Originally Posted by SmokyDave
I'm just going to assume that we approach 'good graphics' from wildly different directions. I suspect you're one of those cats that could hold a straight face whilst saying that some SNES games look better than PS4 games. Fair enough, I can't argue with the 'art style over all else' viewpoint.
Install base size doesn't explain why niche games that can be shared between the two of them, aren't. Especially when the Vita has it's own niche beat 'em up (Dragon's Crown) that probably sold better too.Because the 3DS has a much larger install base, in part because it costs less, which in part comes from the hardware not being as advanced as the Vita.
These things are all related. It's not like Nintendo couldn't make a more powerful portable. The fact that Nintendo portables aren't too expensive is a large part of the reason they have the libraries they do.
That's why it doesn't make sense to say "the hardware is bad but the software is good", or to say the reverse for Vita. Part of the reason Vita software is bad is that it costs too much, nobody bought it, so nobody makes games for it. People act like creating more powerful takes some sort of incredible skill - it doesn't. It's a business decision with a lot of factors involved.
Aren't too expensive... was $250 at launch, which was in my post. It may not be now, but it certainly was originally.Because the 3DS has a much larger install base, in part because it costs less, which in part comes from the hardware not being as advanced as the Vita.
These things are all related. It's not like Nintendo couldn't make a more powerful portable. The fact that Nintendo portables aren't too expensive is a large part of the reason they have the libraries they do.
That's why it doesn't make sense to say "the hardware is bad but the software is good", or to say the reverse for Vita. Part of the reason Vita software is bad is that it costs too much, nobody bought it, so nobody makes games for it. People act like creating more powerful takes some sort of incredible skill - it doesn't. It's a business decision with a lot of factors involved.
Addressed it well enough or me. Niche content may as well be on both. Vita is a haven for niche developers, since there's tons of niche fans who own it.Install base size doesn't explain why niche games that can be shared between the two of them, aren't. Especially when the Vita has it's own niche beat 'em up (Dragon's Crown) that probably sold better too.
You said that you felt games on 'previous hardware' looked better than Killzone Mercenaries, which I described as the best looking handheld game ever. Presumably you're talking about a DS or PSP game. I honestly don't know what to say to that.Originally Posted by GhostTrick
You suspect really bad.
Um, it isn't. Quantity, sure. Quality? Nope....Part of the reason Vita software is bad...
Wishful thinking. If it's about getting the best hardware and OS for Nintendo games, they can certainly do a lot better than the Vita.Originally Posted by Jakoozie89
The 3DSs hardware is fine, and the OS is also completely usable. But I can't help imagine what Nintendo could do with the Vita's hardware, and how good the games would look.
Vita hardware and OS + Nintendo games = HEAVEN
Not to start another debate on whether or nor Nintendo should become a software only company, but god, it would be so great for us gamers.
Vita has a ton of exclusive niche games, ya know.Install base size doesn't explain why niche games that can be shared between the two of them, aren't. Especially when the Vita has it's own niche beat 'em up (Dragon's Crown) that probably sold better too.
The Vita has more good games than the 3DS.Because the 3DS has a much larger install base, in part because it costs less, which in part comes from the hardware not being as advanced as the Vita.
These things are all related. It's not like Nintendo couldn't make a more powerful portable. The fact that Nintendo portables aren't too expensive is a large part of the reason they have the libraries they do.
That's why it doesn't make sense to say "the hardware is bad but the software is good", or to say the reverse for Vita. Part of the reason Vita software is bad is that it costs too much, nobody bought it, so nobody makes games for it. People act like creating more powerful takes some sort of incredible skill - it doesn't. It's a business decision with a lot of factors involved.
Please don't. Those fucking bubbles are the only part of the Vita I dislike. Ugggggly and wasting so much space. Got a bit better with the folders, but with 4 retail games and 2-3 download titles I still have to scrolls since some apps can't be put into folders.Originally Posted by Jakoozie89
The 3DSs hardware is fine, and the OS is also completely usable. But I can't help imagine what Nintendo could do with the Vita's hardware, and how good the games would look.
Vita hardware and OS + Nintendo games = HEAVEN
Not to start another debate on whether or nor Nintendo should become a software only company, but god, it would be so great for us gamers.
Originally Posted by Trent Strong
The Vita has more good games than the 3DS.
This is also very subjective , i will say that both Quantity and Quality is lacking (compared to 3DS not even psp or DS ) in my case.Originally Posted by SmokyDave
Um, it isn't. Quantity, sure. Quality? Nope.
I think it's one of those subjective dead-ends best left unexplored. For me, the Vita library is head and shoulders above the 3DS library, but I can absolutely accept the opposite sentiment because they're very different libraries. It's probably easier to say that both have a pile of games worth playing, provided your tastes align with their libraries.Originally Posted by clay_ghost
This is also very subjective , i will say that both Quantity and Quality is lacking (compared to 3DS not even psp or DS ) in my case.
3DS is catching up on PSP's Quantity and Quality too but no way in hell its going to match DS's support.
I do and it doesn't make sense to make a niche game exclusive unless the porting costs are too high or it wouldn't work well on it like Technika Tune. If say, Ys or DanganRonpa can run fine on the 3DS, I don't see the point in limiting those games to one console.Originally Posted by Magicpaint
Vita has a ton of exclusive niche games, ya know.
Yeah, it's like, I get why people love the 3DS games, but they are just not for me. I would take Hotline Miami, Spelunky and even exclusives like KZM over Zelda and Fire Emblem any day.Originally Posted by SmokyDave
I think it's one of those subjective dead-ends best left unexplored. For me, the Vita library is head and shoulders above the 3DS library, but I can absolutely accept the opposite sentiment because they're very different libraries. It's probably easier to say that both have a pile of games worth playing, provided your tastes align with their libraries.
Miiverse sounds bolted on from the fact you can't use NNID for friend requests and the Miiverse is missing loads of features so I'm worried it'll make things worse actually.Originally Posted by StreetsAhead
With Miiverse and the NNID update due in the next couple of weeks, I imagine there'll be some improvements to the overall experience on the OS side.
It is not an alarm clock, which is something the DS Lite had. DSi did not but hay for $2 you can get the Super Mario alarm clock DSiWare...next they'll ship the system without an AC adap...oh right 3DS XL happened. Meanwhile an MP3 player is free on the 3DS (one of my most used features).Also there's a clock in the top right of the top screen. FOR FREE!
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Mario Alarm Clock, Calculator and Animal Crossing versions of them are 3rd party..."Selling you clocks and notepads"
Are you sure that's not 3rd party software?
This is where I got confused at the OP. He complains like it is the original 3DS (crap battery etc) then mentions the "on 3D sux on XL".Should have gotten the XL. It's an improvement in ergonomics, button quality and almost everything else hardware related. And it also makes navigating the OS much easier. The small screens of the OG 3DS make the OS look much too cramped.
I think it's porting costs limiting the decision. We've seen developers take the mulitplatform approach recently with niche titles such as VLR, Conception II, Exstetra, Time Travellers etc, and it didn't necessarily seem worthwhile or beneficial for total LTD sales. Multiplatform strategy works best for titles with a broad appeal because then you reach out to more users (provided the other platforms have a sizable audience), but with niche titles, you're reaching out to the same or very close to the same audience, regardless, just with the extra costs of porting.I do and it doesn't make sense to make a niche game exclusive unless the porting costs are too high or it wouldn't work well on it like Technika Tune. If say, Ys or DanganRonpa can run fine on the 3DS, I don't see the point in limiting those games to one console.
In Japan I agree with you because there's a good overlap of what systems the target audience owns (although games like Time Traveler wouldn't have sold well regardless if it was exclusive or not). But in the West I think it's a completely different issue where the more systems it's on, the better off it'll be.Originally Posted by Magicpaint
I think it's porting costs limiting the decision. We've seen developers take the mulitplatform approach recently with niche titles such as VLR, Conception II, Exstetra, Time Travellers etc, and it didn't necessarily seem worthwhile or beneficial for total LTD sales. Multiplatform strategy works best for titles with a broad appeal because then you reach out to more users (provided the other platforms have a sizable audience), but with niche titles, you're reaching out to the same or very close to the same audience, regardless, just with the extra costs of porting.
Lol what?Originally Posted by Uncle Rupee
You're not a Nintendo fan, though. You see their logo and you're all like "I don't want any of this kiddie bull shit! This is for babies!" I've seen you pull this kind of shit in too many Nintendo threads, come on man give it a rest.
Honestly, after this one you are going on my ignore list.
watOriginally Posted by cyberheater
Yep. I honestly have come to realise that Nintendo is the worst video company out of the big three. As this generation goes on, I'm starting to dislike them more and more and I'm/was a huge Nintendo fan.
I'm getting my own back by refusing to ever buy a new game from Nintendo again.
Oh well, seems like they sell themed versions of that stuff on the eShop. It's not as if they force you though, a notepad and a clock are already integrated in the OS and work wellOriginally Posted by Starwolf_UK
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Mario Alarm Clock, Calculator and Animal Crossing versions of them are 3rd party...
I'd agree again, for the big games, but the West is generally an even smaller market for niche titles.In Japan I agree with you because there's a good overlap of what systems the target audience owns (although games like Time Traveler wouldn't have sold well regardless if it was exclusive or not). But in the West I think it's a completely different issue where the more systems it's on, the better off it'll be.
The 3DS and Vita specs are pretty different as are the dev environments. Putting a game on both systems is a lot of work.Install base size doesn't explain why niche games that can be shared between the two of them, aren't. Especially when the Vita has it's own niche beat 'em up (Dragon's Crown) that probably sold better too.
Keep telling yourself that the hardware is great, you get good value for the money, it has a strong library, and the reason it has bombed everywhere is no reason.Originally Posted by SmokyDave
Um, it isn't. Quantity, sure. Quality? Nope.
Also should note that literally all cell phones have these functions. Nintendo usually doesnt add things that most other devices provide. A good example of this is their consoles don't play DVDs. It's a function that is not needed.Oh well, seems like they sell themed versions of that stuff on the eShop. It's not as if they force you though, a notepad and a clock are already integrated in the OS and work well
Bravely Default has microtransactions.wat
I don't remember them pulling a Forza 5/ Gran Turismo 6 or making NNID a payed service yet. Instead, 3DS early adopters got 22 free games so far.
Man, you got some pent up anger there dude. You should relax.Keep telling yourself that the hardware is great, you get good value for the money, it has a strong library, and the reason it has bombed everywhere is no reason.
Keep fucking that chicken. Maybe the plebs will wake up and realize what you've known all along. That will probably happen.
What dimension are you from + do you actually play the multitude of games that are on that thing?Originally Posted by BomberMouse
Long story short, got a 3DS not too long ago and I'm incredibly disappointed by it. It get's so much praise but there's so much wrong with this console it's amazing. Everything about it is extremely underwhelming, from hardware to software (OS). Some annoying stuff off the top of my head:
- Archaic download system. Can't download and play at the same time, either I'm stuck on the eShop or I have to close my console.
- Horrible account system, why are passwords for my CC between 4 and 8 characters? Please don't tell me nintendo stores them as plain text. Can't think of any other reason to limit password length.
- eShop is awful to navigate and to use.
- UI is horrible. Ugly and horribly inconsistent. How come I can't fully use the OS without the stylus? Why sometimes B takes me back but other times not? Why I can't use the home button sometims? What is the deal with the inconsistent buttons all over the place? etc.
- It's slow. Not dead slow but orders of magnitude slower than the competition.
- They try to squeeze every penny out of you! There's nothing free, they sell you clocks and notepads. Even demos have a limited number of uses.
- Multitasking is a joke.
- Region Lock.
- Hardware design is awful. The whole purpose of the clamshell design is pointless when the console doesn't close completely. The damn touch screen is a joke and requires you to use a protector since the stylus damages it way too easy. That damn volume slider is a terrible idea and it's too easy to hit by accident, buttons feel very cheap, etc.
- The ergonomics are terrible. The original GBA was the last decent console design by nintendo which felt right.
- Terrible battery life, probably the worst battery life out of any handheld out there.
I don't even want to talk about the stupid account system or the horrible, horrible screen. It has a worse screen than the PSP had in 2005. 3D games look so bad on a XL.
Any other new owner disappointed by it? iOS gaming lacks some decent input methods but it gets everything else so damn right.
I don't think it's that smaller, just more segmented, if you look at the whole west and not just NA and EU separately. Two recent examples - P4G shipped 300k+ in Japan, and it did 700k+ worldwide, Dragon's Crown probably shipped close to 300-400k in Japan, and it did 800K worldwide.Originally Posted by Magicpaint
I'd agree again, for the big games, but the West is generally an even smaller market for niche titles.
I doubt it's that difficult if Chunsoft was able to do it just fine.The 3DS and Vita specs are pretty different as are the dev environments. Putting a game on both systems is a lot of work.
Didn't you just agree about subjectivity of libraries and yet here you are forgetting that like a few posts later? What if those 22 roms WERE enough for those people or wsippel in this case, just like the Vita library isn't appealing to some? Perhaps cross buy isn't enough from some to immediately sink to your level of disdain for this inferior hardware?Originally Posted by SmokyDave
Bravely Default has microtransactions.
Making a PSN id isn't a paid service either.
22 ROMs as a 'sorry' for a huge price cut doesn't really stack up to the Cross-Buy system in my opinion.
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