't a huge fan of Donkey Kong Country Returns, even though I was a huge fan of the original Donkey Kong Country. Seriously, the SNES title was one of my most played games. The newer game just didn't feel the same to me.
That being said, I know Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze will be a quality title, and a lot of people liked the first Returns. It's also what Retro wants to do, so more power to them. But it's a disappointment when they were the developer of such a great and innovative title such as Metroid Prime. A lot of that talent has left, so I can understand, though.
That being said, I know Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze will be a quality title, and a lot of people liked the first Returns. It's also what Retro wants to do, so more power to them. But it's a disappointment when they were the developer of such a great and innovative title such as Metroid Prime. A lot of that talent has left, so I can understand, though.
Dixie kong is the most adorable thing I have ever seen with her animations and voice, I need it.
Just months after DKC: Returns came out, Nintendo initially said Retro Studios had no current plans to do a sequel, so that made us figure they will do something different or go back to Metroid. Nintendo could have had one of its own teams handle the sequel, given their expertise in the platformer genre, but Retro was the one who revived the series, it was their best selling game, and they were the one who made the request to want to do a sequel, so Nintendo obviously said do it even though it may not have been the wisest choice. After all, Wii U is already full of platformers, so Retro could have tackled Metroid again, a different franchise spin-off, or something totally new.
Personally, I think Tropical Freeze looks like a lot of fun, and it may even turn out to be better than Returns was. I pretty much like all the new things their doing to the game from the including of the dynamic camera , new enemies, pulling mechanic, underwater areas, and other things like Dixie Kong's comeback, and of course, David Wise's contribution to the soundtrack which I hope is one of the things Retro does a better job with compared to the first game. They need some more stand out, memorable tracks.
The thing with Retro Studios is that they've shown their talent for handling Nintendo's IPs, but it would be interesting to see if they can make something just as compelling if they were to make their own IP. Quite frankly, Nintendo does need to introduce some new blood into its software portfolio, and Retro provides them with an opportunity to make the kind of game Nintendo's other teams may not be compelled to ever do.
Personally, I think Tropical Freeze looks like a lot of fun, and it may even turn out to be better than Returns was. I pretty much like all the new things their doing to the game from the including of the dynamic camera , new enemies, pulling mechanic, underwater areas, and other things like Dixie Kong's comeback, and of course, David Wise's contribution to the soundtrack which I hope is one of the things Retro does a better job with compared to the first game. They need some more stand out, memorable tracks.
The thing with Retro Studios is that they've shown their talent for handling Nintendo's IPs, but it would be interesting to see if they can make something just as compelling if they were to make their own IP. Quite frankly, Nintendo does need to introduce some new blood into its software portfolio, and Retro provides them with an opportunity to make the kind of game Nintendo's other teams may not be compelled to ever do.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee
Actually you'll find that people are annoyed by all the examples you just listed.
I didn't say there weren't, but you don't have several dozen threads about ND's first major PS4 game being 'fucking Uncharted 4' when third-person cinematic shooters are becoming a dime-a-dozen nowadays either. Hence why I said 'same amount', jesus.Originally Posted by KoopaTheCasual
You're joking, right? That happens all the time. It gets shot down by dissenters, but it definitely happens A LOT.
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I certainly want it. Donkey Kong County Returns was awesome and tropical freeze should be great too. :l
How many franchise 2D platformers have Nintendo released on their consoles/portables since NSMB? Way too many, they've milked the genre and themes bone dry. Everyone wanted a new or reboot IP in 3D because it represents an opportunity to create a game with more meat, depth, involvement, and innovation. No one waited 3 years to hop and bop through a DKCR expansion pack, this doesn't need explaining.I've noticed since E3 that people are upset that Retro is making Donkey Kong Country yet again. I understand that people were hoping they'd make something like a new Metroid, Startropics or even Zelda, but Retro seems content making Donkey Kong Country. I also understand it's another platformer being released in a sea of them, but hey, it's predecessor was one of the best on the Wii so what's so bad about getting more of the same?
What confuses me the most about it is that always would hear about how people missed the series after Rare had been bought out. Lots of fans wished (myself included) that Nintendo would bring back Donkey Kong Country. So it confuses me that Retro making a sequel to Returns is unwanted. I feel like It might have a little bit to do with not having a Metroid game in a few years. I think it's just going to take Nintendo time to find the right developer for it, just like it took years for them to find the right one for Donkey Kong again.
What do you think GAF? Are you excited for Tropical Freeze or do you wish Retro made something else? In my opinion, it's my most anticipated Wii U game.
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I just 100%'d DKCR on Dolphin and still want more DK. I'm happy as hell they're working on it.
Maybe there should be!Originally Posted by Astrosanity
I didn't say there weren't., but you don't have several dozen threads about ND's first major PS4 game being 'fucking Uncharted 4' when third-person cinematic shooters are becoming a dime-a-dozen nowadays either.
If X doesn't make in 2014, then your list of mature-themed titles drops to just Bayonetta 2. Given that, which is more important in the grand scheme of things: another 2.5D platformer in the DKCR series, or something else that only Retro could deliver?Originally Posted by Mauricio_Magus
They can take as long as they want, that's the reason I bought a Wii U for.
I want it to be perfect.
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UmAll of this. Yes.
And I think this is the important distinction. I don't think anybody thinks Tropical Freeze is going to be a bad game. But, from a business and tactical perspective, having Retro work on another Donkey Kong game is about the most ill-thought decision Nintendo could have made. It really makes no sense outside of "Well, the other one was a decent seller...Let's spam it!"
Didn't Retro say they wanted to make this one as a result of a ton of ideas they didn't use in Returns?
If they revisit Metroid, I hope they go for something "Vanquish style TPS meets platformer" like what Other M wanted to be [but missed completely]. With a few good concessions, that might lead to a better Metroid experience than even the Prime games were.Originally Posted by KoopaTheCasual
Yea, I want to see if a 2.5D Metroid would work. I'd be really excited to see that. I don't want another FPS Metroid, sorry.
It's not that people don't want Retro to work on Donkey Kong, it's that we just got Donkey Kong and they want something new. Nintendo is sitting on a ton of great, dormant IP's and Retro is famous for breathing new life into Nintendo's classic franchises.
People would probably be a lot happier with this if they made it after making another new game.
People would probably be a lot happier with this if they made it after making another new game.
What if they had ideas left over but couldn't fit them into the previous game? Wouldn't it be better to get a whole new game rather than some DLC?It's doesn't matter if it's a sequel to a hit. It's a character and universe that doesn't need it and as stated before already had it's "15 mins of fame".
If it's good, it's good tho but to many on gaf it's like: "...really?....really"
Are we going to fault EAD for making Galaxy 2? It wasn't an industry event title like the first one after all.
I'm really looking forward to Tropical Freeze but fuck if I wasn't disappointed that they weren't working on something to add some variety to Nintendo's lineup.
The announcement managed to simultaneously disappoint and excite - loved DKCR and will be all over TF, but at the same time 'unnamed Retro game' had kind of built up into this towering mystery prior to E3.
Both DKCTF and NSMBU have A LOT more detail than the previous games.Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee
The graphics aren't even that much better. Sure, the game is running in a higher resolution now. But in terms of the actual assets I'm not seeing a dramatic increase in their quality. It looks a lot like the copy-paste job Nintendo pulled with NSMB Wii -> NSMB Wii U.
I expect they have two teams now and probably most of the staff has moved on to their second project. I expect a handful of people are actually still working on DK, and that the game is for all purposes done.
People shouldn't act so crazy about Retro, give them time. DK is going to be banannas, same as all their other games.
People shouldn't act so crazy about Retro, give them time. DK is going to be banannas, same as all their other games.
Why I think everyone was pissed about Nintendo's E3 showing was people were expecting huge leaps and bounds for Nintendo software like Galaxy for the Wii, except we got four sequels (DK, 3DW, MK & SSB) rather than a different take on these franchises or a revival of an old one. I'm still looking forward to these games, but not as much as I wanted a new Metroid or Galaxy.
Yes yes we all would have loved a new ass metroid, but DK without motion controls is god tier as well.
Your point?Um
Didn't Retro say they wanted to make this one as a result of a ton of ideas they didn't use in Returns?
We're largely discussing why people may or may not consider Retro working on another DK game to be a good move, not whether or not Retro wanted to make a sequel.
Also, I highly doubt that anyone could get Retro to say they didn't want to make another DK game at this stage, even if that was the truth. But there's nothing to back this up, I know.
Retro is Nintendo's only avenue for Western-oriented games since no third-party is going to bother with the Wii U anymore. Another platformer is not really what the Wii U needs.
Plus I hate the DK property as a whole.
Plus I hate the DK property as a whole.
Did you just call him Jesus? Is it true?Originally Posted by Astrosanity
I didn't say there weren't, but you don't have several dozen threads about ND's first major PS4 game being 'fucking Uncharted 4' when third-person cinematic shooters are becoming a dime-a-dozen nowadays either. Hence why I said 'same amount', Jesus.
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