• Register
  • TOS
  • Privacy
  • @NeoGAF
  • Like

Randdalf
Member
(04-23-2014, 02:15 AM)
Randdalf's Avatar

Originally Posted by Ikael

From the non-book spoiler tread:





Be careful with what you wish for, man :p

I think Meereen will be more palatable than in the books; the names of all the characters there, especially all the noble houses, don't stick in your head as much as all the Westerosi characters' names do. Somewhat true of Braavos as well.
Gvaz
Banned
(04-23-2014, 02:16 AM)
Gvaz's Avatar
I wish the thenns weren't transformed into cannibals :(
Rhaknar
The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
(04-23-2014, 02:19 AM)
Rhaknar's Avatar
So how much of a badass and important character is this red viper fellow? Because he's awesome and I want to prepare myself for the chance he doesn't last long
Gvaz
Banned
(04-23-2014, 02:24 AM)
Gvaz's Avatar

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

So how much of a badass and important character is this red viper fellow? Because he's awesome and I want to prepare myself for the chance he doesn't last long

He doesn't. Goes out with a bang.
Yaboosh
Super Sleuth
(04-23-2014, 02:26 AM)
Yaboosh's Avatar

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

So how much of a badass and important character is this red viper fellow? Because he's awesome and I want to prepare myself for the chance he doesn't last long


Important, but don't get attached.
Rhaknar
The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
(04-23-2014, 02:29 AM)
Rhaknar's Avatar
God damn it >_<

Is Tyrion still around at least? I know he get fucked up during the books (even more I guess)
Yaboosh
Super Sleuth
(04-23-2014, 02:30 AM)
Yaboosh's Avatar

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

God damn it >_<

Is Tyrion still around at least? I know he get fucked up during the books (even more I guess)


Yes.
Rhaknar
The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
(04-23-2014, 02:34 AM)
Rhaknar's Avatar
I love your short to the point answers without spoiling everything, exactly what I wanted/needed. Thanks guys

Are we in track to finish book 3 by the end if this season?
PFD
Member
(04-23-2014, 02:35 AM)
PFD's Avatar

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

I love your short to the point answers without spoiling everything, exactly what I wanted/needed. Thanks guys

Are we in track to finish book 3 by the end if this season?

Yeah definitely, they already touched on many storylines from books 4/5
rando14
Member
(04-23-2014, 02:42 AM)
rando14's Avatar

Originally Posted by Gvaz

I wish the thenns weren't transformed into cannibals :(

Who are the actual cannibals in the books again? The people of Skagos?
CambriaRising
Member
(04-23-2014, 02:42 AM)
CambriaRising's Avatar

Originally Posted by rando14

Who are the actual cannibals in the books again? The people of Skagos?

I believe so yes.
Showaddy
Member
(04-23-2014, 02:55 AM)
Showaddy's Avatar

Originally Posted by desh

Does anyone else think the show will have Tywin pull the strings in order for the Mountain and Oberyn to fight in the trial by combat? I get the feeling from Tywin's last conversation with Oberyn, that he alluded to arranging for Oberyn to get his revenge on The Mountain, and what better way to do that than with the trial by combat?

Doesn't really make sense though because he doesn't want either of them to die.
Yaboosh
Super Sleuth
(04-23-2014, 03:00 AM)
Yaboosh's Avatar

Originally Posted by Showaddy

Doesn't really make sense though because he doesn't want either of them to die.


Why does he care about Oberyn? He has it out for the Lannisters, why not want him dead? I doubt he gives Oberyn much of a shot against the Mountain.
curlyfriski
Banned
(04-23-2014, 03:10 AM)

Originally Posted by Yaboosh

Why does he care about Oberyn? He has it out for the Lannisters, why not want him dead? I doubt he gives Oberyn much of a shot against the Mountain.

If Oberyn dies, against the guy who killed Elia no less, it'll enrage the Dornish, who hold the current heir to the throne hostage.
demosthenes
Member
(04-23-2014, 03:22 AM)
demosthenes's Avatar

Originally Posted by CambriaRising

I believe so yes.

It was rumored that they were. If they still are or not isn't answered in the books.
bengraven
Member
(04-23-2014, 03:27 AM)
bengraven's Avatar

Originally Posted by rando14

Who are the actual cannibals in the books again? The people of Skagos?

Rumored, but also there are some clans in the far north that are cannibals as well - I think the show is referencing them, just calling them Thenns because it's a cool, easy to use word.




I fucking wish we had mammoths. :(
demosthenes
Member
(04-23-2014, 03:30 AM)
demosthenes's Avatar

Originally Posted by bengraven

Rumored, but also there are some clans in the far north that are cannibals as well - I think the show is referencing them, just calling them Thenns because it's a cool, easy to use word.




I fucking wish we had mammoths. :(

Thenns were actually quite like below the wall where they inherited through family and had lords in the book. Show just took a north of the wall group and made them cannibals.

Manderly some how knows that Rickon is on Skagos. How? He has to be in contact w/ them to know, there is no other way. This lends evidence to the 'grand northern conspiracy' which I hope is true. I don't think they're canniabls anymore I think b/c they're on an island their reputation has kept people from visiting it and the reputation has persisted.
Showaddy
Member
(04-23-2014, 03:47 AM)
Showaddy's Avatar

Originally Posted by Yaboosh

Why does he care about Oberyn? He has it out for the Lannisters, why not want him dead? I doubt he gives Oberyn much of a shot against the Mountain.

Tywin needs Dorne though and another member of their royal family getting killed by Gregor would just send them right over the edge. At worst they'll kill Mycella and throw in with Stannis sparking off another war.
PhoenixDark
Banned
(04-23-2014, 03:53 AM)
PhoenixDark's Avatar
Why would Tywin want Oberyn to fight the Mountain? He knows such an event would likely result in Oberyn dying, and thus endangering Myrcella and extending the war. I think he Show Tywin invited Oberyn to be a judge specifically to avoid any surprises. I have a feeling he's going to be very pissed when Oberyn announces his decision to defend Tyrion.
Iksenpets
this avi makes no sense
(04-23-2014, 04:01 AM)
Iksenpets's Avatar

Originally Posted by bengraven

Rumored, but also there are some clans in the far north that are cannibals as well - I think the show is referencing them, just calling them Thenns because it's a cool, easy to use word.




I fucking wish we had mammoths. :(

There has to be a dramatic mammoth charge during the battle.

And yeah, they've kind of inverted the Thenns. In the book they're menacing because they're like highly-regimented proto-fascists. Here they're super wild and animalistic cannibals.
elrechazado
Member
(04-23-2014, 04:35 AM)
elrechazado's Avatar

Originally Posted by demosthenes

Thenns were actually quite like below the wall where they inherited through family and had lords in the book. Show just took a north of the wall group and made them cannibals.

Manderly some how knows that Rickon is on Skagos. How? He has to be in contact w/ them to know, there is no other way. This lends evidence to the 'grand northern conspiracy' which I hope is true. I don't think they're canniabls anymore I think b/c they're on an island their reputation has kept people from visiting it and the reputation has persisted.

Skagos has a normal population, answers to winterfell, etc. they are more wild and northern, but there are references to rebellions, etc. there are also cannibals there. It's just not all cannibal wild men. Clearly there is trade, commerce, towns, government, etc.

wex told Manderly where osha took rickon, no need for a conspiracy.
Speevy
Member
(04-23-2014, 04:47 AM)
Speevy's Avatar
Going with a little rewriting kick, Tywin should totally have Gregor Clegane executed now that the war is over.

Everyone hates him. It seems like a politically sound decision.
Showaddy
Member
(04-23-2014, 04:55 AM)
Showaddy's Avatar

Originally Posted by Speevy

Going with a little rewriting kick, Tywin should totally have Gregor Clegane executed now that the war is over.

Everyone hates him. It seems like a politically sound decision.

I suppose he's just to useful to though in times of war, no one else does Tywin's dirty work quite like him. With Stannis, the Greyjoys & Dany out there he knows he'll need him again at some point.
Last edited by Showaddy; 04-23-2014 at 04:58 AM.
bodyofanamerican
Member
(04-23-2014, 05:00 AM)
bodyofanamerican's Avatar

Originally Posted by demosthenes

Manderly some how knows that Rickon is on Skagos. How? He has to be in contact w/ them to know, there is no other way. This lends evidence to the 'grand northern conspiracy' which I hope is true. I don't think they're canniabls anymore I think b/c they're on an island their reputation has kept people from visiting it and the reputation has persisted.

Manderly knows Rickon's on Skaagos through Wex, Theon's mute squire left over from Ramsay's sacking of Winterfell.
Gvaz
Banned
(04-23-2014, 05:03 AM)
Gvaz's Avatar

Originally Posted by Rhaknar

God damn it >_<

Is Tyrion still around at least? I know he get fucked up during the books (even more I guess)

The characters you like now you come to hate later or die, and the characters you hate now you tend to like or die.
jett
D-Member
(04-23-2014, 05:03 AM)
jett's Avatar
What's the "grand northern conspiracy"?
bodyofanamerican
Member
(04-23-2014, 05:05 AM)
bodyofanamerican's Avatar

Originally Posted by jett

What's the "grand northern conspiracy"?

Warning...loooooong read:
THE WINTERFELL HUIS CLOS

Summary from the Westeros.org boards:

So to sum it all up the pro-Stark northern families know about Robb's will and are moving into position, with the aim of forcing Stannis and the Boltons against each other and dispatching with the "victor" before "going public" with the will and reinstalling a Stark king.

Showaddy
Member
(04-23-2014, 05:08 AM)
Showaddy's Avatar
Basically the Northern houses playing the Boltons and Stannis off against each other with the aim of wiping out the victor and putting a Stark back in Winterfell.

Edit: Beaten like Sansa in a throne room .
3N16MA
Member
(04-23-2014, 05:10 AM)
3N16MA's Avatar

Originally Posted by Yaboosh

Why does he care about Oberyn? He has it out for the Lannisters, why not want him dead? I doubt he gives Oberyn much of a shot against the Mountain.

Tywin needs Oberyn/Dorne as it's a strategic move. He mentioned Dany and her dragons, which house would the first to side with her when she reaches Westoros? Tywin knows it would be House Martell and he can't afford that.

Also Myrcella is in Dornish control.
KuwabaraTheMan
Member
(04-23-2014, 05:34 AM)
KuwabaraTheMan's Avatar
Grand Northern Conspiracy is one of the dumbest 'popular' theories that's sprouted up during the wait for Winds of Winter.
Valhelm
contribute something
(04-23-2014, 05:48 AM)
Valhelm's Avatar
Speaking of dumb theories, these two reddit threads are weird but bring up some interesting points.

Stannis attempting to burn Dany is certainly plausible.
Trasher
Member
(04-23-2014, 06:45 AM)
Trasher's Avatar
My boy getting some happiness out of Joff's death!

http://www.accesshollywood.com/game-..._article_93187


Also, titles and descriptions for upcoming episodes (5, 6, and 7): http://www.nerdist.com/2014/04/upcom...aybe-spoilers/
Last edited by Trasher; 04-23-2014 at 06:51 AM.
TCRS
Member
(04-23-2014, 07:17 AM)
TCRS's Avatar
Sophie Turner looked so hawt in that hooded cloak:


Last edited by TCRS; 04-23-2014 at 07:21 AM.
Herr K
Banned
(04-23-2014, 07:27 AM)

Originally Posted by TCRS

Sophie Turner looked so hawt in that hooded cloak:


My dear Sophie always looks gorgeous.
CassSept
Member
(04-23-2014, 09:01 AM)
CassSept's Avatar
Sophie Turnet doing her best Girl with a Pearl Earring impersonation.


Yeaaah that episode was a mixed bag. On one hand, as an episode of a TV show it was good. The reasons were mentioned before, the locales were beautiful, the balance between the plotlines was great, they were intertwined nicely and instead of rushing from one to another we revisited some of the characters several times.

On the other hand, the changes, ohh the changes. Enough had been said about rape scene. Terrible, terrible change from the books. Absolutely despicable. Horrible in conception, horrible in execution. Cersei apparently changing her mind halfway through only makes it worse. I also disliked Thenns being made so cartoonish. I thought as the time went by GRRM made wildlings as a whole more sympathetic of a group. In the show they are brutes with no redeeming factors and the Thenns are for whatever reason the worst of them.

Other minor quibbles are Littlefinger's everchanging accent (I literally burst out laughing when he spoke for the first time yesterdya) and Daario recast. It's getting better but new Daario is never gonna be as punchable and annoying as old Daario.

Originally Posted by Randdalf

I think Meereen will be more palatable than in the books; the names of all the characters there, especially all the noble houses, don't stick in your head as much as all the Westerosi characters' names do. Somewhat true of Braavos as well.

What do you have against Reznak ma Reznak, Skahaz mo Whatever and Hizdahr zo Dafuq?
Speevy
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:19 PM)
Speevy's Avatar
Those sound like the names of those cat people from The Elder Scrolls series.
demosthenes
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:32 PM)
demosthenes's Avatar

Originally Posted by bodyofanamerican

Manderly knows Rickon's on Skaagos through Wex, Theon's mute squire left over from Ramsay's sacking of Winterfell.

Ah forgot about him!
Drazgul
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:35 PM)
Drazgul's Avatar

Originally Posted by Herr K

My dear Sophie always looks gorgeous.

Not after Littlefinger's done with her.

peanutbutterlatte
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:43 PM)
peanutbutterlatte's Avatar
The actor promised the relationship wouldn't be pervy, but dem undertones :| It's going to be very uncomfortable viewing I feel.
bengraven
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:51 PM)
bengraven's Avatar

Originally Posted by TCRS

Sophie Turner looked so hawt in that hooded cloak:


Yeah, Sophie went from this scrawny little blonde girl to this incredibly tall, curvy woman with a very beautiful face. I hesitate to call her hot if only because I'm old and we kind of watched her grow up and I feel like a creeper. But she is incredibly cute.
Drazgul
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:52 PM)
Drazgul's Avatar

Originally Posted by MasterBalls

The actor promised the relationship wouldn't be pervy, but dem undertones :| It's going to be very uncomfortable viewing I feel.

AFFC didn't have anything overtly creepy happening with Sansa and Petyr (iirc?), but now that Joffrey's a goner, Littlefinger's an obvious choice for the character that everyone hates.
SamVimes
Member
(04-23-2014, 12:59 PM)
SamVimes's Avatar

Originally Posted by Drazgul

AFFC didn't have anything overtly creepy happening with Sansa and Petyr (iirc?), but now that Joffrey's a goner, Littlefinger's an obvious choice for the character that everyone hates.

Didn't he keep asking for kisses? Also Lysa seeing him kiss her in asos is what started the confrontation that ended up with Lysa's death if i remember correctly..
Drazgul
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:01 PM)
Drazgul's Avatar
I remember the death of course, but I must've skimmed over the kiss-begging parts.
LordCanti
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:17 PM)
LordCanti's Avatar

Originally Posted by MasterBalls

The actor promised the relationship wouldn't be pervy, but dem undertones :| It's going to be very uncomfortable viewing I feel.

Give it a season or two. I guess it depends on what she's up for, but this is HBO we're talking about.
Kadayi
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:19 PM)
Kadayi's Avatar

Originally Posted by Ikael

He is transformed because of the combination of a series of events: a lenghty captivity, the traumatic loose of his hand, and yes, seeing true chilvary in Brienne. It is quite the ordeal, and it is pretty believable to me that these type of events would change his character, or anyone's, for that matter.

Yes, the nature of the relationship they shared has changed quite a lot. They reunite, she's dismissive, he's frustrated, aye. But "you can't have everything that you want in this world no matter how much of a rich boy you are " was suppoused to be a lesson that he already learnt. He has experienced for the first time in his life frustration, and thus, learnt to cope with that emotion (once again, loosing his hand was probably the most pivotal event that lead to the new and improved Jaime). But nope, back to square one because apparently, rough sex is somehow filmed in the same way as a rape *sigh*

And yet despite all that you've written to outline how he's a transformed man his primary motivations never changed one iota. Kind of throws a big spanner in the works of that theory seems to me.
Eidan
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:23 PM)
Eidan's Avatar

Originally Posted by TCRS

Sophie Turner looked so hawt in that hooded cloak:


Queen in the North <3
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
(04-23-2014, 01:43 PM)
Rentahamster's Avatar
Looking at the no-book thread, I can't imagine how someone can watch the Sansa-Littlefinger on a boat scene and still think that Sansa did it.
cartoon_soldier
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:49 PM)
cartoon_soldier's Avatar

Originally Posted by TCRS

Sophie Turner looked so hawt in that hooded cloak:


She was great, throughout the wedding and the escape scene.

Now to see what GRRM has in store for her in the new book
playoverwork
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:56 PM)
playoverwork's Avatar
I'm somewhat disappointed in their portrayal of Reek. I heard he is described in the book as looking 40 years older after his torture, among other horrifying details. They have the biggest fucking budget of any TV series in the history of man. Why the fuck didn't their makeup artists cut loose?

The dude looks almost exactly the same, except with a limp. What a pacifist decision by the art crew. At least CG some of his teeth out!

To be fair, I understand Tyrion's scar is supposed to be hideous as well. But Reek is less excusable.
Last edited by playoverwork; 04-23-2014 at 01:59 PM.
Massa
Member
(04-23-2014, 01:58 PM)

Originally Posted by playoverwork

I'm somewhat disappointed in their portrayal of Reek. I heard he is described in the book as looking 40 years older after his torture, among other horrifying details. They have the biggest fucking budget of any TV series in the history of man. Why the fuck didn't their makeup artists cut loose?

The dude looks almost exactly the same, except with a limp. What a pacifist decision by the art crew. At least CG some of his teeth out, you pussies.

To be fair, I understand Tyrion is supposed to look at lot uglier with his scar, too, but the art crew again sort of made the scar a little too perfect. But Reek is less excusable.

It's a gradual transformation.

Thread Tools