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chadskin
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(03-01-2014, 10:27 AM)
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Update 2: Digital Foundry has updated their article:

Update 2/3/14 17:45 GMT: On closer inspection, we see parallax occlusion mapping used sparingly on PS4 and PC in the The City hub area, which adds texture extrusions over the Xbox One release. For a majority of surfaces this effect is avoided entirely across all platforms, and for others it's subtle. The most notable contrast is to the centre road brick-work of Stonemarket, though texture quality is identical for any surfaces surrounding it. It's a curious point in favour of the PS4 version in a comparison that is already close - though as documented, its blurrier texture filtering is a trade-off that is worth considering. This is also a separate issue to tessellation - which is engaged on all platforms. We can also confirm both versions are fully installed before starting this test, as with all Face-Offs where the option is available. We hope this clears up any confusion.

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Update: Criticism has arisen on some of the arguments Digital Foundry made. Judge for yourself, you're all old enough (I hope).

Originally Posted by GribbleGrunger

The deal is DF are lying. It's as simple as that at this point. I'm not digging back through the thread so here's just two points of note:

Pop in on X1 too but appears worse:



They say the X1 has POM but it clearly doesn't:



Now add in better resolution and better framerates. Which version is the clear winner here?

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In the spirit of openness among developers as of late, the studio has already declared in advance that the game is running at a full 1920x1080 on PS4, while the Microsoft next-gen release runs at 1600x900 - a state of affairs confirmed by our own pixel count. However, due to the use of high quality FXAA post-processing on both platforms, the dropped pixel tally isn't a major point of differentiation. Bird cages shimmer, while hair and fur shaders show up aliasing artefacts to a more notable degree on Xbox One in motion - but they are also an issue on PS4 and PC too. But for the rest of Garrett's clambering across The City, Thief's base image is neatly presented regardless of platform.

Sony's platform does run at a disadvantage in another regard though. Unlike the other versions, the PS4 uses trilinear filtering to treat floor and wall textures, creating a blur across far-away surfaces. It's a difference that sticks out when using the PC version's 16x anisotropic filtering, which itself is like-for-like with the clarity of the Xbox One release. Trilinear filtering is a cost-saving trick that suits games running at lower resolutions, where the tail-off in texture sharpness isn't so visible at a distance. For a game running at full 1080p though, Thief is doing itself a disservice here, and there's little to demonstrate why Sony's console can't compete with Microsoft's platform here.

Each version is guilty of genuine frame-rate drops too, especially when traversing main roads in The City. This manifests more aggressively on Microsoft's platform, where drops down to 20fps are possible, as compared to 25fps on PS4 - but in amongst the frame-pacing issues this is trivial. The stimulus seems to be interactions with multiple guards, and travelling at high speeds around the game world - neither of which are necessarily the core tenets of a stealth game. In either case, the PS4 version technically holds steadier at these particular stress points, but the end result still appears choppy.

In terms of PC-side performance, there's nothing to worry about where any gameplay is concerned. As expected for a game based on Unreal Engine 3, its scalability across a range of hardware is dependable, and hitting 1080p at 60fps with all settings maxed out proves no issue. Our test rig, equipped with an Intel i7-3770K clocked at 4.3GHz, 16GB of RAM and a GTX 780 Ti manages to hit this target easily enough - the only strain coming from the game's benchmark test, which drops us down to 50fps as we pass through heavily fortified city gates.

Verdict:

If you've just bought a next-gen console, this Thief reboot is likely not your best choice for showing off its strengths. Visually, the PS4 should be the front-runner given its 1080p presentation, but through the virtues of effective anti-aliasing, the 900p frame-buffer used on Xbox One holds its own in practice. However, the PS4's weaker texture filtering does factor into the comparison more visibly, with assets appearing blurrier than they should at a distance, and asset pop-in proving slightly more evident. Given that all other settings are a match between next-gen platforms, the Xbox One release - surprisingly - stacks up favourable against a maxed-out PC playthrough.

Performance on PS4 and Xbox One counts as a bigger concern, and neither deserves any sort of recommendation here. Frankly, it feels unpleasant to control Garrett when moving with any haste - not due to frame-rate dips alone, but because of the pacing of these frames, leading to stuttering. We'd encourage buying the well-optimised PC version, as handled by port veterans Nixxes, over either of these next-gen releases as there are far fewer issues in this regard.

All in all, it's hard not to be disappointed on a technical level with Thief. It's often our refrain, but in this case we'd strongly urge opting for the PC release if it's an option. If you're committed to buying for one next-gen platform or another, the superior texture filtering on Xbox One means it carries itself slightly better in the visual stakes - but frame-pacing aside, for the most part all three versions match up very closely indeed.

More at Digital Foundry, including comparison pictures & video
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kinggroin
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(03-01-2014, 10:29 AM)
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Can't win em all I suppose


Holy sgit does it seem like they were reaching hard for an Xbox One win over the PS4.

Not sure if Trilinear filtering is going to degrade IQ enough at 1080p that 900p looks better with anisotropic filtering. Also, who cares about performance right?
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Asd202
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(03-01-2014, 10:30 AM)
Well if they went with 900p for PS4 it would at least have more steady FPS.
Impeccable
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(03-01-2014, 10:30 AM)
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Who cares about resolution? It's not like it's mattered in the past, right?
TUSR
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(03-01-2014, 10:31 AM)
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so wait, the filtering is better on XBone but it runs at a lower FPS?

That not a trade off im willing to take.

And did they say that 16x anisotropic is comparable to the XBone's version, I doubt that.
Alcoholikaust
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(03-01-2014, 10:31 AM)
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so the XB1 has a lower framerate, and displays at a lower resolution, but is the better looking version?

DF-you crayyy
SteelAlchemist
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(03-01-2014, 10:32 AM)
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They're finally taking advantage of the dGPU hidden inside the power brick.
Beysus
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(03-01-2014, 10:32 AM)
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Doesn't the Ps4 version of Strider also have texture filtering issues?

Is that a bug, or...
King Tubby
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(03-01-2014, 10:32 AM)
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So the big question is why did they choose to go with better filtering on the Xbox One version? Does the architecture have any benefit in that regard vs PS4 or is that just the trade-off they decided on when they decided to make it a lower resolution?
BPoole
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(03-01-2014, 10:33 AM)
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I wonder why Eidos used a Ttilinear texture filter on PS4 oppposed to anisotropic on the other platforms.
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(03-01-2014, 10:33 AM)
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And the plot thickens. Dun dun dun. Guess it really was a megaton! (Not really)

But fully expect /r/xbone and misterx to mobilize. ;)
Backfoggen
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(03-01-2014, 10:33 AM)
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Did they ever fix the filtering in Strider PS4?
Feindflug
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Trilinear filtering on the PS4 (seriously?) & shitty frame-rate in both systems? this game is a fucking mess.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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(03-01-2014, 10:33 AM)
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Clouds finally ramping up. Gonna get some lightning now baby!.
kingdoug87
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(03-01-2014, 10:34 AM)
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for the most part all three versions match up very closely indeed.



Why couldnt they lead with that?
fasTRapid
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(03-01-2014, 10:34 AM)
So PS4:
- Full 1080p
- Trilinear filtering
- Steadier framerate (>24 FPS)

Xbox One:
- 900p
- 16x anisotropic filtering
- drops to 20's

Yet the Xbox One > PS4, huh?
dose
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(03-01-2014, 10:34 AM)
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Originally Posted by TUSR

so wait, the filtering is better on XBone but it runs at a lower FPS?

That not a trade off im willing to take.

And did they say that 16x anisotropic is comparable to the XBone's version, I doubt that.

Err yeh. The PS4 version runs at a higher resolution and has a better framerate yet the Xbone version is better? Say what? What bullshit.
flipswitch
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(03-01-2014, 10:34 AM)
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And we all know how costly 16xaf is. This is ridiculous, they're using trilinear filtering.
Hyunickel
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(03-01-2014, 10:35 AM)
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After watching the DF comparison video, Thief is probably the hardest game yet to point out the visual differences between the two versions. That being said, the resolution difference is still there if you look for it. But it seems that the experience is relatively similar on both platforms.

Oh and the IGN video had crushed blacks on Xbox One, this doesn't. Did they screw up their settings?
Caayn
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(03-01-2014, 10:35 AM)
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Originally Posted by Beysus

Doesn't the Ps4 version of Strider also have texture filtering issues?

Is that a bug, or...

You'd almost think that is has something to do with the PS4 hardware, dun dun dunnnnn.

But seriously, don't other games on the PS4 use anisotropic filtering?
StuBurns
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(03-01-2014, 10:35 AM)
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I think that outcome is bollocks.

They're both a shit show, but that's a bizarre conclusion.
kinggroin
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(03-01-2014, 10:36 AM)
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Originally Posted by fasTRapid

So PS4:
- Full 1080p
- Trilinear filtering
- Steadier framerate (>24 FPS)

Xbox One:
- 900p
- 16x anisotropic filtering
- drops to 20's

Yet the Xbox One > PS4, huh?

Drops to 25 on PS4, drops to 20s on Bone. Both frame rates suck, the former is just a little less so. The data is there, no need to Fox News it.
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(03-01-2014, 10:36 AM)
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Visually unimpressive Unreal Engine 3 game and they can't hit 1080p on XB1, enable Anisotropic Filtering (one of the most inexpensive settings to crank up on PC, I might add) on PS4, and both console versions suffer from aliasing issues and frequent framedrops.


oy fucking vey


edit: that aside, text reads like the PS4 version ekes out the XB1 version, imo. 1080p vs 900p and a better (albeit also shitty) framerate certainly trumps anisotropic filtering. That said, the article should lead with both being garbage instead of trying to evelate one shitshow over the other.
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TheKayle
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(03-01-2014, 10:37 AM)

Originally Posted by Beysus

Doesn't the Ps4 version of Strider also have texture filtering issues?

Is that a bug, or...

yea seem theres something O.o
SMOK3Y
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(03-01-2014, 10:37 AM)
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Originally Posted by StuBurns

I think that outcome is bollocks.

They're both a shit show, but that's a bizarre conclusion.

very bizarre
DSN2K
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(03-01-2014, 10:37 AM)
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texture filtering one of my biggest Pet Peeves over the years, thankfully on PC 16xAF is basically free now, really it should be the same on both consoles.
Always-honest
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(03-01-2014, 10:37 AM)
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Yep, i'm fine with 1080p not being an absolute must. I prefer it, but not at the cost of a lot of other stuff.
The point is that it looks and runs great. Not that it's 1080p.
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DF vs is always more interesting when it's not about which average game is less average that the other... :/
madmackem
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So now framerate and res don't matter?. Seems a strange outcome if the one with a higher res and higher framerate isn't the winner.
The Jason
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Misleading, PS4 is 1080P, XB1 is 900P
manzo
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Better resolution and framerate is now worse than texture filtering...? 20 page thread incoming!
kudoboi
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dat PS4

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Unlike the other versions, the PS4 uses trilinear filtering to treat floor and wall textures, creating a blur across far-away surfaces. It's a difference that sticks out when using the PC version's 16x anisotropic filtering, which itself is like-for-like with the clarity of the Xbox One release.


So, these are the blurred surfaces due to trilinear filtering?

Regarding the streaming problems with the Unreal engine - well, color me surprised.
fasTRapid
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(03-01-2014, 10:39 AM)

Originally Posted by kinggroin

Drops to 25 on PS4, drops to 20 on Bone. Both frame rates suck, the former is just a little less so.

Everything below 24 doesn't appear to be moving to our eyes, so there's that. Diashow olé!
kinggroin
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Originally Posted by The Jason

Misleading, PS4 is 1080P, XB1 is 900P

How is it misleading? They state the resolution.
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Originally Posted by kudoboi

dat PS4

The power of the cloud is in full throttle.
dose
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Originally Posted by manzo

Better resolution and framerate is now worse than texture filtering...?

Until the next DF face off when an Xbone game has a slightly better frame rate than the PS4s. Seriously, I don't know why we take much notice of their ' conclusions'.
Dictator93
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(03-01-2014, 10:40 AM)
Trilinear filtering? What year is this?

FFS, N64 could linear filter textures. There were xbox 1 games with better texture filtering...

Also, DF sideway stepping the massive difference in resolution is kinda funny. Given last gen articles.
bj00rn_
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Trilinear filtering in 2014..? I don't even.. Why? There must be a story behind this?

Trilinear filtering was common quite a few years ago, made my flight simulators look like a mess:

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Originally Posted by kudoboi

dat PS4

Ah there you go. Texture filtering-gate.
Papercuts
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Why are we still having drops from 30 fps. Developers pls.
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Originally Posted by fasTRapid

So PS4:
- Full 1080p
- Trilinear filtering
- Steadier framerate (>24 FPS)

Xbox One:
- 900p
- 16x anisotropic filtering
- drops to 20's

Yet the Xbox One > PS4, huh?

I don't get get it either tbh. Maybe it's just eurogamer throwing the xbone...well...a bone. But personally. 1080p and a steadier framerate makes PS4 the better version on consoles.
makatk
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(03-01-2014, 10:41 AM)
maybe its patch fix ? lets not jump to conclusions we know how blackflag got a patch for 1080p.
filtering might be a different case .
flipswitch
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Originally Posted by kudoboi

dat PS4

Looks like your typical streaming texture problem in UE3.
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Trilinear filtering is a cost-saving trick that suits games running at lower resolutions, where the tail-off in texture sharpness isn't so visible at a distance. For a game running at full 1080p though, Thief is doing itself a disservice here

So they used a cost saving trick suited for games that run at a lower resolution but cranked the game up to the maximum resolution.

WHAT!?
TheKayle
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(03-01-2014, 10:41 AM)

Originally Posted by kudoboi

dat PS4

wtf .....
OminoMichelin
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Strider on PS4 didn't have anisotropic filtering as well, right? It's so bizzarre.
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Anisotropic Filtering is almost free with modern gpus. If the min fps of 20 on xbone and 24 on ps4 is true, enabling AF on ps4 should still give it min fps greater than xbone. With Strider and now Thief, it seems like there's a bug in Sony's SDK right now. Hopefully, it will be fixed soon.
Thrakier
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(03-01-2014, 10:41 AM)
Wow, console version sound horrible. 20fps really? Shit like that shouldn't be sold, really. It's not a finished product worth our money and more importantly our time. "NextGen". Haha.
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Originally Posted by Always-honest

Yep, i'm fine with 1080p not being an absolute must. I prefer it, but not at the cost of a lot of other stuff.
The point is that it looks and runs great. Not that it's 1080p.

The article specifically states that it doesn't look nor run great on either console, though. :p

Except if you're thinking framedrops to the 20s is "running great", but at that point, you probably shouldn't be reading Digital Foundry articles. >_>

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