is it really fair to compare a $170 handheld with $400-500 smartphones?
the smartphones are going to have better hardware quality no matter how you look at it.
now, if the 3DS was $250 like at launch, then that'd be bad since that's a high price bracket and it demands better build quality.
I don't understand why demos have a limited number of uses.
Bought the Fire Emblem Blue one.
Not that happy with the system itself. Just can't get into it and it's uncomfortable to play with for me.
Not that happy with the system itself. Just can't get into it and it's uncomfortable to play with for me.
Same as Op. My wife has a brand new one. I wouldn't touch it no matter what games is on it and I loooove Mh.
Not a hardcore 3DS player, but I think it's quite good. The only thing I was disappointed in recently was the lack of 3D and poor graphics in Pokémon X and Y. I know graphics aren't everything, but the 3D Pokémon models are infinitely uglier than the old sprites. Hopefully they can release a true 3DS Pokémon game, as while X and Y are really good, they were nowhere near as good as they could have been, which is quite disappointing. Resident Evil and Monster Hunter on the 3DS look 2 generations ahead of it and are doing so much more.
Game prices are quite fair on the 3DS. Paid $44 for 'Y' when it first came out, as opposed to the GBA ones costing $70 or $60 as a one week promotional offer. The 3DS offers more enjoyment per hour than a lot of home console games and they are much cheaper and they are portable. I really like it and think it is the best handheld since the GBA SP.
Game prices are quite fair on the 3DS. Paid $44 for 'Y' when it first came out, as opposed to the GBA ones costing $70 or $60 as a one week promotional offer. The 3DS offers more enjoyment per hour than a lot of home console games and they are much cheaper and they are portable. I really like it and think it is the best handheld since the GBA SP.
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My guess is that Nintendo is very attuned to the K-12 audience, kids will play demos hundreds of times, and if they allowed multiple systems to play downloaded games like Microsoft and Sony do it would hurt them much more with all the kids on the playground sharing games with each other. Which is one reason they don't have an account system for game verification, doing that requires either that you be logged into the internet all the time, or else allow multiple systems to play the same game, and they just aren't willing to lose those potential sales from kids sharing.I don't understand why demos have a limited number of uses.
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Yep, 3DS is not a good hardware. But guess what, it's one with games. So that pretty much solves the issue.
Agree with OP. After owning DS lite for years I was so hyped about getting 3DS, finally got it two months ago and... it seems like a real dissapoint. Console parts feels really... strange, I don't know. DS lite was much more comfortable to hold. Maybe that was fixed in 3DS XL.
Games are somewhat good though.
Games are somewhat good though.
Every model of 3DS is a huge step up from the atrocious screen and buttons on the DS Lite.Originally Posted by GoodMorningPluto
Agree with OP. After owning DS lite for years I was so hyped about getting 3DS, finally got it two months ago and... it seems like a real dissapoint. Console parts feels really... strange, I don't know. DS lite was much more comfortable to hold. Maybe that was fixed in 3DS XL.
Games are somewhat good though.
only thing I have disliked about it is that the place my fingers rest on the back is too flexible and I feel like I'm crushing the innards of the handheld when I grip it.
I've avidly avoided the eShop, will inevitably venture there to get Phoenix Wright but that will be some time later
I've avidly avoided the eShop, will inevitably venture there to get Phoenix Wright but that will be some time later
Pretty much this.The games are fun, though.
Yes the OS isn't that great (although it's quite the improvement over the DS's barebones OS), and yes Nintendo has made some archaic decisions with the eShop, but it can all be easily overlooked given the wealth of compelling games on the platform.
Also OP you might be interested in the original 3DS if you're unhappy with the XL's screen. I greatly prefer my original screen - it's so sharp
Pointing out the fact the 3DS actually has games to play is a valid point, though. I mean, we get portable game players to play games, right?It seems like people just can't accept criticism of the 3DS with about 3 fucking million 'it's the games!' replies.
As a platform agnostic PC gamer, I wanted to invest in a portable gaming system earlier this year and was truly open to both systems. My initial thoughts were I would be swayed to the 3DS because I grew up with Nintendo consoles and consoles and am very fond of their games.
In the end I could not in good conscience buy a 3DS. It failed in so many areas that the Vita excels in, the value proposition was awful.
The region locking, no account system, expensive as hell eShop (Australia getting fucked occurs on PSN too, but at least it's dead easy to use the US store), poor pixel density and archaic OS and online infrastructure were each individual deal breakers, let alone all of them simultaneously.
I speak purely from value proposition. If I had more disposable income this wouldn't be an issue for me and I'd have a 3DS and be enjoying it's spectacular library.
I just wanted to add this to rebuke those who only ever say 'it's about the games'.
But hey, people can spend their money however they want. More power to you. :)
I'm usually so absorbed by the games I'm playing on it that I don't notice or are irritated by it's hardware/system flaws. I spend so little time doing anything else but games on it I guess. It does have some flaws though, I acknowledge that. The most irritating one is the region lock IMO.
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I don't know, I have to say I'm very happy with it, the games are so amazing that I don't really care much for all the nuances
I've had the most fun with 3DS games than anything else the past few years. I'm all about the games, which 3DS most definitely has.
Dem games
At tehend of the day, the Vita has hardly anything even decent to play on it and the 3DS ha a lot of great games to play on it. I am a PC dude through and through, the current state of consoles is laughably bad but I do whip out that 3DS quite often. I'm gonna let you slide though since we used to play Monster Hunter Tri together :DIt seems like people just can't accept criticism of the 3DS with about 3 fucking million 'it's the games!' replies.
As a platform agnostic PC gamer, I wanted to invest in a portable gaming system earlier this year and was truly open to both systems. My initial thoughts were I would be swayed to the 3DS because I grew up with Nintendo consoles and consoles and am very fond of their games.
In the end I could not in good conscience buy a 3DS. It failed in so many areas that the Vita excels in, the value proposition was awful.
The region locking, no account system, expensive as hell eShop (Australia getting fucked occurs on PSN too, but at least it's dead easy to use the US store), poor pixel density and archaic OS and online infrastructure were each individual deal breakers, let alone all of them simultaneously.
I speak purely from value proposition. If I had more disposable income this wouldn't be an issue for me and I'd have a 3DS and be enjoying it's spectacular library.
I just wanted to add this to rebuke those who only ever say 'it's about the games'.
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Yep I don't want to give Nintendo a pass for the shit hardware they put out, but at the prices they are selling at it is fine for the great games library from Nintendo and a few others. 240p in 2013 is so outdated though, I'll be looking forward to my high def Nintendo portable in a few years.
I'm just wondering right now - am I the only person that really loves the 3DS's tiles system? Seriously is something I really love a lot.
More like you had to wait 40 minutes to be seated, got a rude waiter, and the utensils had dirt and lipstick on them.Originally Posted by Kageshinzo
This rant is like ordering a perfectly grilled authentic Kobe wagyu steak with grade A foie gras on the side, and then complaining and declaring the whole dining experience awful because the utensils used are not pure silver.
Have you... Not been keeping up with Nintendo lately?
All I'll say is, between the 2DS and 3DS XL, I am amazed at Nintendos sheer ignorance of design when it comes to the XL... The 2DS is so hot. The XL is so... Not.
All I'll say is, between the 2DS and 3DS XL, I am amazed at Nintendos sheer ignorance of design when it comes to the XL... The 2DS is so hot. The XL is so... Not.
Super Mario 3D LandHmm. I couldn't name 5 'good' 3DS titles myself.
Pokemon X/Y
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon
The Legend of Zela: ALBW
The Legend of Zelda: OoT 3D
Resident Evil: Revelations
Kid Icarus: Uprising
Mario Kart 7
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies
Project X Zone
Tales of the Abyss
Kingdom Hearts: 3D
And those are just things I want that are currently out now.
But now's your cue to say "I don't like those games though".
Lolwut. I get the games off shelf, put in the cart, then enjoy the damn game. But then again, I think you're missing the whole analogy anyway.More like you had to wait 40 minutes to be seated, got a rude waiter, and the utensils had dirt and lipstick on them.
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His head smashed in and his heart cut out and his liver removed and his bowels unplugged and his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off and his penis...
(Today, 10:01 AM)
It wouldn't surprise me if the next one was 640x480 or something similar. They're always behind the curve and next time I suspect they'll be extremely price conscious.Originally Posted by metalslimer
Yep I don't want to give Nintendo a pass for the shit hardware they put out, but at the prices they are selling at it is fine for the great games library from Nintendo and a few others. 240p in 2013 is so outdated though, I'll be looking forward to my high def Nintendo portable in a few years.
Unfortunately, every time I mess around with a friend's Vita or a sample at a GameStop I do feel a bit of regret that 3DS has the games that I want, while the only thing I want from Vita is Persona 4 Golden. It really is a fantastic piece of hardware.
There's just nothing to do on it.
There's a good reason why people fall back to the "it's all about the games" defense. Why else would one buy a game system? To watch TV? Take photos? Hell no. It's to play games. And there's just one game I want to play on Vita, compared to 3DS/DS library.
There's just nothing to do on it.
There's a good reason why people fall back to the "it's all about the games" defense. Why else would one buy a game system? To watch TV? Take photos? Hell no. It's to play games. And there's just one game I want to play on Vita, compared to 3DS/DS library.
It will honestly probably cost them more to produce that screen than a 720p screen by 2016. The only reason the 3DS is even 240p is because they went with the shitty 3D screen and luckily since that tech seems to have reached a dead end and I don't know any company that is still invested in glassless 3d portable screen they will have to choose an at worst qHD screen.Originally Posted by SmokyDave
It wouldn't surprise me if the next one was 640x480 or something similar. They're always behind the curve and next time I suspect they'll be extremely price conscious.
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Because every decision in Nintendo is dictated by never satiated greed.I don't understand why demos have a limited number of uses.
The sheer idea of customer getting never ending endless fun without paying from demo is scaring Iwata totaly.
Every minute you play in demo is minute you weren't playing another 40$ never dropping in price Mario game.
I really dislike the floppy hinge on the 3DS XL, but other than that I think it's great.
Not defending Nintendo's decision but isn't it the third parties that put the extreme limits like 5 and 10 on their demos?
I've really basically given up on Nintendo putting out cutting-edge hardware tech. I think they just want to make the cheapest hardware they can that will still be capable of the games they want to put out. I personally think this may just be Nintendo being cautious and not wanting to spend more than they have to. Unlike Microsoft and Sony, video gaming is their bread and butter. If they miscalculate (spending too much on HW and then have it end up tanking) they will take the brunt of the loss, without any other buffer to fall back on. This whole Wii U thing may be hurting them more than what we think.Originally Posted by SmokyDave
It wouldn't surprise me if the next one was 640x480 or something similar. They're always behind the curve and next time I suspect they'll be extremely price conscious.
I feel you, OP. I fell to the hype and bought one and everytime I boot it up I'm amazed about how such a poor hardware has so much success.
Each to their own, but I'm somewhat of the same mind as the OP. I've had a Vita for the last two years, and this summer I got a 3DS XL on a nice deal. It's mostly been collecting dust since. I know there are games which I'm sure I'd enjoy a lot if I played them - e.g. I've got Luigi's Mansion and MH3U lying around - but the whole 3DS package with the bad UI, cheap feel to the hardware, inferior controls etc just push me into instead exploring the games I think I'd enjoy a lot on the Vita (of which there are too many anyway). Maybe someday I'll get around properly to my 3DS.
You should buy a Vita then and talk more about you know...games.
The fact that Nintendo put any limit at all is what's baffling. They seriously seem to think that giving people unlimited demos is going to lower their sales or something.Not defending Nintendo's decision but isn't it the third parties that put the extreme limits like 5 and 10 on their demos?
That's always been the Nintendo way before they even made consoles. Making a product as good as but cheaper than the competition. And by as good I mean does a similar job to before this turns into a spec comparison.Originally Posted by Kageshinzo
I've really basically given up on Nintendo putting out cutting-edge hardware tech.
Who boots up a handheld anymore? Sleep mode if where it's at. I hardly ever see the homescreen these days.I feel you, OP. I fell to the hype and bought one and everytime I boot it up I'm amazed about how such a poor hardware has so much success.
My Vita is getting a shitload more use than my 3DS at the moment. Just the form factor of the Vita alone absolutely destroys the 3DS.
Should have got a Vita.
5? Are you fucking kidding me?Hmm. I couldn't name 5 'good' 3DS titles myself.
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Shin Megami Tensei 4
Bravely Default
Etrian Odyssey 4
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Animal Crossing
Pokemon
7 amazing games that are better than almost anything that came out anywhere else this year, and I'm not even mentioning about 20 other great titles that came out before. I'm probably missing more but that should prove my point.
I can certainly agree with this (well not the more use part as I don't have a vita). I haven't felt the 2DS yet, but it's been a long time since Nintendo put out a comfortable to hold handheld.I don't know if it's the clamshelld being this uncomfortable but whatever they do they need to fix this in a revision or by their next handheld. Maybe a curved clamshell?My Vita is getting a shitload more use than my 3DS at the moment. Just the form factor of the Vita alone absolutely destroys the 3DS.
I agree that the ergonomics are terrible, I'm hoping they release a 3DS TV that lets you use the Gamepad as the bottom half of the 3DS.
I've actually been pleasantly surprised by my 3DS. I've only played 3D Land and Link Between Worlds so far, but both games have been totes fun. The only downside is that there are only three or four more games I want to play, total.
I never play mine. I think 3D Land and Spirit Camera are the only games I've really, really enjoyed. Fire Emblem too, I guess.
Suddenly your list looks a lot smaller.
Let's say I don't like JRPGs.Originally Posted by Mauricio_Magus
5? Are you fucking kidding me?
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Shin Megami Tensei 4
Bravely Default
Etrian Odyssey 4
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Animal Crossing
Pokemon
7 amazing games that are better than almost anything that came out anywhere else this year, and I'm not even mentioning about 20 other great titles that came out before. I'm probably missing more but that should prove my point.
Suddenly your list looks a lot smaller.
'Amazing' is a bit of a stretch don't you think?Originally Posted by Mauricio_Magus
5? Are you fucking kidding me?
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Shin Megami Tensei 4
Bravely Default
Etrian Odyssey 4
Fire Emblem: Awakening
Animal Crossing
Pokemon
7 amazing games that are better than almost anything that came out anywhere else this year, and I'm not even mentioning about 20 other great titles that came out before. I'm probably missing more but that should prove my point.
Hardware and Software(Not the games mind you) on the 3DS are simply terrible, its so ancient that it baffles me sometimes.
The multitasking is okay i guess if you are not used to anything, but compared to the Vita it feels ancient. Having to close a game to check the eShop or settings, its just really annoying. If it can run the browser as a secondary app, why cant it do settings or the eShop?
The worst offender is probably the eShop. Forget to turn on WiFi before going into it? get a weird error telling you to close the app, turn on WiFi and then start the app again. Its weird as hell. Then once you get into the store its almost impossible to freely browse the selection, if you dont know what you are looking for you, you wont find it easily. Lack of account system and the fact that Nintendo doesnt price competitively also are a giant turn off for me.
If somehow the 3DS and Vita had the same games, i could not see why anyone would want the 3DS.
The multitasking is okay i guess if you are not used to anything, but compared to the Vita it feels ancient. Having to close a game to check the eShop or settings, its just really annoying. If it can run the browser as a secondary app, why cant it do settings or the eShop?
The worst offender is probably the eShop. Forget to turn on WiFi before going into it? get a weird error telling you to close the app, turn on WiFi and then start the app again. Its weird as hell. Then once you get into the store its almost impossible to freely browse the selection, if you dont know what you are looking for you, you wont find it easily. Lack of account system and the fact that Nintendo doesnt price competitively also are a giant turn off for me.
If somehow the 3DS and Vita had the same games, i could not see why anyone would want the 3DS.
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I don't see how I'm missing it. OP complained about it being slow, having poor services, the quality of the hardware, and lots of other little buzzkills like region lock and batt life. Dining at our hypothetical restaurant would bum me out, overall.Originally Posted by Kageshinzo
Lolwut. I get the games off shelf, put in the cart, then enjoy the damn game. But then again, I think you're missing the whole analogy anyway.
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unless you REALLY dislike some games for whatever reason, you should search more. There's a lot of titles out there for any kind of gamer.Originally Posted by Trent Strong
I've actually been pleasantly surprised by my 3DS. I've only played 3D Land and Link Between Worlds so far, but both games have been totes fun. The only downside is that there are only three or four more games I want to play, total.
which of those games isn't amazing? I think those games are at the top of their game. I'm really surprised about the titles I mentioned, I don't use the word "amazing" lightly, this might be the best year the 3ds will see.'Amazing' is a bit of a stretch don't you think?
Even if Pokemon could have had a better frame-rate.
3DS is all about japanese games, so it should be expected to be crowded by JRPG's.I never play mine. I think 3D Land and Spirit Camera are the only games I've really, really enjoyed. Fire Emblem too, I guess.
Let's say I don't like JRPGs.
Suddenly your list looks a lot smaller.
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