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eliza0224
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(04-11-2014, 04:00 PM)
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What the hell... poor kid.
kris.
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(04-11-2014, 04:00 PM)
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incorrect thread title, he never actually got charged

also this is some bullshit
iammeiam
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(04-11-2014, 04:07 PM)
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So I still can't find anything on one student recording another in school, but did find that Pennsylvania this year decided to allow audio recording students on buses:

Under Senate Bill 57, school boards that want to use audio recordings on school buses or school vehicles for disciplinary or security purposes have to adopt a policy that authorizes their use. School boards also have to send parents written notices at the beginning of each school year about audio bus recordings and post warning placards on buses about audiotaping. This portion of the bill takes effect immediately.

So clearly the kid should have angled to get bullied on the bus, at which point it all would have been recorded for him.

I'd actually really like to know where the Supreme Court stands on one student using a school-approved device to record another student.
hwalker84
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(04-11-2014, 04:14 PM)
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Originally Posted by kris.

incorrect thread title, he never actually got charged

also this is some bullshit

Yes. I should've said threatened with Felony Wiretapping charged with disorderly conduct.
Dizzle24
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(04-11-2014, 04:15 PM)
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What a shitty thing. How is their first thought "Let's get this kid for wire tapping!! That will show him not to be bullied in our school!"

Disgusting. I hope they are all fired.
hwalker84
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(04-11-2014, 04:15 PM)
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Originally Posted by iammeiam

So I still can't find anything on one student recording another in school, but did find that Pennsylvania this year decided to allow audio recording students on buses:



So clearly the kid should have angled to get bullied on the bus, at which point it all would have been recorded for him.

I'd actually really like to know where the Supreme Court stands on one student using a school-approved device to record another student.

Here's something i found on PA law

"The law does not cover oral communications when the speakers do not have an "expectation that such communication is not subject to interception under circumstances justifying such expectation." See 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 5702 (link is to the entire code, choose Title 18, Part II, Article F, Chapter 57, Subchapter A, and then the specific provision). Therefore, you may be able to record in-person conversations occurring in a public place without consent. However, you should always get the consent of all parties before recording any conversation that common sense tells you is private."

WhereAreMahDragonz
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(04-11-2014, 04:17 PM)
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Another disgusting case of schools going after the victim as opposed to solving the problem.
Dr. Pangloss
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(04-11-2014, 04:18 PM)
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You need parents' consent and student assent for any recording, video, or pictures done in a school. Ask any teacher or someone in the education department of your university. Minors are a protected class and can't give consent for anything. This is different from searches conducted on school property in that students and parents already give consent to the administration as price of attendance.

Also, this classroom was mentioned to contain students with behavioral issues. Their verbal statements, while offensive, might be part of the reasons why they are there in the first place. They will not be sent to an in school suspension room instead. And you have to realize this is one moment out of 1000s of hours in a classroom. We do not have complete information of what the teacher did to correct this situation. The student that was bullied only taped what happen to him and does not give the complete picture. The teacher could have done something later with the other students as part of her classroom management plan.

Now having said that, I wonder how a minor could be questioned by the police without either their parents present or a lawyer. The use of the officer seems out of bounds for me. If I had to blame someone, then it would be the administration. They went in very heavy handed instead of working to fix the underlying issue.
Spring-Loaded
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(04-11-2014, 04:26 PM)
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This is what happens when you follow protocol to a 'T' with no regard for common sense.

Originally Posted by Stet

American privacy laws can get so wacky. As far as I know, in Canada it's legal to record anything as long as at least one member of the conversation knows it's occurring, which is a fine solution for people recording themselves getting fucking bullied or harassed.

It's like that in some U.S. states, even for phone calls.
Dyno
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(04-11-2014, 04:31 PM)
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It's a bullshit move take to protect teachers from being wiretapped. They don't want to set a precedent of any kind for student recordings.
Hari Seldon
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(04-11-2014, 04:33 PM)
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Originally Posted by hwalker84

Shamalamadingdong ending....... This is the school I pay taxes for and my alma mater

Lol I feel sorry for you, the taxes of South Fayette are CRUSHING. Move the fuck out!
TheJollyCorner
(04-11-2014, 05:01 PM)
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am I reading this correctly?
They place kids with behavioral problems in the same class as special needs kids? Is that a common practice in US schools?



The whole situation is unbelievable. Shame on the Principal, AP, and Judge. It's got to be a horrible feeling for the mom to feel like she's fighting against the whole system regarding a situation where her child should be considered the victim in this.
StaticJam
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(04-11-2014, 05:03 PM)
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The fuck. I hope this gets sorted out and people louse their positions of authority because of this.
OrlanisWorks
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(04-11-2014, 05:41 PM)
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Seeing things in black and white. *Sigh* Not a good thing.

Overlooking the issue, denying common sense, punishing the victim, unethical handling of school-related conflicts, and misuse of administrative power: what a pair of fucktards. They should be held responsible for their ridiculous behavior.

I really dislike school districts.
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davepoobond
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(04-11-2014, 05:51 PM)
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Felony wiretapping is a bigger crime than multiple assaults. He should have video taped without audio.
chickdigger802
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(04-11-2014, 05:55 PM)
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felony wiretapping is a no-no.

Do what i did to bullies as a kid, bees in unexpected places.


guerilla warfare.

the law doesn't do shit for the bullied sadly so sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
BigDug13
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(04-11-2014, 05:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by KPJZKC

Detonate the school with the staff, police, and judge inside please.

I'd delete this. There's a kid in Texas serving a life sentence for making a single "shoot up a school" joke on a forum. This ones not far off from also getting you charged with terrorist threats.
Guevara
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(04-11-2014, 05:58 PM)
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
mullet2000
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(04-11-2014, 06:01 PM)
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Man, that fucking picture in the OP cracked me the hell up.

Ugh, poor kid. That's how the legal system works though. Clearly there's a big issue when hard evidence of a bullying is being discarded because the bullies didn't agree to be recorded.

Also to the "two wrongs don't make a right" guys: What else could a bullied kid do? People ignore the hell out of being bullied as it is, there's very few options other than letting yourself get beat up until a witness happens to walk in and see it at the same time. And THEN that witness has to take it seriously, which is rare in itself. People shouldn't be allowed to record people 24/7 but the system is broken in this regard. If I see someone beating up a kid or sexually harassing someone and pull out my phone to record it I can't use it as evidence because I didn't get permission? That's messed up and that is not justice.
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Chariot
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(04-11-2014, 06:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Guevara

Two wrongs don't make a right.

This.
There is injustice here and in other news, but could we please stop to want to kill and torture people for everything? I mean, some of "you" guys make even threats to kids. Bullying is bad, yes, but the way to fight it is not to slaughter or strike back with more bad deeds.
Aylinato
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(04-11-2014, 06:06 PM)
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Originally Posted by TheJollyCorner

am I reading this correctly?
They place kids with behavioral problems in the same class as special needs kids? Is that a common practice in US schools?



The whole situation is unbelievable. Shame on the Principal, AP, and Judge. It's got to be a horrible feeling for the mom to feel like she's fighting against the whole system regarding a situation where her child should be considered the victim in this.


They do put the learning disabilities children with the troublemakers because the education system in the USA is broken.
Jeff-DSA
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(04-11-2014, 06:06 PM)
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More than an expectation of privacy, I think the kids should have an expectation of safety and decency. Priorities here are so screwed up.
Dr.Acula
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(04-11-2014, 06:15 PM)
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Next time turn the camera on, then it's no longer an audio recording and it's kosher.

May not actually be true.
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Cow Mengde
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(04-11-2014, 06:16 PM)
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Well this is sickening.
GhaleonEB
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(04-11-2014, 06:18 PM)
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Rage fuel. Really absurd and harmful actions from the school.
FStop7
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(04-11-2014, 06:19 PM)
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Those two tubs of shit have utterly punchable faces.
Savitar
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(04-11-2014, 06:22 PM)
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Absolute bullshit.

I can not believe grown people would convict the child of such a thing, that only allows the bullies to believe they can get away with everything and the kid who tattles will be punished. Worse being it's the kid.

To convict the kid for wanting this to stop.....not enough anger.
CDX
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(04-11-2014, 06:22 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dr.Acula

Next time turn the camera on, then it's no longer an audio recording and it's kosher.

May not actually be true.

Well considering how many various classroom incidents I've seen on youtube with kid's recording them on their phones, I wouldn't be surprised if that was true.
hwalker84
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(04-11-2014, 06:22 PM)
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Looks like the principal just deleted his twitter account.
jimi_dini
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(04-11-2014, 06:23 PM)
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because he made a recording in a place with an expectation of privacy

Wat?

Wat?

Waaaaaaaattttt?

But I guess there was no expectation of not being bullied, ey ey?

Get out and take your god damn Mr. Clean assistant with you.

I could literally punch them in the face.
CrankyJay
(04-11-2014, 06:25 PM)
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OP, what's the vibe from your local community etc? Are they outraged?
StormyTheRabbit
(04-11-2014, 06:25 PM)
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I live in Pittsburgh, this is ridiculous.

Next they'll sue that Vice Principal who tackled the stabber at that high school right outside of the city with assault or something. My god.
Neuromancer
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(04-11-2014, 06:26 PM)
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Expectation of privacy in a public school? Yeah, no. That's fucking bullshit.

I just literally don't know how, as adults, your first instinct wouldn't be to punish the kids who are bullies and have a talk with the teacher who lets it happen. But instead call the police.
XtaLarge
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(04-11-2014, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Expectation of privacy in a public school? Yeah, no. That's fucking bullshit.

I just literally don't know how, as adults, your first instinct wouldn't be to punish the kids who are bullies and have a talk with the teacher who lets it happen. But instead call the police.

career > vulnerable developing minds

every time
FStop7
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(04-11-2014, 06:27 PM)
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Expectation of privacy in a public school? Yeah, no. That's fucking bullshit.

I just literally don't know how, as adults, your first instinct wouldn't be to punish the kids who are bullies and have a talk with the teacher who lets it happen. But instead call the police.

My guess is that one of the bullies is the son of someone the school officials want to protect. A golfing buddy or some dumb bullshit like that.
Kirosia
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(04-11-2014, 06:28 PM)
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As someone who used to get physically bullied and have racial slurs thrown at him in front of teachers (who'd look right at me after and tried to pretend nothing happened), I have little sympathy for the school.
Wiseguy
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(04-11-2014, 06:31 PM)
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The Principal and Ass Principal look like bullies themselves.

Time to sue the school.
echoshifting
(04-11-2014, 06:33 PM)
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Well, this is repugnant.

If there were any justice in this world, the principal would be flipping burgers by Monday.
slit
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(04-11-2014, 06:36 PM)
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Originally Posted by hwalker84

Looks like the principal just deleted his twitter account.

Well that's not enough. His professional career needs to be deleted.
charsace
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(04-11-2014, 06:44 PM)
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This is why I always say when shit starts up in regards to bullying a kid should take drastic steps. The kid has to be cunning in this situation and seriously hurt one of the bullies. Doesn't matter how he does it he just has to do it. Otherwise they won't stop.
Sayter
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(04-11-2014, 06:45 PM)
This "no tolerance" blanket is utter bullshit. We've seen what happens when kids are pushed to their limits. It's not a matter of "if" but "when" another mass shooting/stabbing happens.
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Acerac
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(04-11-2014, 06:46 PM)
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The sad part is that I'm not surprised that this happened.
jett
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(04-11-2014, 06:47 PM)
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This is seriously fucking disgusting. I wish the people responsible had their lives utterly ruined.
iammeiam
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(04-11-2014, 06:47 PM)
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So I don't think the third link was there when I first read the OP; I just went in and read it, and here's the cop's logic:

Kurta said, “After I left the school, I wasn’t sure what charge to file so I contacted the district attorney’s office. This would fall under a wiretapping violation, which is a felony.” He later answered as to why he thought the disorderly conduct charge applied to this case by saying, “Because his (the student’s) actions — he engaged in actions which served no legitimate purpose.” He then read the statute as, “Creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by acts which serve no legitimate purpose.”

I'm having a really hard time mapping that explanation of the statute to what happened here; had he played the recording over the school PA or something, maybe, but making a recording he played only for his mother? Really?
Verelios
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(04-11-2014, 06:48 PM)
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These stories always hit me where it hurts. Shame on the school board and screw those bullies. The only recourse to being bullied nowadays seems to either be fighting back or taking it lying down. And they're both horrible.
Chariot
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(04-11-2014, 06:48 PM)

Originally Posted by charsace

This is why I always say when shit starts up in regards to bullying a kid should take drastic steps. The kid has to be cunning in this situation and seriously hurt one of the bullies. Doesn't matter how he does it he just has to do it. Otherwise they won't stop.

You guys and your violent fantasies. *sigh*
LiK
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(04-11-2014, 06:48 PM)
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Oh hey, bullying is perfectly fine. Fuck those assholes.
bigboss370
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(04-11-2014, 06:49 PM)
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so is the audio now completely lost? the kid or his mom doesn't have it anymore?
Htown
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(04-11-2014, 06:49 PM)
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Originally Posted by Dizzle24

What a shitty thing. How is their first thought "Let's get this kid for wire tapping!! That will show him not to be bullied in our school!"

Disgusting. I hope they are all fired.

There is no greater sin than making the school administration look bad.
eosos
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(04-11-2014, 06:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by KPJZKC

Detonate the school with the staff, police, and judge inside please.

Thats fucked up.

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