It's gone now, too much nudity...
He was in brothel, tits everywhere and people fucking lol
Awesome, purchase confirmed.
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Thief |OT| Hide your valuables, Garrett is back in town
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Awesome, purchase confirmed.
SJRB
Gold Member
He's really cleaning that place out haha, damn.
I've seen enough. Atmosphere is awesome.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
I'm in the same boat. Never played a Deus Ex until HR - HR was awesome. Never played a Thief game before and this new one looks awesome as well.
Remachinate
Member
You're missing the point. The goal of Thief is to not be detected to begin with, and so the tools that would need to be revisited in light of more sophisticated AI are those that would keep them from seeing you. The original article said that using arrows or thown items to distract guards would be right out since they could track the origin with their original capability, so how do you replace that? Do you provide more options to outright disable guards and turn it into more of a predatory game? Do you provide more options to control visibility and make the stealth more one-dimensional? Given the Thief legacy, I don't these design decisions are as easy as you make them out to be.
Moff
Member
human revolution was really good though, only very few deus ex fans didnt like it and even if you didnt think it was as good as the first one, you couldnt deny eidos montreal tried their best to honor the franchise
I cant say that about thief, so far, if you look at dev quotes.
but I'll reverse my final judgement for after I finished it.
I cant say that about thief, so far, if you look at dev quotes.
but I'll reverse my final judgement for after I finished it.
This, the work required to properly integrate such a high degree of of AI difficulty in the game would transform the core game to such a degree it would probably resemble Thief even less. And you know what you get when you have AI with supreme detection skills and a player character with little agency around it? You get purist mode from Absolution. Fuck that.
Stealth games are a niche genre anyway, making such a hardcore unforgiving stealth game with AI that brutal would be downright irresponsible for a AAA studio in the year 2014.
Cave Johnson
Member
And this is the original problem. How are they doing this? Have someone try throwing an object behind you without looking and determine the "origin" of the trajectory. You're already concluding an assumed infrastructure that supposedly "works".
You say the objective of Thief is to not be detected. This is an expectation not an objective, otherwise the game would end right then and there. Screw-ups can happen so there must be a follow up since a more sophisticated AI is more likely to pressure the player to fail his "stealth" state just as long as it isn't unfair to the player.
For the rest of the questions, it all boils down to what you believe a Thief game should be. What aspects of the game do you think needs improvement and is it a realistic to work around that design change? I only responded to your concerns but as long as the imaginary realistic AI is further elaborated, I cannot give a proper response since it's all speculation at this point.
What I'm trying to imply is that this so-called AI from this studio isn't realistic but just another god-mode implanted to give a false impression that the AI is smart. Seeing all their design decisions AND changing them based on a few fan remarks shows they are far from actually designing a game in an effective manner - let alone designing a sophisticated AI.
DryvBy
Member
Mine too. derrick is the spirit of my self first discovering Deus Ex and Thief when I was several years younger.
Raven77
Member
I played the two original Thief titles and I must say, people are viewing them with nostalgia-goggles. The game was amazing, one of my favorite of all time, but it by no means had insanely complex AI. Part of what made the game so fun was figuring out exactly how the AI would react when certain things happened, then planning around their patterns and reactions.
This game appears to be essentially the same. Maybe the AI is cheap, but AI could be cheap in the original Thief as well.
As for the "small" levels. All I can say is, thank God. The original could be frustrating with not knowing where to go and some of the levels, in their design, were a bit cumbersome and clunky.
I'll take a boiled down, smaller but detail packed levels over sprawling frustrating to navigate ones.
This game appears to be essentially the same. Maybe the AI is cheap, but AI could be cheap in the original Thief as well.
As for the "small" levels. All I can say is, thank God. The original could be frustrating with not knowing where to go and some of the levels, in their design, were a bit cumbersome and clunky.
I'll take a boiled down, smaller but detail packed levels over sprawling frustrating to navigate ones.
AzureSkies
Member
This guy knows what he's talking about.
Gamesradar live stream with developers (PS4 version) - http://www.twitch.tv/gamesradar
Edit: Nice now he turned everything off. (map, button prompts, waypoints etc.) looks so clean now.
Edit: Nice now he turned everything off. (map, button prompts, waypoints etc.) looks so clean now.
Man, I really hope there aren't too many dramatic scripted escape sequences in this. Is anyone really still impressed by big set piece nonsense in this day and age? It especially doesn't belong in a game like Thief. Splinter Cell, I can understand now that Sam Fischer is basically Jack Bauer. Absolution, when it happened it worked more or less with the tone and story even if not in principle. But the silent escape in Thief was always just as essential as the silent infiltration. It won't do the franchise or the player justice if after sneaking through a whole level, Garrett gets busted in a cutscene and we have to react like we're the ones that fucked up. Hopefully kept to a minimum.
On a recent Rebel FM, Mitch Dyer was highly praising of the gameplay while really critical of the writing and Garrett's voice overs. He had never played a Thief game before his 4 hour demo in Montreal.
On a recent Rebel FM, Mitch Dyer was highly praising of the gameplay while really critical of the writing and Garrett's voice overs. He had never played a Thief game before his 4 hour demo in Montreal.
"Wow, good question, for this one i don't want to give you a bullshit answer."
This comes from the developer, the hell does that even mean?
What was the question asked?
don't know the exact question because my stream bugged out but it was something with headset support and audio.
John Caboose
Member
I hope this is good. I will try it out for an hour or two and if it is good I'll buy it for myself. Most likely getting Xbox One version.
I guess "Can PC users use their mic for voice stuff". Game supports only voice navigations for game menus, but it can also support detection of your voice during missions. If you yell in your room with Xbone and PS4, guards will hear you.
Fully 1st person. 3rd person camera is used for story cinematics.
Remachinate
Member
3rd person for climbing animations as well IIRC.
GavinUK86
Member
He probably didn't know the answer and he didn't wanna tell you pack of lies just so he sounds like he knows. I appreciate honesty like that."Wow, good question, for this one i don't want to give you a bullshit answer."
This comes from the developer, the hell does that even mean?
I only saw wall-climbing and rope-climbing in 1st person only. Any vid of 3rd person gameplay?
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Deleted member 102362
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I have such mixed feelings about this game.
What I'll say is I hope it turns out well, despite my misgivings.
edit: well, after watching that stream, my feelings are less mixed.
What I'll say is I hope it turns out well, despite my misgivings.
edit: well, after watching that stream, my feelings are less mixed.
There is a live demo on Rev3 games right now
FYI he just disabled all the hud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MefdILzzRvc
FYI he just disabled all the hud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MefdILzzRvc
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Nothing wrong with Tara but I prefer listening to Sessler discuss how the game reminded him of My Fair Lady crossed with Eraserhead
Using an online leaderboard as an incentive to turn handholding stuff off? That's kinda weird but interesting. They're really serious about giving people options, which is nice, but who knows if that means the game is built around easy mode and turning stuff off just makes it harder because it breaks shit, or if the thing is built around the most difficult approach and everything else is just cheats.
twisteddeeds
Member
Day 1 steel book edition for me... looking forward to playing through with everything turned off, iron man mode etc on first playthrough
I'm assuming you don't actually know what "nostalgia" means, because making that accusation about a series you haven't even played is ridiculous.
Best use of sarcasm ever on GAF. There's no way anyone could be serious about that, after all.
Isn't that a higher score than Dishonored?
Its the typical argument. A game gets changed to suit a casual audience and people act deliberately obtuse about any complaints.
Oh man, I feel kinda sad that Dishonored is just one point away from the greatest stealth game ever made. It's not that they didn't make a good game--it was good--it just... I dunno. Something about Dishonored never quite clicked with me.
molnizzle
Member
Erm, no it's not?
Accusations of nostalgia are specifically about implying that someone's memories of something are fake or embellished. Do I really need to explain how absurd (not to mention arrogant) it is to say that when referring to something you don't even have any memories of in the first place?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of_3FxnsCZc
Launch trailer is up.
Man, really looking forward to playing this, but the script sounds like something written by someone who speaks English as a second language and has no working knowledge of subtlety.
"Be sure you don't end up a ghost yourself."
"I've been a ghost all my life."
Ugh.
That being said, it was a nice little trailer and we got some looks at new things, like those dummies. I'm curious to see how all the various threads tie together. The rebellion, the baron, the thief-taker general, Garrett not recalling what happened to Erin, the Queen of the Beggars. The plot at this point doesn't seem like much to write home about, but they do seem to have a lot going on.
Launch trailer is up.
Man, really looking forward to playing this, but the script sounds like something written by someone who speaks English as a second language and has no working knowledge of subtlety.
"Be sure you don't end up a ghost yourself."
"I've been a ghost all my life."
Ugh.
That being said, it was a nice little trailer and we got some looks at new things, like those dummies. I'm curious to see how all the various threads tie together. The rebellion, the baron, the thief-taker general, Garrett not recalling what happened to Erin, the Queen of the Beggars. The plot at this point doesn't seem like much to write home about, but they do seem to have a lot going on.
Remachinate
Member
What's wrong with that exchange? Seems like an inoffensive if not witty turn of phrase.
Same with me. I played it for maybe like 10 hours but somehow got bored of it. I was wanting it to be awesome, because I've always loved stealthy games, but something just bugged me. Can't put my finger on it.
I think he doesnt know this was mostly made by french Canadians...guess what,the english translation done by English people is probably not subtle at all... I don't get the reference either...
Remachinate
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He's going to a ghost ship, so his friend warns him not to get himself killed ("end up a ghost yourself"). Garrett calls himself a ghost in the sense that he's made a living out of not being detected. It's an ironic play on the literal vs metaphorical meaning of the word; seems fine to me.
N7Commander95
Member
Yeah, to be honest, the game does have s e awful exchanges on the twitch stream, but I thought that ghost one was rather witty
I'm not trying to make a big stink about it, but it just seemed rather cheesy to me. But certainly inoffensive. And the fact that there's a ghost ship level has certainly piqued my curiosity. I was disappointed at how small the zombie ship level was in Deadly Shadows.
Speaking of carryovers from Deadly Shadows, has it been confirmed that you'll have to go and manually sell loot to fences to get money and re-supply? I really enjoyed basically having to run Garrett's errands between missions.