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Sn4ke_911
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(02-20-2014, 12:20 AM)
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from the other thread, thanks to Green Yoshi.

First review. M!Games gives it 90%:

"The hardest Action-RPG in the world. More convenient, gorgeous and extensive"

http://www.maniac.de/content/extende...s-246/page/1/0

They gave Dark Souls 1 88% and Demon's Souls 82%.




Update:

Thanks a lot to takoyaki for the translation summary of the review.

Originally Posted by takoyaki

This is my translation of the review by the German magazine Mgames (something like a less industry focused Edge). I spoiler-tagged the big spoilers, but there is a lot in the review that many will consider a spoiler, so please know this going in.

The review is written by another reviewer than DS1, not sure about DeS. All screenshots are in German and from the (near?)final build, a lot of new screenshots which I can’t post, but I can tell you that the Gargoyles on the Rooftop are back as a boss, but according to the reviewer, something unexpected will happen during the fight.


INTRODUCTION:

He summarizes the Souls series as “if your hero dies, try sucking less”

he’s happy to say that this mantra applies to DS2, even tough From made it easier to get into/less obtuse.


STORY:

Fan’s of long cut-scenes or a easy to follow story won’t be happy, other than the impressive intro that has become a staple of the series.

The Story is told by the NPCs, in most cases as a monologue

(surprisingly) not much has changed in the storytelling department

You play someone cursed by the “Curse of the Undead” who thirsts for souls

The central hub (think Firelink, Nexus) is called Majula, the land is called 
“Drangleic”

In Majula, several shop-keeps sell you weapons, armor, items and you can learn magic and pyromancy from teachers

The female character called “Emerald Herald” let’s you level up your character

=> the reviewer states that all the vendors/teachers are located near Majula or at least another bonfire; this is one of those points where the word “convenient” applies, it won’t make any difference other than your own time



LEVEL-DESIGN:

similar structure to DS1, Majula acts as the central hub. You can visit different areas. The reviewer praises the diversity of the areas:

gloomy ruins of a castle, foggy woods, underground tombs, a gloomy dockyard, a quarry that is filled with poisonous air*

*[there’s a picture where this area is shown, the view distance is very short, you can see huge enemies towering in the not-so-far distance. You can see the poison-level-indicator and the blurb beneath the pictures warns “to watch out for the poisonous wafts of mist”

=> this seems to be the new “Vally of Defilement, Blight Town” :-)

Since a lot of the areas are very dark, the torch becomes your best friend. With the torch in hand, the immediate surrounding area get’s lit (think Tomb of Giants)

you can kindle stationary fireplaces that stay lit (Zelda-style).

Fast-travel is available from the beginning of the game.

Like the areas themselves, the enemies that inhibit them are diverse, interesting to fight and as deadly as ever:

Zombie-knights, wild bloodhounds, poisonous giant spiders, jungle-warriors with a lion-mane!?, axe-wielding dwarfs, fire-demons that fill the whole screen,...



COMBAT-DESIGN:

the reviewer describes it in detail, but it’s par-for-the-course.

It’s precise and let’s the player build his/her own combat-style, parrying or blocking is as important as ever

Magic and Archery use up stamina

You can assign up to 3 weapons/shield to each arm and you can use the D-Pad to change them at any time



LEVELING-UP:

Souls still act as the universal currency [items, weapons, leveling up,...] and you lose them all when you die, with one change to get them back.

The choice of character type you make at the beginning doesn’t really matter, you can build your own character like in DS1/DeS.

The only way to level up is at the “Emerald Herald”, but don’t forget, there’s fast-travel

Each new level gives you 1 skill point. You invest those skill points in the stats that you need.

you can re-spec your character via an item called “soul vessel”. It’s a rare item, but it will let you re-spec all your skill points

You can make your 60+ hour warrior into a full-fledged sorcerer if that’s what you want.

This will makes things more interesting in NG+(+++++...)


Bonfires can be leveled up from the beginning to give you more Estus flasks or you can throw in items that make the enemies in the area tougher. Great for grinding, bad for farming items because the enemies only re-spawn a certain number of times.


Upgrading Weapons, Shields and Armor is more user-friendly.


You have to find “attribute stones”, e.g. “fire, poison, magic”. You visit the blacksmith and than you use this ONE STONE to enchant as many weapons, shields and armor as you like (probably for a lot of souls). After that, you can level if up further with ONE KIND OF TITANITE.

nice tidbit: You can use all the souls you find as times (e.g. in DS1 “soul of a Nameless Soldier”) at once



MAGIC:

the three types of magic return from DS1 and there’s a new, 4th type called “witchery”. You can use each spell/miracle a certain number of times before having to get back to a bonfire, but in DS2 there are herbs that let you refill your spell/miracle (probably like the Grasses from Des)



REPAIRING:

Everything gets repaired for free at the bonfire. If you want to repair something will away from the bonfire, you’ll need repair powder. Once an item breaks, you’ll have to visit the blacksmith.



ONLINE: [the the review code didn’t allow them to play online, all based on info from FROM]

it’s a game that even die-hard-single-player-only players like to play while online.

You can leave and read messages, offer and get help, and invade or be invades.

You can summon up to two other players when you see a summoning sign. The stay until they die or you defeat the area-boss.

There is optional voice-chat, but you’ll each need to have a certain item in your possession for it to work

If you play off-line, yellow phantoms can be summoned near certain bosses. The AI is serviceable, but you will most likely use them to divert the boss’s attention away from yourself.

Online is server based, you can select a region

There’s a “Server AI” that determines your likelihood of being invaded:

people who often invade other players > people being in a co-op session > players in human form > players in hollow form

The are supposed to be dedicated PVP areas like in the DS1 DLC, but the reviewer didn’t find them

You use a certain ring to play with your buddies. You engrave the name of 1 of 10 gods onto the ring. If your buddy has the same name engraved, it’s more likely that he will see your summoning sign.

Frequent Invaders are automatically place in the book of sinners, the invaded player no longer needs to make the decision



COVENANTS: [pretty much what is already know]


Some covenants want you to kill other players, some want you to help protect other players, some want you to protect a specific area.

You can change your covenant, but like in DS1, sticking with one covenant will give you access to exclusive items etc.



HOLLOW VS. HUMAN: [ pretty much what is already know]

You can only summon in human form, but you can be invaded in both forms.
Every time you die in hollow form, you lose some of your HP (up to 50%)

You can restore humanity with items called “human effigy” at any time, not just at a bonfire



GRAPHICS:

Overall, it looks better than DS1, but there's a stark difference between beautiful, detailed areas and areas which muddy textures and a uninteresting design.*

He didn’t come a cross any area where the frame-rate get’s as bad as Blight Town.

*[he specifically called out an area called “light-stone-bay” and the picture in the magazine looks like the area is muddy, has a low poly-count and could use another texture pass. ]



SOUND:

I don’t think he mentioned a word about it, so it’s probably very similar to DS1





overall: 90%

breakdown:

Graphics:7/10
Sound 7/10
Singleplayer:10/10
Multiplayer: was not available for the review


Summary: “Congrats From, you made the game more user-friendly WITHOUT MAKING IT EASIER”: The weapon upgrading is less obtuse but still offers the same variety, fast-travel between bonfires is availabe from the beginning of the game,... Not much has changed when it comes to the battle-system and leveling up. It's a shame that some areas look worse than other, but DS2 will offer the player an incredibly motivating, addictive experience none the less


my two cents:

Have fun with the review, but Dark Souls fans: PLEASE DON’T FREAK OUT OVER ONE WORD THAT YOU MAY NOT LIKE (“convenient, less obtuse,...”) It’s just my translation of a review by one German mag, there will be many more reviews which almost certainly will contain stuff you don’t like, please save some of that rage for the reviews yet to come ;-)

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LookAtMeGo
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(02-20-2014, 12:22 AM)
Translation?
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(02-20-2014, 12:22 AM)
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AND SO IT BEGINS...
Gravelord_Nito
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(02-20-2014, 12:22 AM)
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HYPED AS FUCK
hal9001
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(02-20-2014, 12:22 AM)
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I can't wait.
prag16
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(02-20-2014, 12:23 AM)
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Originally Posted by LookAtMeGo

Translation?

Use Chrome browser, and Google Translate. Not perfect, but serviceable in this case based on a quick skim-through.
Seance
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(02-20-2014, 12:23 AM)
A percentage score and an advertisement for a review more than a review. Eh.
Eusis
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(02-20-2014, 12:24 AM)
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Convenient? Wonder what it did to do that, or if it's just the bonfire warpings.
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(02-20-2014, 12:24 AM)
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Originally Posted by Gravelord_Nito



HYPE

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Too much hype guys, can't hold it anymore.
Mauricio_Magus
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(02-20-2014, 12:24 AM)
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That's a good start, I hope the game is actually as hard as they say.
Creamium
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(02-20-2014, 12:24 AM)
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Magazine isn't out yet, so we won't get quotes from the review itself for now
LookAtMeGo
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(02-20-2014, 12:24 AM)

Originally Posted by prag16

Use Chrome browser, and Google Translate. Not perfect, but serviceable in this case based on a quick skim-through.

Thanks
The_Hitcher89
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(02-20-2014, 12:25 AM)
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Over a month away isn't it?

Didn't even realise it had gone gold
thekonamicode
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(02-20-2014, 12:25 AM)
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Die Dark Souls II ... Die.

The Dark Souls II. The.
En Ex
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I didn't realize this was coming out so soon.
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Originally Posted by Mauricio_Magus

That's a good start, I hope the game is actually as hard as they say.

Same

As long as there's less bullshit like Bed of Chaos.
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Originally Posted by Eusis

Convenient? Wonder what it did to do that, or if it's just the bonfire warpings.

Don't you remember a long time ago when the world almost ended because the producer said they were trying to make the game more accessible?
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(02-20-2014, 12:25 AM)
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Is that a Second Son review too? Or just a preview?
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Originally Posted by thekonamicode

Die Dark Souls II ... Die.

The Dark Souls II. The.

Why the fuck is this so funny?
TucoBenedictoPacifico
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Yeah, I think i'll wait for something a bit more well thought and reliable than a rushed preview sold as a proper review.
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(02-20-2014, 12:26 AM)
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prepare to die part II
Sn4ke_911
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(02-20-2014, 12:26 AM)
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Originally Posted by LookAtMeGo

Translation?

It says:

He played the game for 60 hours and the review is 5 pages long, that's about it, anything else you can find in the issue.

Originally Posted by Courage

Is that a Second Son review too? Or just a preview?

Preview.
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(02-20-2014, 12:27 AM)
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DeS 82%
DaS 88%
DaS II 90%


Hmmm, I liked Demon's Soul's over Dark Souls. Maybe DaS II will be my worst Souls game to date.
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(02-20-2014, 12:27 AM)
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Originally Posted by TucoBenedictoPacifico

Yeah, I think i'll wait for something a bit more well thought and reliable than a rushed preview sold as a proper review.

"Serien-Experte und Ex-MAN!AC Colin Gäbel hat sich Dark Souls II zur Brust genommen, gute 60 Stunden darin versenkt und es für uns auf 5 Seiten ausführlich analysiert."

He played 60 hours
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(02-20-2014, 12:27 AM)
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PC version when, FROM?!
prag16
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(02-20-2014, 12:28 AM)
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Originally Posted by Sn4ke_911

It says:

He played the game for 60 hours and the review is 5 pages long, that's about it, anything else you can find in the issue.



Preview.

He's clearly doing it wrong. The correct way to do it is to play for a few hours and rush out a crappy knee jerk review.
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(02-20-2014, 12:28 AM)
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"The hardest Action-RPG in the world"

The whole "OMG Dark Souls is hard!" is getting rather stupid. Making a hard game is not difficult at all. I think it's misdirected praise.
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(02-20-2014, 12:29 AM)
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I can hear the cynics now.

"SCORED TOO HIGH, GAME SOLD OUT SO THAT CASUAL REVIEWERS WOULD LIKE IT, 0/10."

"SCORED TOO LOW, PROOF THAT THEY RUINED EVERYTHING, 0/10."

Originally Posted by Hellsing321

PC version when, FROM?!

End of March, according to the Japanese site. Latest trailer from Bamco said they would be announcing the actual PC release date very soon.
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I've been repeating this since Demon's Souls was released but I still don't understand why people qualify the Souls series as hard. It has the fairest, most straightforward and deep game mechanics I have ever seen in an roleplaying game.

I don't think any of the Souls games are hard, they are fair games. They require observation, they require that you improve as a player, rather than you to improve your character by grinding, and both you and your enemies are prone to the same rules, the same weaknesses and strengths that the game allows you to use.
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Originally Posted by Rehynn

"The hardest Action-RPG in the world"

The whole "OMG Dark Souls is hard!" is getting rather stupid. Making a hard game is not difficult at all. I think it's misdirected praise.

Unforgiving is a better word for it imo
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Originally Posted by prag16

He's clearly doing it wrong. The correct way to do it is to play for a few hours and rush out a crappy knee jerk review.

Indeed they should learn from IGN
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(02-20-2014, 12:32 AM)
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I really want the PC version :((
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HYPUUUUUUUUU
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Originally Posted by Beysus

DeS 82%
DaS 88%
DaS II 90%


Hmmm, I liked Demon's Soul's over Dark Souls. Maybe DaS II will be my worst Souls game to date.

Ehh... yes, maybe.
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Originally Posted by Rehynn

"The hardest Action-RPG in the world"

The whole "OMG Dark Souls is hard!" is getting rather stupid. Making a hard game is not difficult at all. I think it's misdirected praise.

First, I think part of the problem is the way we classify difficulty. Dark Souls is "tough", but it's only really hard if you're impatient. Taking your time and being patient with your travels and understanding the superb game mechanics results in a game that is harder than the average title to be sure, but is easily conquerable.

Second, a real challenge is absolutely something worthy of praise. In today's hold-your-hand glowing arrow snorefests of modern game design, titles that respect its audience intelligence are exceedingly rare. Demon/Dark Souls respects its audience enough to not hold their hand, allows gamers to take the time to learn their skills as they feel comfortable, and to not have to guide them through each location. Similarly, beating a game that is legitimately challenging is one of the best feelings offered in the gaming world - and is simply peerless in terms of the reward one feels for beating its contents. Designing a game with an appropriate level of difficulty - one where when you die you almost always blame your own failure to apply what you've learned - is incredibly hard, and virtually no developers these days even attempt it.
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(02-20-2014, 12:33 AM)
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Originally Posted by thekonamicode

Die Dark Souls II ... Die.

The Dark Souls II. The.

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Prepare to The
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This game doesn't exist to me until they announce the PC release date :(
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Originally Posted by thekonamicode

Die Dark Souls II ... Die.

The Dark Souls II. The.

No one who speaks German could be an evil man
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Originally Posted by Rehynn

"The hardest Action-RPG in the world"

The whole "OMG Dark Souls is hard!" is getting rather stupid. Making a hard game is not difficult at all. I think it's misdirected praise.

Making a good, hard game is though. If the game had no balance and was simply hard for the fuck of it, then it wouldn't be getting this praise.
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(02-20-2014, 12:34 AM)
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I wonder if I should get this having not played Demon Souls or Dark Souls before, i've read the plot is linked directly to Dark Souls 1 so...meh
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If it's scoring higher than Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, I'm skeptical. It means they might have changed something significant to the game play. The reviewers might like what happened but who knows if I will.


Edit: I just realized how idiotic this post sounded. Forget it.

Still gonna play the shit out of it and I'm really excited for it. It comes out during spring break for me.
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We need some review quotes. Excited!

I wonder if they've made it more accessible. I'm not entirely convinced I liked bonfire warping in the first title- surely it cut down immensely on backtracking but nothing ever felt as dangerous.

In this regard, maybe it turned out more like the Nexus.
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(02-20-2014, 12:36 AM)

Originally Posted by The Lamp

If it's scoring higher than Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, I'm skeptical. It means they might have changed something significant to the game play. The reviewers might like what happened but who knows if I will.


Edit: I just realized how idiotic this post sounded. Forget it.

Still gonna play the shit out of it and I'm really excited for it. It comes out during spring break for me.

I was going to call you out on it but you saved it :p
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Originally Posted by The Lamp

If it's scoring higher than Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, I'm skeptical. It means they might have changed something significant to the game play. The reviewers might like what happened but who knows if I will.

Still gonna play the shit out of it and I'm really excited for it. It comes out during spring break for me.

Yeah, I don't put a whole lot of stock in comparing review scores. The games were released several years apart and I'm guessing all three reviews weren't written by the same person applying the same scoring criteria in exactly the same way.
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The reviewer's short summary is:

"Der Fantasy-Brocken ist komfortabler, prachtvoller, umfangreicher"

which roughly means

"the fantasy epic is more comfortable, gorgeous/magnificent and larger/more extensive"

to summarize:

it's more user-friendly, but not necessarily easier

it looks better than Dark Souls 1

probably talking about more features, items, covenats, maybe even the size of the world

the magazine is set to be released tomorrow and Mgames, formerly Man!c, is a well respected German games magazine, can't wait for the full review!
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Originally Posted by thekonamicode

Die Dark Souls II ... Die.

The Dark Souls II. The.

The Bart; The.

Pretty damned impressive if this scored higher than Demon's and Dark. Hope this gets a next gen port though, the frame rate for Demon's/Dark can get really rough
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(02-20-2014, 12:40 AM)

Originally Posted by BadTaste105

I wonder if I should get this having not played Demon Souls or Dark Souls before, i've read the plot is linked directly to Dark Souls 1 so...meh

I have the solution for you.
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Originally Posted by thewhitehawk

I've been repeating this since Demon's Souls was released but I still don't understand why people qualify the Souls series as hard. It has the fairest, most straightforward and deep game mechanics I have ever seen in an roleplaying game.

I don't think any of the Souls games are hard, they are fair games. They require observation, they require that you improve as a player, rather than you to improve your character by grinding, and both you and your enemies are prone to the same rules, the same weaknesses and strengths that the game allows you to use.

Agree.

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