keltickennedy
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Microsoft thought they knew a lot of things....just saying.
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Pachter predicts the death of the console
- Thread starter speculawyer
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ThePlayerofGames
Banned
They will outlast Pachter.
Yes and no. I see where Pacht is coming from but I believe there will be enough demand to have devices dedicated to playing games.But things will change for sure.
It is possible that the console market is the current way it is because Microsoft and Nintendo royally screwed up with their systems. Sony is certainly seeing success in the market, but they also didn't royally screw up.
Damerman
Member
what i want to know is how he is going to fit a AMD 7850, an AMD CPU and its cooler, ram in a tablet and make it run infamous second son on a lithium ion battery. I just want to see that. Do these "analysts" have the secret R&D teams that are on the brink of feasible quantum computing that will run Crysis(from 2007) on a battery? where do they come up with this shit?
Came here to post this.
In the US at least ISPs are the biggest obstacle to this future. Even if Sony, Microsoft, or who ever figures out the tech to give you flawless streaming(and I think they will one day) it is very likely that a lot people's internet will be too slow, their monthly data caps too low, or the ISPs charge you a premium for it.
nullpoynter
Member
This guy is an idiot. Consoles aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Seems like we've discovered the one and only case in favor of how closed-a-platform iOS is! Huzzah!
VR. Format is likely going to change in the next hardware generation or so. Fidelity standards are looking to bump up too (2k/4k). Combine the two and you are looking at hardware needed to drive that in a portable format waaay longer down the road than that (i'd be guessing architecture/material change before that happens).
Yeah, so why are people still buying consoles?
He seems like a guy who would watch the home shopping network, see some kind of android stick thing, seriously believe it to be the future and buy his kids and every other child who is unfortunate enough to spend Christmas with him one.
And not understand their disappointment.
He seems like a guy who would watch the home shopping network, see some kind of android stick thing, seriously believe it to be the future and buy his kids and every other child who is unfortunate enough to spend Christmas with him one.
And not understand their disappointment.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Trolling for attention. Pachter gonna Pachter.
This.
cripterion
Member
And in the same breath he hints at an exciting holiday promotion for the xbox one? Ok...
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
To play video games
The "fucked up graphics race" was a problem last-gen because it caused Microsoft and Sony to take losses on their console hardware initially, which required them to make up the difference in other areas.
Apart from that, it's not just a hardware thing by a long shot, since both new consoles are being sold approximately at cost or for a slight profit. It's a fucked up production values race that raises questions about the future of AAA console games, and that includes a lot more than just graphics. You have professional voice acting, licensed and orchestrated music, large teams of writers, enormous advertising campaigns... Graphics factor into that, of course, but they're hardly the main thing making video games expensive and risky to make.
Death Metalist
Member
Sure they are!
speculawyer
Member
It sounds like a console to me.
If the Xbone rendered your cable box irrelevant such that you only had an Xbox would that be death of the cable box? Or would be death of the console. If it is an Xfinity box that replaces your xbox is that the death of the console or death of the cable box?
The CPU and GPU functionality remains . . . I don't think you label it by whether it is made by Microsoft, Xfinity, or a combo of the two.
flyinpiranha
Member
It will change for sure. Like how we're watching Netflix and stuff on our games machines. I mean, I remember playing a CD in the PS1 thinking "WOW" and then custom soundtracks on Xbox OG ... now they are wonder boxes just like our phones but I don't think they'll end, they may become more modular.
Astro Racer
Banned
But even when streaming becomes mainstream, there will still be one big console available for people who prefer non-streaming. It's a market that will probably never go away.
We live in a world now where we can't seem to grasp that two different things can co-exist.
Everything is "THIS is going to die and be replaced with this". It's the same with cameras "Phones will kill compact cameras!". No they won't. They will take a chunk of the market. But traditional cameras will always be around because there will always be a market for them, even if it's smaller than before.
The technology press need to stop with this "kill" shit and learn that choice is a real thing. Markets can co-exist.
Caffeine
Member
this is the guy that said pc was dead and it flourished even more after he said it lol.
I think he has one of those jobs that if he gets something right other business's will lose money so as long as he keeps getting things wrong its good for other business's so he keeps his job xD.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
Well he is right....in japan!
He gives people advice on how to invest their money and that advice is usually good. His off-the-cuff comments can miss the mark in a pretty big way, but they're not what he's getting paid for.
A smaller market with perpetually rising production cost to sell to a shrinking base. Hence "healthy"
BlockheadBrown
Member
He's been regurgitating the same line for quite a while now. This isn't really news.
AstroNut325
Member
If dedicated, local rendering leaves the console space I would game exclusively on PC. Unless they figure out a way to bring the latency down below to a few milliseconds.
This guy annoys the hell outta me, i also remember him saying that Rockstar would never be making a GTA5 remaster for the next gen consoles back in 2013 after the consoles launched i believe he said they'd only be making GTA5 For PC because the consoles architecture wasn't the same, this guy makes me sick with his predictions next thing he's gonna say is that twinkles might be on the rise of coming back
Astro Racer
Banned
The reasons consoles died off in Japan was because the software became too western.
Japanese developers had a hard time with HD developing and instead decided to embrace the handheld market, which is cheaper and easier to produce for. Leading to handhelds taking the spotlight over there.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Pachter is what... mid 50's? He'll be gone before consoles are.
Coffee Dog
Banned
hahaha, wii hd
KernelPanic
Member
A smaller market with perpetually rising production cost to sell to a shrinking base. Hence "healthy"
Not all games are massive AAA money sinks.
Plenty of smaller, indie games that are cheaper to make and buy/F2P available for consoles.
I actually agree with the fool in a way. The more consoles strive to perform and act like HTGPC (home theater gaming pc's) the more people will just buy HTGPCs. I almost skipped this generation because of that and probably will next generation.
Except Nintendo, I will always play Mario even if it's on a 5DWIISU in 10 years.
Except Nintendo, I will always play Mario even if it's on a 5DWIISU in 10 years.
I think the console doomsday scenario (tm) comes from this. What happens as the market contracts (which it is clearly is even if the PS4 is doing great) and makes AAA console games less and less profitable? And when fewer AAA games are made, are fewer consoles sold? And so on, in an endless death spiral? This isn't going to happen next year certainly, but it's a possibility in the next decade.
speculawyer
Member
Would have been better than WiiU!
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Maybe Nintendo consoles... but we all will be, no matter the age!
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
This.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I played with probably 10+ people. Either I knew them from High School or I met them at college and their idea of a console's future have been non existent. They simply don't do it at all. That's not implying anything, but they all seem to have this bait-and-swtich mentality. Make it more convenient or I'll switch to something else. I guess I hated always hearing them on the other side of the phone or in person giving me this funeral speech about how they feel and what not.
You can make a device like that, but you have to do what MS did to do it. Turn it into a DVR, a sports man's dream machine, or make it do cartwheels for the family. They hit this audience now that act like they were in a time machine from the last console they bought.
You can make a device like that, but you have to do what MS did to do it. Turn it into a DVR, a sports man's dream machine, or make it do cartwheels for the family. They hit this audience now that act like they were in a time machine from the last console they bought.
Shogun1337
Junior Member
I've regarded graphics as the main issue in heightening production values and still think it is. They say back in the 90's, Final Fantasy VII already had a marketing budget of like $100M. That's ridiculously huge even today.
But ask yourself if Square would've actually made a profit off of FFVII if it had to meet the graphical demands of today (and exceed them, as FF always has), let alone any other studio that didn't have such a powerful brand. They would've gone bankrupt faster than you can say The Spirits Within
Professional voice acting... orchestrated music, these things in my opinion don't play nearly as big a factor as is necessary to hire a gigantic team, pay licensing fees everywhere out the wazoo to make some AAA blockbuster with absurd graphical fidelity.
You don't have to abide by professional voice acting, you don't have to get orchestrated music, or a large team of writers (I mean really? 90% of the games that come out today have a completely negligible story line so I'm not sure what these writers are supposed to be doing), but if you're making console games today you do have to abide by these fucking graphic hogs because they're where the money is. Graphics are the easiest 'quality' to see
Edit: Some other things. Game advertising (and advertising in general) is supposed to have become cheaper, not more expensive. We have outlets out the wazoo like Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, that did not exist a decade ago. For FREE. No one's telling these idiotic companies to spend so much (I say idiotic even though ones like Activision and EA clearly have proven that they know exactly what they're doing)
The proof is in the pudding regarding all the dozens of video game companies that have gone bankrupt, that would've been able to survive and thrive just a decade ago. Some of my favorites being Hudson Soft, the makers of Bloody Roar, and Sacnoth.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Please wake me when phones can achieve the fidelity, physics,frame rate, scope, etc of consoles. If that ever happens then I may agree, but it won't so I don't agree.
Sometimes Pachter can make sense, but this is like shooting in the sky without looking, hoping you'd hit something.
Consoles are here to stay, same thing was said before the ones we have now came out. Both are selling well, with the PS4 hitting 10 millions before it's first year.
Sure, phones are stronger than ever, but I think phones and consoles are different enough to have two different markets without totally cannibalizing one another.
Consoles are here to stay, same thing was said before the ones we have now came out. Both are selling well, with the PS4 hitting 10 millions before it's first year.
Sure, phones are stronger than ever, but I think phones and consoles are different enough to have two different markets without totally cannibalizing one another.
Shogun1337
Junior Member
Because he's smart, turned himself into a brand, and here we are, giving his idiot ass a voice (yes I know I contradicted myself). He's actually become a "thing", but again that's actually a play on his intelligence. You guys ever think the reason he's saying shit like this is because he knows 100 threads across the Internet have now been made talking about him? He has 'pull' now, regardless of his opinion. Such is the way of humanity, I guess.
Corronchilejano
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It's funny... because the Squaresoft movie division went belly under for trying this approach with a movie a few years before it became viable.