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Gummb · (Today, 07:53 AM)

Originally Posted by antonz

It is a waste of resources from the one studio Nintendo has that can do western style games. Even if they didn't do Metroid they could have done a different Genre of game.

At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.

Retro should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.

What if the developers really wanted to work on the project and Nintendo forced them off of it? Would that have been a better scenario?

Personally, I would have been more excited about a new Metroid Prime, but I played the shit out of DKCR and I will out of this as well. It just feels so good walking around in Retro's environments, they're really all that and a bag of chips.

DragonSworne · (Today, 07:53 AM)

More of the same. Dissapointing.

Tesseract · (Today, 07:53 AM)

Originally Posted by qko

"Seriously Beethoven, was a 9th Fucking Symphony really necessary?"

i know right? wait ...

KoopaTheCasual · (Today, 07:53 AM)

Originally Posted by Azure J

If they revisit Metroid, I hope they go for something "Vanquish style TPS meets platformer" like what Other M wanted to be [but missed completely]. With a few good concessions, that might lead to a better Metroid experience than even the Prime games were.

Yea, that could work. I really liked Prime, but FPS Metroid was really wearing on me. Samus is one of the best designs of all time, imo. It's a shame you barely get to see her suit. TPS could work, if the camera is pulled a little further back, so things like screw attack don't completely blind you.

Astrosanity · (Today, 07:54 AM)

Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee

Maybe there should be!

That doesn't change the fact there really isn't whenever another 1st or 2nd party studio for any of the big 3 is making yet another sequel. People's expectations grew out of control when teases and hints which weren't meant to be teases and hints kept getting emphasized and when the inevitable disappointment hit a perfectly fine game, maybe coming out at the wrong time for the Wii U is continuously getting ripped to shreds.

Hiltz · (Today, 07:54 AM)

Let's hope Miyamoto was right that Retro is capable of handling more than one project nowadays. It goes without saying that we'd like them to pump out 2 more titles before Wii U comes to an end. As we know ,they only did 2 games for Wii along with a port of the two other Metroid Prime games.

TheUnknownForce · 07:58 AM

The issue is that Retro doing effectively DKCR2, and that is one of the underlying issues with Wii U's first party lineup: nearly every game is an iteration of a previously-released Wii or 3DS game. They can be good or the best games ever (see reception of SM3DW), but that does not convince certain people to be interested about the platform...especially since the last platform ended up with dropoffs of support four years in.

Retro making Tropical Freeze is not bad, but in a time when Wii U needs something more than "we got sequels of Wii games in HD" to get more people interested, announcing TF was probably not the best move.

Shaanyboi · 07:57 AM

What if I've never enjoyed Donkey Kong?

Nintendo has an owned western studio, and after three very well-regarded Metroid games with a very unique look and atmosphere among Nintendo's historic titles, they have them working on two SNES throwbacks back-to-back.

Instead of either making a new or different Metroid, or squandering an opportunity for a new IP, we'll have to wait atleast two more years now in HOPE that it's something else.

If this is what Retro wanted to do, I wish them well with it. I don't want to insult the hard work they're probably pouring into this game. I just wanted them to do something more appealing to me.

CaptainGyro · (Today, 07:55 AM)

I want it

Aquamarine · (Today, 07:55 AM)

Personally, I much prefer a Donkey Kong Country Returns sequel than another Metroid game.

I'm quite happy we're getting a sequel to one of my favorite Wii games.

Gummb · 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by royalan

Your point?

We're largely discussing why people may or may not consider Retro working on another DK game to be a good move, not whether or not Retro wanted to make a sequel.

Also, I highly doubt that anyone could get Retro to say they didn't want to make another DK game at this stage, even if that was the truth. But there's nothing to back this up, I know.

We're discussing whether or not we want a DKC game.

I'm excited about a game that the developers are excited to make. If that's part of the equation, then I'll add it to why I want a new DKC game.

themagicalkitsune · (Today, 07:58 AM)

I like Donkey Kong. At this point though I wish there was some DKC Trilogy release, or any way to play them properly in post-SNES consoles. I only managed to snatch the first one in VC before they took em down and I get the general impression that it's the worst one.

Rm88~ · (Today, 07:58 AM)

Probably, likely, more wanted by the market than a new Metroid.

Always-honest · (Today, 07:59 AM)

A sea of platformers? Well, not a great sea to swim in then.

I'm looking forward to Donkey Kong. I also hope they will be working on a metroid.

Tevious · (Today, 07:59 AM)

Every time this gets brought up I keep saying the same thing.

It's only been 3 years since the last Metroid game. And even if you didn't like Other M, it's only been 8 years since Metroid Prime 3. Compare that to the gap between DKC3 and DKCR, which was 14 years. 11 years if you want to count DK64.

DKC deserves a new trilogy at this point. And lets not forget that Retro has a 2nd team now and they probably are working on something else. DKCR definitely had some room for improvement, so I hope Tropical Freeze is the equivalent of DKC2 to DKC1.

IsntChrisL · (Today, 07:59 AM)

At this point it would be nice if Retro was big enough to work on multiple projects at once (didn't Miyamoto say something similar?). I would love to see Retro reinvigorate franchises like DK and Metroid while another team works on original IP.

UNCMark · (Today, 07:59 AM)

I'd prefer a Metroid game. More than half the Wii U games I own are platformers, and the 2 I dont like are 2D platformers. I may just pass on this one. The reason I own multiple consoles is so that I don't have to buy games I don't really want.

Astrosanity · (Today, 08:00 AM)

Originally Posted by TheUnknownForce

Retro making Tropical Freeze is not bad, but in a time when Wii U needs something more than "we got sequels of Wii games in HD" to get more people interested, announcing TF was probably not the best move.

So here's a sequel to Metroid Prime Corruption instead!

Originally Posted by IsntChrisL

At this point it would be nice if Retro was big enough to work on multiple projects at once (didn't Miyamoto say something similar?). I would love to see Retro reinvigorate franchises like DK and Metroid while another team works on original IP.

Part of me feels that really only extends as far as having part of Retro help out with Mario Kart or that DKCR 3DS port. Wouldn't surprise me if along with padding out next year's release schedule the DKCTF delay was also to get Retro to help push MK8 out the door to 'save' (it probably won't at this rate) the Wii U.

CoffeeJanitor · (Today, 08:01 AM)

I want them working on a franchise without recent releases. :(

PushTheButtonMax · 08:13 AM

This thread title and post is an absolutely hilarious response to the announcement, even though I shared the sentiment with my knee-jerk reaction a few posts down.

"Out whenever."

TheUnknownForce · (Today, 08:02 AM)

Originally Posted by Astrosanity

So here's a sequel to Metroid Prime Corruption instead!

I never said I wanted another Metroid Prime. Retro can do other things than Metroid and Donkey Kong. Also, I agree with other posts about genres. I love DKCR, but it might have been better if Tropical Freeze came out when there were not Mario platformers and other platform Nintendo games within months of each other.

Uncle Rupee · (Today, 08:03 AM)

Originally Posted by Tevious

DKC deserves a new trilogy at this point.

Oh god just shoot me already

Tron#1 · (Today, 08:04 AM)

i know they have some of their team working on their next Wii U game.

TheSpaceBetween · (Today, 08:05 AM)

Originally Posted by ArchedThunder

Retro has over 100 employees and someone from Nintendo (can't remember if it was Iwata, Miyamoto, or Reggie) said they are big enough to take on multiple projects. I highly doubt the entire studio is working on a 2D platformer.

No, more like 75. And the President of Retro contradicted what Miyamoto said about being able to handle more than one big project at a time.

Astrosanity · (Today, 08:05 AM)

Originally Posted by TheUnknownForce

I never said I wanted another Metroid Prime. Retro can do other things than Metroid and Donkey Kong. Also, I agree with other posts about genres. I love DKCR, but it might have been better if Tropical Freeze came out when there were not Mario platformers and other platform Nintendo games within months of each other.

It was more just an overall response to the people wishing Retro was specifically doing Metroid again and acting like due to M:OM bombing hard it's an unloved series, despite there being the same length of time between the last major Metroid and the last major DK game so far.

If you look at my first post in this thread you'll see I agree overall with the genre sentiments. Just sucks an otherwise great game is getting caught in the fallout.

fredrancour · (Today, 08:05 AM)

People took it for granted that they'd get some genre diversity out of whatever retro was making. The larger-than-average number of platformers available for the wiiu was already enough for them.

Tevious · (Today, 08:07 AM)

Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee

Oh god just shoot me already

It'll probably happen too. DKCR was a big seller. And I believe I remember hearing that Metroid wasn't.

Nibel · (Today, 08:07 AM)

Kind of fucked up how spoiled we are, being mad at Retro for developing a sequel to one of the best platformers of the last generation

I don't complain about more DK, but Retro has proven from time again and again that they're capable to take on much bigger and risky projects. Personally, I can't help but feel they use DKCR2 to get familiar with the Wii U architecture and are testing waters

We'll get our "big" Retro game, no reason to dismiss DKCR2 though

GavinGT · (Today, 08:07 AM)

Originally Posted by qko

"Seriously Beethoven, was a 9th Fucking Symphony really necessary?"

I was honestly feeling sequel fatigue by number 9. I felt he should have done a reggae album or something at that point.

khaaan · (Today, 08:07 AM)

Originally Posted by Tevious

Every time this gets brought up I keep saying the same thing.

It's only been 3 years since the last Metroid game. And even if you didn't like Other M, it's only been 8 years since Metroid Prime 3. Compare that to the gap between DKC3 and DKCR, which was 14 years. 11 years if you want to count DK64.

DKC deserves a new trilogy at this point. And lets not forget that Retro has a 2nd team now and they probably are working on something else. DKCR definitely had some room for improvement, so I hope Tropical Freeze is the equivalent of DKC2 to DKC1.

Why do you look at the time since the last game was released for Metroid but you look at the biggest gap between releases in Donkey Kong?

antonz · 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Gummb

What if the developers really wanted to work on the project and Nintendo forced them off of it? Would that have been a better scenario?

Personally, I would have been more excited about a new Metroid Prime, but I played the shit out of DKCR and I will out of this as well. It just feels so good walking around in Retro's environments, they're really all that and a bag of chips.

See that is the problem. Retro lost alot of its key talent because Nintendo does get pushy and say you are doing this. Retro for the longest time dreamed of its own projects.

Maybe they have forced out enough of the old Retro to get them to be content with Donkey Kong but that just means we as gamers lose.

Originally Posted by Nibel

Kind of fucked up how spoiled we are, being mad at Retro for developing a sequel to one of the best platformers of the last generation

I don't complain about more DK, but Retro has proven from time again and again that they're capable to take on much bigger and risky projects. Personally, I can't help but feel they use DKCR2 to get familiar with the Wii U architecture and are testing waters

We'll get our "big" Retro game, no reason to dismiss DKCR2 though

The problem is will anyone be left to play it? Skyward Sword was criminally underplayed because by the time it came no one gave a shit about the Wii anymore even among the nintendo faithful. Wii U wishes it could follow in the Wii footsteps instead of the path its on

Mauricio_Magus · (Today, 08:08 AM)

Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee

Maybe there should be!

If X doesn't make in 2014, then your list of mature-themed titles drops to just Bayonetta 2. Given that, which is more important in the grand scheme of things: another 2.5D platformer in the DKCR series, or something else that only Retro could deliver?

I get the point of wanting diversity, but I'm fine with us getting a second DK, they seem to have learned from Returns and it really shows.

After this game I expect Retro to start making a new game of another series(STAR FOX PLEASE)

Randomizer · (Today, 08:08 AM)

DKC Returns is one of the best games of last gen. It is easily the best 2D platformer in a gen that was full of amazing 2D platformers. I am extremely excited for this game, what they've shown so far looks phenomenal.

TheSpaceBetween · (Today, 08:09 AM)

Originally Posted by Hiltz

Just months after DKC: Returns came out, Nintendo initially said Retro Studios had no current plans to do a sequel, so that made us figure they will do something different or go back to Metroid.

That was in April 2011. I don't think they were lying... Retro was working on MK7 at the time.

Anth0ny · (Today, 08:09 AM)

Originally Posted by TheUnknownForce

The issue is that Retro doing effectively DKCR2, and that is one of the underlying issues with Wii U's first party lineup: nearly every game is an iteration of a previously-released Wii or 3DS game. They can be good or the best games ever (see reception of SM3DW), but that does not convince certain people to be interested about the platform...especially since the last platform ended up with dropoffs of support four years in.

Retro making Tropical Freeze is not bad, but in a time when Wii U needs something more than "we got sequels of Wii games in HD" to get more people interested, announcing TF was probably not the best move.

My feelings exactly.

NateDrake · (Today, 08:10 AM)

Originally Posted by Nibel

Kind of fucked up how spoiled we are, being mad at Retro for developing a sequel to one of the best platformers of the last generation

I don't complain about more DK, but Retro has proven from time again and again that they're capable to take on much bigger and risky projects. Personally, I can't help but feel they use DKCR2 to get familiar with the Wii U architecture and are testing waters

We'll get our "big" Retro game, no reason to dismiss DKCR2 though

This. I think many got disappointed that Retro wasn't making something crazy new IP or a new Prime. All the bogus pre-E3 rumors didn't help the situation.

Dog Problems · (Today, 08:11 AM)

Originally Posted by VGChampion

I'm excited. I'm hoping for a third one as well for a new "trilogy". Just wish they were all on one console like the SNES versions.

I'm hoping that if they do a third one there ends up being a collection like they did with the Prime series.

Anyway, I want it as I greatly enjoyed the first one.

Chacranajxy · (Today, 08:11 AM)

I'm excited for the game, and I'm going to buy it on day 1. But that said, I totally understand why people want Retro making a Metroid game instead.

The way I see it: a lot of developers can make a good platformer. Only Retro's been able to make a Metroid Prime.

MrSaturn99 · (Today, 08:11 AM)

For me? Not really. It was one of my favorite games last-gen, so I'm excited to play a sequel.

I'd cross the line at the idea of a second sequel, though. I'd like to see what Retro could do on their own.

QueenOfThorns · (Today, 08:11 AM)

Donkey Kong is just what's best for business. Saleswise Metroid is a B+ player.

Really though I hope DKCR gets at least one more sequel after this before it returns to its slumber. I never got how three Metroid games are fine but if fucking Donkey Kong gets two it's the apocalypse.

TheSpaceBetween · (Today, 08:12 AM)

Originally Posted by LOCK

I expect they have two teams now and probably most of the staff has moved on to their second project. I expect a handful of people are actually still working on DK, and that the game is for all purposes done.

People shouldn't act so crazy about Retro, give them time. DK is going to be banannas, same as all their other games.

Actually, I would be surprised if a large portion of Retro is already at work making sure MK8 will be out by Spring.

equippedwithtowel · (Today, 08:14 AM)

Fuck "mature themes" I'll take a top tier 2D platformer over almost anything else.

Suikoguy · (Today, 08:15 AM)

With the extra time, it could end up being a really polished platformer.

MillionVolts · (Today, 08:16 AM)

DKCR was amazing; I'll gladly play another. I can understand if people wanted something else, but I hope they still give this game a fair shot -- it's gonna be awesome.

theprodigy · (Today, 08:16 AM)

Originally Posted by QueenOfThorns

Donkey Kong is just what's best for business. Saleswise Metroid is a B+ player.

Really though I hope DKCR gets at least one more sequel after this before it returns to its slumber. I never got how three Metroid games are fine but if fucking Donkey Kong gets two it's the apocalypse.

not when you're reaching the same damn audience you already have

KHlover · (Today, 08:16 AM)

Originally Posted by Anth0ny

It's fucking Retro working on fucking Donkey Kong again.

Pretty ironic, considering Retro shat out 3 Metroid games in a row.

TheSpaceBetween · (Today, 08:17 AM)

Originally Posted by Chacranajxy

The way I see it: a lot of developers can make a good platformer. Only Retro's been able to make a Metroid Prime.

Very few can make a GREAT platformer though, and Retro is one of them.

Rlan · (Today, 08:18 AM)

Originally Posted by TheUnknownForce

The issue is that Retro doing effectively DKCR2, and that is one of the underlying issues with Wii U's first party lineup: nearly every game is an iteration of a previously-released Wii or 3DS game. They can be good or the best games ever (see reception of SM3DW), but that does not convince certain people to be interested about the platform...especially since the last platform ended up with dropoffs of support four years in.

Retro making Tropical Freeze is not bad, but in a time when Wii U needs something more than "we got sequels of Wii games in HD" to get more people interested, announcing TF was probably not the best move.

Definitely my sentiment. It's not that I don't want new games in these franchises, but they're clearly using the same assets and engine for a lot of these games, and it's getting eerie.

- Mario 3D World is a direct sequel to Mario 3D Land, a 3DS game.
- The new Kirby 3DS game is clearly using as much from Kirby's Return to Dreamland game as much as possible.
- Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze is a direct sequel to DKC Returns.
- NSMBU was directly using NSMBWii stuff.
- Mario Kart 8 is clearly using assets, animations and ideas from Mario Kart 7.
- Heck, Smash Bros is coming to Wii U and 3DS at the same time!

It feels like Nintendo cheaping out and making direct sequels instead of making new and unique IP that use their new controller to the fullest.

Mr. Fix · (Today, 08:18 AM)

I loved DKCR, and in a way, they're like the EAD of 2D platformers in that they have a ton of ideas they still want to work into coupled with the already established tight controls.

Jason Frost · (Today, 08:18 AM)

Oops sorry, I mixed up between Retro and Rare.