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Theman2k
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(03-18-2014, 09:28 PM)
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So, basically Ubisoft banned the game from Israel.
It's not even available for purchase on steam, all the big retailers aren't selling it.
Even the official importer can't import the game to distribute it.
The reason apparently is that Ubisoft is afraid people will get offended from it's content, from the jew class to killing zombie nazi cows.

Funny thing is that the show still airs regularly in Israel, and all major game stores have huge demand for the game.

source

In my opinion, it's an arrogant move by Ubisoft.
Let the customers vote with their purchases, the show is really popular for a reason in Israel.

Thoughts ?
DodgerSan
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(03-18-2014, 09:30 PM)
So now it'll just get pirated in Israel. Good job.
Nokterian
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(03-18-2014, 09:31 PM)
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Ubisoft gonna ubisoft. Even when PEGI 18+ classified it for a lot of EU country's like the netherlands they still censor it. It's beyond stupid.
Dennis
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(03-18-2014, 09:31 PM)
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Just rename it to Juice Class.
TemplaerDude
(03-18-2014, 09:32 PM)
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I hereby declare that we round up any and all people who knowingly bought the South Park game and then were "offended" by it and launch them into the sun.
Alx
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(03-18-2014, 09:32 PM)
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Stupid, unnecessary, misguided, maybe, but why arrogant ?
Calmine
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(03-18-2014, 09:33 PM)
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Kinda pathetic for them to do that. I could understand if the show was banned there but there is a demand for it and Ubi go be dicks about it.

What's next Watch Dogs being banned in fear that people might actually think they're being hacked?
Kerned
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(03-18-2014, 09:34 PM)
"Banned" is probably not the right word here though. That carries a pretty strong implication of external censorship. This is Ubi's own (probably dumb) decision.
JoeyJungle
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(03-18-2014, 09:35 PM)

Originally Posted by Kerned

"Banned" is probably not the right word here though. That carries a pretty strong implication of external censorship. This is Ubi's own (probably dumb) decision.

Yeah, banned implies that the Israeli government won't allow it to be released.
silver.tongue
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(03-18-2014, 09:35 PM)
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Originally Posted by Theman2k

So, basically Ubisoft banned the game from Israel.
It's not even available for purchase on steam, all the big retailers aren't selling it.
Even the official importer can't import the game to distribute it.
The reason apparently is that Ubisoft is afraid people will get offended from it's content, from the jew class to killing zombie nazi cows.

Funny thing is that the show still airs regularly in Israel, and all major game stores have huge demand for the game.

source

In my opinion, it's an arrogant move by Ubisoft.
Let the customers vote with their purchases, the show is really popular for a reason in Israel.

Thoughts ?

This needs more info...
I don't think Ubi would ban the game. They want to sell and they lose nothing making it available. Maybe Israeli authorities banned?

I don't know either... Ijust think it makes no sense for Ubi to ban.
Thursday War
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(03-18-2014, 09:36 PM)

Originally Posted by TemplaerDude

I hereby declare that we round up any and all people who knowingly bought the South Park game and then were "offended" by it and launch them into the sun.


I second this.
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(03-18-2014, 09:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by Kerned

"Banned" is probably not the right word here though. That carries a pretty strong implication of external censorship. This is Ubi's own (probably dumb) decision.

I find it amusing in context that the one phrase that comes to my mind reading about this is "vorauseilender Gehorsam", which is of course German. It's also one of the few idiomatic German phrases I really don't know a good English translation for. It means to obey an order which is anticipated to come, with the subtext that such an order may in fact not even have been given had it not been anticipatorily obeyed.
GalacticaN7
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(03-18-2014, 09:37 PM)
Yves Plz.
BigDug13
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(03-18-2014, 09:43 PM)
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This is yet another example of game media being scrutinized differently than other media types, such as violent movies and TV shows with Mature rating being ok, but violent games with M rating are not. South Park TV show is ok. South Park video game with those same themes is not.
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(03-18-2014, 09:44 PM)
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Is this a first? I know nothing about the Israeli game scene. Have they declined to sell other games?
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(03-18-2014, 09:47 PM)
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do they hate jews in israel or something?
Mondy
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(03-18-2014, 09:48 PM)
Ubisoft's PR department has to be the most gutless in the industry. When was the last time they took a creative risk that didn't fall into their laps like South Park did?
Miletius
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(03-18-2014, 09:50 PM)
I'd wonder how Israelis felt about the game, to be honest. Of course censorship sucks and I'd rather not see it if possible. But I'm not discounting the fact that the materials in game could be sensitive to a mostly Jewish state.
knight123
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(03-18-2014, 09:50 PM)
Is it too much to hope that Ubisoft has joined the BDS movement?
Jomjom
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(03-18-2014, 09:51 PM)
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Originally Posted by Miletius

I'd wonder how Israelis felt about the game, to be honest. Of course censorship sucks and I'd rather not see it if possible. But I'm not discounting the fact that the materials in game could be sensitive to a mostly Jewish state.

Well if they were really offended the show wouldn't be airing there.
sploatee
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(03-18-2014, 09:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Miletius

I'd wonder how Israelis felt about the game, to be honest. Of course censorship sucks and I'd rather not see it if possible. But I'm not discounting the fact that the materials in game could be sensitive to a mostly Jewish state.

Matt Stone is Jewish. I know a lot of Jewish people who find it hilarious so I'm not sure it's a sensitivity issue.
UnrealEck
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(03-18-2014, 09:55 PM)
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It's not like Jews are sending them death threats to remove Muh...I mean the Jew class.
Theman2k
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(03-18-2014, 09:56 PM)
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Originally Posted by DodgerSan

So now it'll just get pirated in Israel. Good job.

This.

And all my gamer friends pirated it on PC because it's not coming out even on consoles.

Everyone just comes to me saying: "Dude, did you played the new south park game ? It's fucking AWESOME !!!"
Kinthalis
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(03-18-2014, 10:04 PM)
Pretty stupid on Ubisoft's part. The peopel will vote witht heir wallets (assuming the government isn't stupid too and has idiotic sensor laws).
Miletius
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(03-18-2014, 10:13 PM)

Originally Posted by Jomjom

Well if they were really offended the show wouldn't be airing there.

The content in the show is somewhat different from the content in the game. Not saying that either should be censored, but the game itself does go rather hamfist with making fun of Jews and Nazis. Not that the show doesn't either, but I'd hesitate to go "omg cenzored" without more information.
TheSlySoul
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(03-18-2014, 10:15 PM)
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Did Ubisoft really think the Jew class would offend Israel? I question the effort of them not trying to offend anyone. It is like the total opposite of what South Park is about.
RageBot
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(03-18-2014, 10:21 PM)

Originally Posted by TheSlySoul

Did Ubisoft really think the Jew class would offend Israel? I question the effort of them not trying to offend anyone. It is like the total opposite of what South Park is about.

Israeli here.
Many people would be offended, however, the people who would've been offended are the same people who pirate anything anyway imo.
Sojgat
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(03-18-2014, 10:24 PM)
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Typical Ubisoft nonsense. I really wish someone else had picked up the title after THQ folded. Why even bother with a property notorious for offending people, if your deathly afraid of offending anyone?
rjc571
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(03-18-2014, 10:29 PM)
I don't understand, are they not releasing it in Israel because they feel the game is anti-semitic? If this is the case, why would it be okay to release it anywhere else? By doing this, are they saying that racist content is okay as long as you don't expose it to the groups who would be most offended by it?

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the content of the South Park game and I have no idea how offensive it is. I'm just trying to understand Ubisoft's rationale here.
iNvid02
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(03-18-2014, 10:31 PM)
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they probably thought the potential headache would be bigger than potential sales
TheSlySoul
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(03-18-2014, 10:34 PM)
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Originally Posted by rjc571

I don't understand, are they not releasing it in Israel because they feel the game is anti-semitic? If this is the case, why would it be okay to release it anywhere else? By doing this, are they saying that racist content is okay as long as you don't expose it to the groups who would be most offended by it?

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the content of the South Park game and I have no idea how offensive it is. I'm just trying to understand Ubisoft's rationale here.

Well, you have a Beserk class name Jew and the main plot is Zombie Nazis, so probably yes they were worried about controversy.
OmahaG8
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(03-18-2014, 10:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by DodgerSan

So now it'll just get pirated in Israel. Good job.

Yeeeeep
Winternet
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(03-18-2014, 10:38 PM)
israeli here. the people in the forums i visit didnt pirate, they imported physical pc copies from VGP/BASE/others. apparently that works.
Rimon-hanit
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(03-18-2014, 10:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Theman2k

So, basically Ubisoft banned the game from Israel.
It's not even available for purchase on steam, all the big retailers aren't selling it.
Even the official importer can't import the game to distribute it.
The reason apparently is that Ubisoft is afraid people will get offended from it's content, from the jew class to killing zombie nazi cows.

Funny thing is that the show still airs regularly in Israel, and all major game stores have huge demand for the game.

source

In my opinion, it's an arrogant move by Ubisoft.
Let the customers vote with their purchases, the show is really popular for a reason in Israel.

Thoughts ?

First we don't have any big game retailers, secondly the reason given doesn't make any sense whatsoever considering the game is aimed towards fans of the show and finally even the most casual gamers I know import their games so no biggie.
jediyoshi
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(03-18-2014, 10:42 PM)
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Originally Posted by Theman2k

The reason apparently is that Ubisoft is afraid people will get offended from it's content, from the jew class to killing zombie nazi cows.

In my opinion, it's an arrogant move by Ubisoft.

Fear is my favorite type of arrogance.
Crimsonclaw111
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(03-18-2014, 10:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Winternet

israeli here. the people in the forums i visit didnt pirate, they imported physical pc copies from VGP/BASE/others. apparently that works.

It's good for those who imported, but the vast majority are just going to pirate it.
Whimsical Phil
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(03-18-2014, 10:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Theman2k

Thoughts ?

Ubisoft opted to not release a game in a specific territory. There was no "banning."
Hamster Plugin
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(03-18-2014, 10:46 PM)
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Ubisoft is handling this game incredibly poorly. Censoring the game for no reason in countries where the game should not be censored, and now refusing to release the game for no reason in a country where it can be released.

I miss THQ already.
Sioen
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(03-18-2014, 10:47 PM)
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Poor palestinians can't even play the game in their country.
Chill Penguin
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(03-18-2014, 10:48 PM)
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Why not let the country decide? If it's truly offensive they'll ban it themselves. And contrary to what some might think Israel is a rather progressive and educated country. Everything Ubisoft does these days annoys me.
Hamster Plugin
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(03-18-2014, 10:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Chill Penguin

Why not let the country decide? If it's truly offensive they'll ban it themselves. And contrary to what some might think Israel is a rather progressive and educated country. Everything Ubisoft does these days annoys me.

Ubisoft didn't let all those European countries decide whether to censor the game or not. They're idiots.

But gamers are the worst consumers as proven time to time again - South Park was the top seller in UK charts. Ubisoft can do whatever they want and they'll get their money anyway.
clubstoic
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(03-18-2014, 10:49 PM)
You can be a jew and kill nazis? omg that sounds so offensive to jews.
atr0cious
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(03-18-2014, 10:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by rjc571

I don't understand, are they not releasing it in Israel because they feel the game is anti-semitic? If this is the case, why would it be okay to release it anywhere else? By doing this, are they saying that racist content is okay as long as you don't expose it to the groups who would be most offended by it?

Disclaimer: I'm not familiar with the content of the South Park game and I have no idea how offensive it is. I'm just trying to understand Ubisoft's rationale here.

This is a good point. Could Israel come at them saying their omission was an admission of guilt?
cosmicblizzard
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(03-18-2014, 10:57 PM)
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Originally Posted by atr0cious

This is a good point. Could Israel come at them saying their omission was an admission of guilt?

I'm not sure how it would be an admission of guilt considering Parker and Stone made the game along with Obsidian, not Ubisoft. Those guys don't feel guilty about anything. Also, one of them is Jewish.
PoweredBySoy
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(03-18-2014, 10:58 PM)

Originally Posted by Theman2k

Funny thing is that the show still airs regularly in Israel, and all major game stores have huge demand for the game.

Having finished the game, I think it's safe to say that the game is a thousand times more offensive (with hilarious effect) than anything they put on the air.
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(03-18-2014, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by cosmicblizzard

I'm not sure how it would be an admission of guilt considering Parker and Stone made the game along with Obsidian, not Ubisoft. Those guys don't feel guilty about anything. Also, one of them is Jewish.

If anything, it's an admission by Ubisoft that they don't really understand the game they're publishing :P
Memorabilia
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(03-18-2014, 11:01 PM)

Originally Posted by DodgerSan

So now it'll just get pirated in Israel. Good job.

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atr0cious
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(03-18-2014, 11:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by cosmicblizzard

I'm not sure how it would be an admission of guilt considering Parker and Stone made the game along with Obsidian, not Ubisoft. Those guys don't feel guilty about anything. Also, one of them is Jewish.

I don't mean them. I mean Ubisoft, as the publisher of the "anti-Semitic" material, would be held responsible. Matt and Trey are obviously not worried, but if Ubisoft had to keep it out of the country, you would think there would be legal consequences if they didn't pull it, otherwise, they're just losing money.
Jisgsaw
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(03-18-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Theman2k

The reason apparently is that Ubisoft is afraid people will get offended from it's content, from the jew class to killing zombie nazi cows.

Why would israelies be offended to kill nazis cows?
There aren't even really bad jew jokes (compared to the TV show) in the game.

But then again, why did they censored the game like they did in PAL regions, when there is so much worse in the game that didn't get censored?
TheGoddamn
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(03-19-2014, 04:42 AM)

Originally Posted by Durante

I find it amusing in context that the one phrase that comes to my mind reading about this is "vorauseilender Gehorsam", which is of course German. It's also one of the few idiomatic German phrases I really don't know a good English translation for. It means to obey an order which is anticipated to come, with the subtext that such an order may in fact not even have been given had it not been anticipatorily obeyed.

As another multilingual speaker, I love phrases like these. Thanks for introducing it. Very appropriate for the situation as well. It all comes down to Ubisoft either not understanding the game they published, or a certain region in which they operate.

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