It's like having a talented college grad work in Fast food.
... Sure, they can do a great job at it given they have the drive and discipline to make it through college and fast food is pretty simple work ... plus everyone likes fast food. Buuuuut they can do so much more.
Retro has shown they can do so much more with a game then make good DK 2D platformers. Fan-boys have been calling them "Nintendo's ND" because of the prime series in hope that Nintendo would give them something to work on that could really bring in the "Western Gaming" feel that you see with ND and such to their console of choice.
But no, they gave them DK and of course they did a great job pumping new life into a series that's had it's "15mins of fame" ... and of course it was a hit. But instead of bouncing off of that and making something NEW and BIG and UNIQUE either they or Nintendo or both decided they wanted to ride this DK train.
Hopefully they get enough money to break into 2 teams one day ...
If the game is as good as the Wii one, I'M IN!
I hope Retro has introduced new gameplay mechanics, though.
I hope Retro has introduced new gameplay mechanics, though.
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:24 AM)
of course im pissed we ned moar hardcore shootbangs
WHERE ARE MY HARDCORE SHOOTBANGZ, NINTY
WHERE ARE MY HARDCORE SHOOTBANGZ, NINTY
I bet half the people complaining about it don't even have an intention of ever purchasing a Wii U. It's one of the first party games I'm most looking forward too. Played great at PAX. Go Retro!
platformers had a great boom last gen and now it seems it's simmering down some again. but i'm glad the vita, wii u, and 3ds are around to keep them in the limelight. it's my favorite genre and the more's the merrier as far as i'm concerned.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
Platformers, get your platformers here. Step right up. Wii U has them by the dozen!
i'm glad that tropical freeze is getting made now that it doesn't have the waggle, the level design is more interesting, and they even got david wise back. i'm not sure what else retro could do to make me interested in a game they're making of any franchise in any genre.
Metroid Prime pretty much made the Gamecube and Wii for me. While i have nothing against Donkey Kong, when they said "Something everyone wants us to work on" i just hoped it was Metroid dread or something and it was a let down for me when it turned out to be Tropical freeze.
A new Metroid game, or just something completely new from Retro would have made me buy a Wii U easily.
A new Metroid game, or just something completely new from Retro would have made me buy a Wii U easily.
I hope you would have said this if they made another Prime because they made a bunch of them and the last one wasn't up to the standards of the first two.Originally Posted by Black-Wind
But no, they gave them DK and of course they did a great job pumping new life into a series that's had it's "15mins of fame" ... and of course it was a hit. But instead of bouncing off of that and making something NEW and BIG and UNIQUE either they or Nintendo or both decided they wanted to ride this DK train.
I've never been a fan of Donkey Kong Country (or 2d platformers as a whole), so didn't want it. Maybe it's because I didn't play it as a kid? :P
Would have much rather seen Prime 4 on the Wii U.
Would have much rather seen Prime 4 on the Wii U.
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:27 AM)
They never said that though :(Metroid Prime pretty much made the Gamecube and Wii for me. While i have nothing against Donkey Kong, when they said "Something everyone wants us to work on" i just hoped it was Metroid dread or something and it was a let down for me when it turned out to be Tropical freeze.
A new Metroid game, or just something completely new from Retro would have made me buy a Wii U easily.
Personally, it isn't nearly interesting.
I feel like you could ask any developer to make a sequel to DKCR and Tropical Freeze would result.
It represents the worst aspects of Nintendo games by doing nothing noteworthy or commendable, but choosing to play it safe.
It could absolutely be a Wii game.
Just bland. And I liked DKCR, but I've played that already. Time for something new on a new console.
I feel like you could ask any developer to make a sequel to DKCR and Tropical Freeze would result.
It represents the worst aspects of Nintendo games by doing nothing noteworthy or commendable, but choosing to play it safe.
It could absolutely be a Wii game.
Just bland. And I liked DKCR, but I've played that already. Time for something new on a new console.
I'd have rather had something else considering we already have some really good platformers. I'll buy ok anyway though as I'm sure it will be great, just would have been even better to have something in Feb that helped round out the current Wii U catalog.
I have this feeling that the game could suffer. I hope N has a lot of good things planned for the future.
I'm with you OP! DKCR was without a doubt the best non-indie 2D platformer of the last generation
Of course I'm excited for a sequel! :D
Of course I'm excited for a sequel! :D
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:31 AM)
I liked DKCR, I'm looking forward to Tropical Freeze, and I'll probably even get it on day one. But it isn't really what I wanted to see Retro working on. I was actually hoping that they were working on something new, and something you wouldn't expect to get out of EAD, etc. Not necessarily some kind of shooter, just something "different."
For example, a western counterpart to Xenoblade/X would have been neat. Not sure Retro is the studio for that but that's just one idea.
For example, a western counterpart to Xenoblade/X would have been neat. Not sure Retro is the studio for that but that's just one idea.
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:35 AM)
IMO Nintendo's direction with the Wii caused a few of their IPs to suffer from being more "casual friendly". Like Brawl and Prime for example.Originally Posted by TheGreatMightyPoo
I hope you would have said this if they made another Prime because they made a bunch of them and the last one wasn't up to the standards of the first two.
If I had to pick between a 4th Prime and Other M I would say sure, let them ride the prime train. But I would prefer they do something you can't really do in prime. A something with melee and 3rd person and many characters interacting ... something like how I envision that Shiek game would be. Something you wouldn't expect from Nintendo, something you could point at and say "Nintendo's answer to ____" so that they could give their fans a new experience and show that their console can support w/e type of game it is.
Because it's more of the same, duh. I don't like more of the same.so what's so bad about getting more of the same?
In addition, after consolidating everything into Japan, Retro is the one western studio that Nintendo has that could do something differently, being in touch with the rest of the world. And what do they do? They create the next installment in the one genre Nintendo Japan has fully covered.
But platformers RULE! You can never have enough platformers!Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
Platformers, get your platformers here. Step right up. Wii U has them by the dozen!
What would have you liked Retro to do instead?Because it's more of the same, duh. I don't like more of the same.
In addition, after consolidating everything into Japan, Retro is the one western studio that Nintendo has that could do something differently, being in touch with the rest of the world. And what do they do? They create the next installment in the one genre Nintendo Japan has fully covered.
Personally Prime 2 is my favorite, however it might have gone a bit too far with the backtracking.Echoes also wasn't up to the standard of Prime 1.
Well its the quote "A project everyone wants us to do" Comes up quite frequently when searched for. I have no idea where it is from though.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
They never said that though :(
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ing-wii-2-game
I don't remember the sales argument being used this way to justify Nintendo working on Nintendogs and Wii Fit.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
*millions line up for latest COD*
It sucks that people use it when all it means is "make the game I want, or it won't sell." Your opinion doesn't weigh more than mine because of sales, it's a cheap argument that only drives away the pro-camp, rather than encourage healthy discussion.
What?Originally Posted by TheGreatMightyPoo
I'm glad you agree that what you said was preposterous.
You've just conflated 3D World and Tropical Freeze as the same game. But 3D World, if only for the addition of 4-Player CO-OP, isn't comparable.
I don't get your point. 3D World does much more as a sequel, and couldn't exist as it does on the 3DS.
I loved DK on Wii and can't wait to play Tropical within few months.
I just hope that N will let Retro work also on something else for Wii U, possibly not in the 2d platforming area
I just hope that N will let Retro work also on something else for Wii U, possibly not in the 2d platforming area
We've had nsmbu nslu and super Mario 3d world un the space of a year. Thats plenty of Nintendo platform games. Its not exactly a genre that the Wii u is lacking given that we'll probably get dk and yoshi next year.
True Nintendo diversity.
These two posts sum up how I feel. Not to mention the ridiculous theories people where making about what special surprise game Retro could be working on and then the meltdowns when it was revealed to be DK just highlighted the disappointment even more. I mean the thread title when it was announced was something like "Retro is working on fucking DK" and that stayed up there iirc.It is a waste of resources from the one studio Nintendo has that can do western style games. Even if they didn't do Metroid they could have done a different Genre of game.
At this point practically half the library of the Wii U is platformers. Yes we know that platformers tend to sell better on Nintendo hardware hence why they show up there but when you put out so many in such a short time you drive people off.
Retro should have been working on something fresh that could introduce a rarely used genre not yet another platformer and stupidly enough not another Donkey Kong right after porting the last to handhelds. The franchise isn't that popular to be releasing so much so soon.
You should have said then you had tech on your mind and nothing else.What?
You've just conflated 3D World and Tropical Freeze as the same game. But 3D World, if only for the addition of 4-Player CO-OP, isn't comparable.
I don't get your point. 3D World does much more as a sequel, and couldn't exist as it does on the 3DS.
As...I don't think about that first and foremost when I think about platformers...especially what separates the best ones from the rest.
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:45 AM)
Everything is about balance. Hell, at least Nintendogs and Wii Fit were radically different games. They turned out to be huge successes. Great. but putting out platformer after platformer is a terrible strategy. You have to balance out your library.I don't remember the sales argument being used this way to justify Nintendo working on Nintendogs and Wii Fit.
It sucks that people use it when all it means is "make the game I want, or it won't sell." Your opinion doesn't weigh more than mine because of sales, it's a cheap argument that only drives away the pro-camp, rather than encourage healthy discussion.
Or not and live with the results, like they are doing with the Wii U. Remember, it needs a massive turn around to match Gamecube numbers which is considered a miserable and absolute failure by Nintendo.
Didn't Retro say something to the effect that they wanted to do DKC: Tropical Freeze, having had many new ideas after doing Returns? (Like EAD Tokyo when they did Galaxy 2.) Nintendo didn't make them do anything.I loved DK on Wii and can't wait to play Tropical within few months.
I just hope that N will let Retro work also on something else for Wii U, possibly not in the 2d platforming area
They did but people didn't believe them because it didn't suit their agenda.Didn't Retro say something to the effect that they wanted to do DKC: Tropical Freeze, having had many new ideas after doing Returns? (Like EAD Tokyo when they did Galaxy 2.) Nintendo didn't make them do anything.
If you're making the argument about how DKCTF's a bad idea financially, a Metroid Prime 4 is an even worse idea going off how the trilogy sold in comparison to one DKCR.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
*millions line up for latest COD*
Besides a new franchise depending on what it was (which I've repeatedly stated was what I wanted to see from Retro over another DKC), I don't think anything concerning a pre-existing Nintendo IP would be leading to big sales hit for the Wii U. At least there's a precedence for DKC.
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:49 AM)
Or we do believe them and think it was a stupid idea.Originally Posted by TheGreatMightyPoo
They did but people didn't believe them because it didn't suit their agenda.
Well in that case DKCTF is the best possible game Retro could be working on. I can't wait to see #3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. I hope they never do anything different. Nintendo needs lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of platformers.Originally Posted by Astrosanity
If you're making the argument about how DKCTF's a bad idea financially, a Metroid Prime 4 is an even worse idea going off how the trilogy sold in comparison to one DKCR.
Besides a new franchise depending on what it was (which I've repeatedly stated was what I wanted to see from Retro over another DKC), I don't think anything concerning a pre-existing Nintendo IP would be leading to big sales hit for the Wii U. At least there's a precedence for DKC.
has it been mentioned already that no one that worked in Metroid Prime is at Retro nowadays? people keep repeating how Retro made mp1 but all the staff behind that game is gone from Retro. there's very little people left that worked in the sequels.
while mp2 was kind of polarizing in reception (people either liked or hated it. imo it was better than mp1), mp3 turned to be the weakest entry and was going in a bad direction (super linear and too much action focus).
if anything, Retro should be making a new IP but, since Nintendo is the one making the decisions, a new IP that caters to the west is very unlikely from them.
also, this:
and, while DKCR was just okay imo, most of the problem was the controls. now that there's non-motion controls and the devs are more comfortable with the style, DKCTF could end up better than DKCR (mp2 was better than mp1 in several ways. that game suffered from a rushed schedule)
while mp2 was kind of polarizing in reception (people either liked or hated it. imo it was better than mp1), mp3 turned to be the weakest entry and was going in a bad direction (super linear and too much action focus).
if anything, Retro should be making a new IP but, since Nintendo is the one making the decisions, a new IP that caters to the west is very unlikely from them.
also, this:
and, while DKCR was just okay imo, most of the problem was the controls. now that there's non-motion controls and the devs are more comfortable with the style, DKCTF could end up better than DKCR (mp2 was better than mp1 in several ways. that game suffered from a rushed schedule)
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I wanted it from day one.
Problem with that chart is Tropical Freeze will be lucky to do Metroid Prime level sales because they have driven the Wii U into the ground by making a library almost entirely made out of the same genre.has it been mentioned already that no one that worked in Metroid Prime is at Retro nowadays? people keep repeating how Retro made mp1 but all the staff behind that game is gone from Retro. there's very little people left that worked in the sequels.
while mp2 was kind of polarizing in reception (people either liked or hated it. imo it was better than mp1), mp3 turned to be the weakest entry and was going in a bad direction (super linear and too much action focus).
if anything, Retro should be making a new IP but, since Nintendo is the one making the decisions, a new IP that caters to the west is very unlikely from them.
also, this:
As screwed up as the gamecube was it had diversity
I recently went to my friends house to check out his wii. I was generally impressed. It was larger than I expected though.
(Today, 09:53 AM)
I'm sure that if they aren't working on a 2D platformer, then the end result would be utter trash. That's how game development works.Originally Posted by TheGreatMightyPoo
My goodness gracious, they should have done something then to fill their wallets though and ignored their passion!!!
That'd really result in a topnotch product, something contrived and forced.
Should be noted that the MP1 guys made a port of Injustice on Vita and Batman Origins Blackgate (the handheld spinoff that got 4s and 5s out of 10)has it been mentioned already that no one that worked in Metroid Prime is at Retro nowadays? people keep repeating how Retro made mp1 but all the staff behind that game is gone from Retro. there's very little people left that worked in the sequels.
while mp2 was kind of polarizing in reception (people either liked or hated it. imo it was better than mp1), mp3 turned to be the weakest entry and was going in a bad direction (super linear and too much action focus).
if anything, Retro should be making a new IP but, since Nintendo is the one making the decisions, a new IP that caters to the west is very unlikely from them.
also, this:
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You were the one who brought up probable weak sales (which at this point barring a new IP it'll get regardless because Wii U lol) in relation to why DKCTF was a bad idea, not me. I just pointed out it's a dumb argument when the alternative Nintendo IP's they could have been working on would have bombed even harder, going off how they historically performed on far more popular hardware.Originally Posted by Log4Girlz
Well in that case DKCTF is the best possible game Retro could be working on. I can't wait to see #3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. I hope they never do anything different. Nintendo needs lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of platformers.
So you are bringing up the Wii U selling terribly because of lack of diversity and countering it with a console that you think had it that sold terribly???Problem with that chart is Tropical Freeze will be lucky to do Metroid Prime level sales because they have driven the Wii U into the ground by making a library almost entirely made out of the same genre.
As screwed up as the gamecube was it had diversity
Tech? What?Originally Posted by TheGreatMightyPoo
You should have said then you had tech on your mind and nothing else.
As...I don't think about that first and foremost when I think about platformers...especially what separates the best ones from the rest.
I'm not convinced you read any of my posts. Or you aren't trying to understand what I am saying.
Nevermind. I still think that TF is uninspired, and just a safe sequel based on what I have seen. Unlike 3D World. And not a game that justifies the hardware.
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