anexanhume
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Feels like everyday we're wading through stories about how they're still dreaming up plotlines on a weekly basis for a sequel to a 9 year old game. Those crazy Obsidian guys.
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"We still think about KOTOR 3" - Obsidian
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Feels like everyday we're wading through stories about how they're still dreaming up plotlines on a weekly basis for a sequel to a 9 year old game. Those crazy Obsidian guys.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
As do I Obsidian, as do I
Came to post this.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I'd love for this to happen, which means it's won't and we'll be stuck not knowing what really happened to the Exile and Revan.
The Silver
Member
Well Bioware already ruined the story of Revan and the Exile, if they can retcon SWTOR/Revan novel then that would be a dream come true.
Too bad miracles like that don't happen
Too bad miracles like that don't happen
Dragonborn
Member
It makes me so angry that Disney declared everything non canon. While there was a lot of crap in the EU, I always loved the Old Republic stuff.
While I'm sure I would love to play a KOTOR 3, I think creating a new IP would be much more interesting at this point, and beneficial to Obsidian. In fact, Chris Avellone gets into the advantages and disadvantages of being independent in this audio interview:
http://memoryleakinterviews.com/chris-avellone-audio/
For instance he mentions while it's great to be able to work on countless licensed IPs they often don't get to continue their work with a sequel. Essentially they put a lot of work into a game including setting up the world, characters, story, and mechanics and do not get continue it because they don't own the rights to the IP. They specifically mention what they envisioned for their "Fallout 3" after working on Fallout 2.
In fact one of the (countless) reasons I'm so excited about Pillars of Eternity is specifically because it's a new IP and completely controlled by Obsidian. They can improve upon it and make a sequel if they so wish. Speaking of Pillars of Eternity, Giant Bomb has a Quick Look up today:
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-look-ex-pillars-of-eternity/2300-9224/
This is incredible.
http://memoryleakinterviews.com/chris-avellone-audio/
For instance he mentions while it's great to be able to work on countless licensed IPs they often don't get to continue their work with a sequel. Essentially they put a lot of work into a game including setting up the world, characters, story, and mechanics and do not get continue it because they don't own the rights to the IP. They specifically mention what they envisioned for their "Fallout 3" after working on Fallout 2.
In fact one of the (countless) reasons I'm so excited about Pillars of Eternity is specifically because it's a new IP and completely controlled by Obsidian. They can improve upon it and make a sequel if they so wish. Speaking of Pillars of Eternity, Giant Bomb has a Quick Look up today:
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-look-ex-pillars-of-eternity/2300-9224/
This is incredible.
I don't know, doubt we'll ever see this happen, even though I'd love to see a proper KoTOR 3. As for the EU being non-canon, couldn't care less about it. Enjoyed the world, the characters and the story in all the KoTOR games, and seeing more of it would be great, regardless of some meaningless statement.
Who's the dude? The Exile is a woman.Loved KotOR 2.
I'll always hold out hope for a KotOR 3.
I thought Drew Karpyshyn did a good job with the books. There was, perhaps, too much "fill in the blanks", but for the most part the books were good. The only reason I see a problem with Reven is if you cant get past the fact that they canonized Reven. I get it though, a lot of bioware fans think "their character" should not be messed with.
You know I asked Chris Avellone abou this years ago during an AMA, I basically asked him if he played Mass Effect and if Obsidian curretly had any plans for a sci-fi space RPG. He said no, I am still dissapointed. WHY? WHY OBSIDIAN? You tease us about KOTOR 3 and refuse to make your own original sci-fi game, why must you be so cruel?
No. Enough with the throw back isometic stuff, I want a full AAA budget game in 3D.
While there are great examples of how to do a 3D RPG (Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, Deus Ex) the use of the isometric view isn't just a "throw back" or inferior to a 3D perspective.
While I'm sure I would love to play a KOTOR 3, I think creating a new IP would be much more interesting at this point, and beneficial to Obsidian. In fact, Chris Avellone gets into the advantages and disadvantages of being independent in this audio interview:
http://memoryleakinterviews.com/chris-avellone-audio/
For instance he mentions while it's great to be able to work on countless licensed IPs they often don't get to continue their work with a sequel. Essentially they put a lot of work into a game including setting up the world, characters, story, and mechanics and do not get continue it because they don't own the rights to the IP. They specifically mention what they envisioned for their "Fallout 3" after working on Fallout 2.
In fact one of the (countless) reasons I'm so excited about Pillars of Eternity is specifically because it's a new IP and completely controlled by Obsidian. They can improve upon it and make a sequel if they so wish. Speaking of Pillars of Eternity, Giant Bomb has a Quick Look up today:
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/quick-look-ex-pillars-of-eternity/2300-9224/
This is incredible.
That image is amazing! Finaly a conversation system with some depth and not "choose the upper-right end of the wheel to be the good guy".
My god, that kind of depth in a new Obsidian-made KOTOR game would be incredible. KOTOR 2, despite all its flaws, is still a Top 10 all-time game for me.
ExpressGalaxy
Member
Since I haven't played it, I'm curious: what have they done with SWTOR to ruin anything after KOTOR 2?
IonicSnake
Banned
Spent a lot of hours on the KoTOR games on Xbox so a third game would be really awesome!
No, the Exile is not a woman. In new canon the Exile doesn't even exist.
crazyrabbits
Banned
NJDEN
Member
They should do some kind of joint project with Bioware...
Remaster Kotor I & II, then develop a third game where you play as Revan and finish his story... also maybe some kind of prequel set in the Mandalorian wars where you could play as the exile and start her story... Like a kind of four game pack. Then work some of that Mass Effect cross game stuff in so if you were a man in Kotor I then when you play Kotor II it would refer to Revan as a man and vice versa.
They could charge $180 and make it an Origin exclusive, I would still buy it...
Remaster Kotor I & II, then develop a third game where you play as Revan and finish his story... also maybe some kind of prequel set in the Mandalorian wars where you could play as the exile and start her story... Like a kind of four game pack. Then work some of that Mass Effect cross game stuff in so if you were a man in Kotor I then when you play Kotor II it would refer to Revan as a man and vice versa.
They could charge $180 and make it an Origin exclusive, I would still buy it...
Middle aged Obi Wan taking the Exile's place for some reason.
That actually looks like my first Exile.
hooijdonk17
Member
Save your breath Obsidian, if you loved it so much maybe you should've actually finished making KOTOR 2 first.
Also, Old Republic will likely be completely rendered completely obsolete and noncanon within a year.
Also, Old Republic will likely be completely rendered completely obsolete and noncanon within a year.
Nothing was ruined persay, just the Reven/Exile plot has been wrapped up, with one of the people involved
being a companion in SWTOR
Doesnt look to be the case. Looks like TOR will continue and by extension maintain its canon.
Katze mit Hut
Member
Oh god, plz Obsidian DO IT!
I replayed the games over the last 4 months... So good. Now i imagine a Kotor game with modern graphics and presentation.... oh laaawd
I replayed the games over the last 4 months... So good. Now i imagine a Kotor game with modern graphics and presentation.... oh laaawd
I remember 14 year old me really wanted to hook up with the bounty hunter girl, I repeated that one conversation with her over-and-over again asking her if she'd go out with a guy like me. I don't know why, but somewhere in the back of my head I thought the conversation would have a different outcome at some point
Some Nobody
Junior Member
To many of you, perhaps not. But I disagree.
And, I still think about deep dish pizza. That means about as much as this statement does, as much as I'd love to see KOTOR return.
who the fuck is 'jedi lady'
atris? she's supposed to be a holier-than-thou hypocrite that's literally the entire point of her character from the moment she opens her mouth. and kreia is straight up supposed to be the same, except she realizes that she's a hypocrite in her beliefs and actions. there was a point where atris and kreia actually had exchangeable roles in terms of the finale. there isn't a single character in the game who really has a 'right' point of view and that's the whole theme of the game, that the whole light/dark side schtick is stupid.
there's really no 'preaching' going on in the game besides characters stating their viewpoints, of which you're completely free to disagree with. you can actually get to the full trust points disagreeing with all the characters' philosophies 'cuz they'll respect and examine your character's beliefs as long as you aren't just being a petty moron. the exception to this is kreia because she is stone set in her ways. she wants to be sucked up to because she is trying to manipulate you for her own uses.
i can't give fault to folks for their tastes but please at least understand what you're criticizing before doing so
this next part isn't aimed at you i just really enjoy kotor 2's overall concept. though the execution was questionable due to whatever reasons
kreia is really blatantly supposed to be the villain. like it's straight up telegraphed in the tutorial and if you've been talking to her she straight up tells you that she's going to be the final boss like midway through the game. the whole point of her being in your party from the start is so that you can understand her philosophy of how the force existing at all is mad fucked 'cuz having an unknown and ambiguous 'force' manipulating everyone is really not cool, especially given that it's been at the center of not one, but two separate giant galaxy-wrecking wars that she lived through. but it is 100% in your self interest, regardless of 'light or dark' to stop her because her plan will kill you. and an infinitely large unknown number of others at a minimum if you care about them (and you don't have to, at all!)
also i love, love, love the final talk between your char and kreia where you can ask if there's some big plot twist or some shit and she's just like 'of course not, what were you expecting? i told you what i was gonna do and now i'm doing it. you're you and i'm me, now let's throw down'
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also TOR is wrooooong as a continuation of KOTOR 2, which is fine i guess since it's more of a continuation of the original KOTOR's deal supposedly
but in KOTOR 2 most of the journey is kreia using you to wipe out every single faction that defines the force in terms of 'light or dark', effectively eliminating that 'balance of the force' concept as a whole.
ughhh kotor 2 is so dang good
Be realistic. With Obsidian's track record of AAA games, it'd be very hard for them to pitch their games. I don't say its impossible but highly unlikely.
Isometric RPG is not about throwback to the past, its our only hope of getting a vast and high quality RPG that is cost effective for devs like obsidian.
Revan's tale in Dromund Kaas is concluded in a novel in the most unsatisfying way possible.
giancarlo123x
Banned
Horrible post. One day I plan on playing the kotor games.In my veins. please. And make it MS-exclusive
I need to see KOTOR 2 in action but one of the things that killed off KOTOR for me was the dialogue. The main character had the forces at either end of the spectrum which were either relentlessly pious or a massive dickhead. Seriously, the dark side writing was awful, you just ended up being a huge knob in the face of someone like Vader, who always had a chilling ruthless cool about him.
Then the NPC's, and this is something that carried through to Dragon Age and a good portion of ME1. They are so dull. I've never encountered such tedium. Often jabbing through the dialogue before the voice acting has finished in the hope I don't miss a mission trigger anywhere. ME1 got better as it went on and ME2 onwards really did the business.
Still, as I say, I've not tried KOTOR2, and maybe their writing is a hell of a lot better. All of the above means that I don't have a lot of love for the KOTOR series, or any anticipation. I very nearly didn't get ME because of this and that took some serious effort to get through at first.
Grover Cleveland
Member
That picture predates the establishment of Meetra Surik as a female in canon.
Not like it's actually canon anymore anyway, so fuck it. Go crazy.
Widge said:
I assume you haven't seen this image
Kreia is one of the best-written characters in the history of Star Wars and overall Obsidian's efforts in that department were far superior to BW
Dr Zhivago
Member
I enjoyed KOTOR 2, but I like my Star Wars games to be Star Wars-y. KOTOR 1 really felt like something that belonged to the OT, KOTOR 2 felt like a completely different sci-fi world that had some Star Wars window dressing draped over it.
Baron_Calamity
Member
Thats probably my biggest issue with it as well now that you pointed out.
Thanks, you saved me a lot of writing.
Obsidian's characters in KOTOR2 are significantly more multifaceted than Bioware's archetypes in KOTOR1. Kreia is probably one of my favourite characters in all RPGs.
I agree with the premise, except that I came to an entirely different conclusion. The fact that it's less Star Wars-y is probably why I found KOTOR2 a lot more interesting.
You can also pick any images from KOTOR 1 & 2 to "prove" the exact opposite. I found Malak more complex and impressive than "Naked Vader bis".
Same goes for Kreia with her absolute nonsense "goal".
But then again, this is the eternal confrontation/argument between "KOTOR guys" vs "KOTOR 2 guys". Even if, unlike some of you (apparently), i love both games and i think they are both epic.
Grover Cleveland
Member
Don't get me wrong, I love both too.
But Malak's about as one-dimensional as they come. He was cartoonishly evil.