This is silly.
I bet a Republican Senate will have no direct noticeable influence on your next two years of living.
Oh shit, they are being replaced with who?
It was all going so well.... You will be fine.
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Fivethirtyeight has Republicans at almost 70% chance of taking the Senate.
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This is silly.
I bet a Republican Senate will have no direct noticeable influence on your next two years of living.
Oh shit, they are being replaced with who?
It was all going so well.... You will be fine.
davepoobond
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i mean, i guess we've already seen what mismatching houses have done the past 6 years. although i despise republicans from gaining both houses, i really am curious what sort of bills they actually would pass or if they will just sit on their asses and just do nothing still.
i can't imagine they would actually try to get things passed since obama will just veto that shit over and over.
and they'll call whatever they do end up passing stupid things like "Anti-Child Porn Law" and its really just an anti-gay marriage bill or "Protect America Act" and its something that repeals the 14th amendment.
i can't imagine they would actually try to get things passed since obama will just veto that shit over and over.
and they'll call whatever they do end up passing stupid things like "Anti-Child Porn Law" and its really just an anti-gay marriage bill or "Protect America Act" and its something that repeals the 14th amendment.
Look, they have made sure nothing could be accomplished and blamed it all on the president. This country isn't smart enough to know better. They are buying in to it being the democrat's fault despite it being the republican strategy c The political system is fucking broken. It's useless and always will be. Things will completely collapse before it's fixed. It's done. 70% is being generous. It WILL happen.
Congratulations. You helped the republicans win. I hope it was worth it.
Congratulations. You helped the republicans win. I hope it was worth it.
meanspartan
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Expected. Thanks to 2008 being a wave year, Dems won in red states. Now those dems are up for reelection. That and 6th year midterms often suck for the prez's party.
2016 with a higher turnout and Republicans defending blue areas (again, 2010 wave) will be a Dem year, espdcially since the economy has finally found some footing.
2016 with a higher turnout and Republicans defending blue areas (again, 2010 wave) will be a Dem year, espdcially since the economy has finally found some footing.
milquetoast
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Democrats just can't get over the wheelchair thing.. how dare this carbon copy in a wheelchair run for office in an election year! the nerve
meanspartan
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Midterms are always better for the Republican Party given America's relatively low voter turnout rate. Presidential years have much higher turnout (still low by European standards though) and are better for Dems. This is because older people are most likely to vote and still turnout for the midterms, and they tend to skew conservative.
Also, the Senate is being decided this year in red states Obama lost in 2012 for the most part. However, in 2008 Democrats won in states they probably wouldn't have in any other year, they did so because of Obama's coattails that year. But now their 6 year term is up in a more poisonous environment. While the economy IS finally improving beyond the tepid 1-2% growth of recent years, voting in general is a lagging indicator because people take a while to accept that things are improving, see also HW Bush in 1992. Economy was improving then but people didn't see it that way.
In fact, had the Republican Party not been so dragged down by an ideologically ridiculous base and forced Mitt Romney to act like Pat Robertson in the primaries, no way Obama woulda won reelection.
Fox Mulder
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people don't vote in midterms and the Republicans have been stacking the deck anyways with voter suppression laws and gerrymandering.
Jeez, the short attention span this country has. Around a year ago the GOP basically had blood on their hands shutting down the government, all the bullshit 'fiscal cliff' fear mongering.
Not only that, Illinois could be getting their own Scott Walker-esque governor if dumbass Quinn can't rally the base. Fun stuff.
Not only that, Illinois could be getting their own Scott Walker-esque governor if dumbass Quinn can't rally the base. Fun stuff.
meanspartan
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I am a Dem, and I know many others too. I don't think we have an equivalent of "unskewed polls". Me and most others I know see the polls and know odds are Tuesday isn't going to be that fun for us (but hey, Advanced Warfare might be good).
It isn't anything like rightwingers insisting that Romney would win "in a landslide" even though everything but Rasmussen (shit record in 2008 and 2010) and Gallup showed Obama cruising. Of course the rightwing today has gone off the fucking deep end, and is completely divorced from reality, Ronald Reagan, their patron saint, would not survive a primary.
I was born in 1989, so obviously too young to vote in 1992, but I could totally see myself have voting for HW Bush in '92 over Clinton, or Ford over Carter, etc. (Never really a Reagan guy, most overrated President ever). But not THIS gop. Nope.
I think they will take the Senate on Tuesday, and take all the wrong lessons from it and force their candidates to spring to the right again. Anything can happen of course (even in early 2007 few guessed Obama would beat Hillary), but I think Hillary in 2016 is going to be the one that finally forces the party to drift back to the middle. And we need it, because it is unhealthy to Democracy to have people voting for the Dems simply because the other choice is so fucking crazy. When your options are "meh" and "how are you allowed out in public", you need better options.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Not sure why something that commonly occurs is being met with shock and people trying to analyze it all.
The almost identical thing happened to Reagan in 1986 when his performance helped win a number of seats 6 years prior in 1980 but they lost 7 freshmen incumbents when their term was up.
The almost identical thing happened to Reagan in 1986 when his performance helped win a number of seats 6 years prior in 1980 but they lost 7 freshmen incumbents when their term was up.
Velcro Fly
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Illinois is probably fucked regardless of who wins that. Quinn seems dumb to me and Rauner is in that slick used car salesman mold where he'd sell his own mother if he could make a buck doing it.
meanspartan
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It helps that the GOP in 2010 ran complete fucking nut jobs lol.
Conservatives will rightfully celebrate their victory Tuesday (I assume they will take the Senate, though when it comes to the Senate in recent years, never count out their ability to somehow screw it up), but honestly, if they couldn't win in states Obama lost in in 2012, where could they win? And that is where the Senate is mostly being decided in 2014.
So congrats if you do indeed win righties, see you in 2016. And by the way, nominate a true conservative. Like Palin or Cruz or Pat Robertson if he's still alive. Don't go with one of those stinkin moderates or you'll totally lose.
meanspartan
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Lol that poll is such horseshit. It is Likely Voters, not all young people. The Likely Voter models right now are HEAVILY conservative because their base is more energized. So most young people don't care unless the White House is being decided. The ones that do are the minority of young people who hate Obama and are thus "LV".
smokeandmirrors
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my fellow countrymen disappoint me so fucking much
meanspartan
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I do hope frustration with not passing anything makes the Republicans kill the filibuster. The Constitution only intended a simple majority, and the filibuster used to only be used about once a decade in extreme situations. Now it is used all the damn time and it is killing our system of governance.
Thunder Monkey
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Depends on how the Dems use it going forward. If they start using it like the Reps have used it for years now (literally slowing everything to a halt) the Reps will kill it completely.
I have no doubt. This is a party that implements laws that makes voting harder for very specific groups. Groups that tend to vote for their competition. The swing seemed to happen in the 90's, when fringe elements of said party started gaining a significant foothold.
They'll kill it with glee if the Dems start using their tactics. And go out of their way to implement something (even skirting legalities) to see they maintain some power when in the minority.
To say there's an equivalence between the two parties is insane to me. Dems are the sole remaining sane people from both parties in the 70's. Definitely skewed to corporate interests to a terrible degree yes, but it's better than the alternative. A fringe group relying on the fickle and downright dim American public, and voter disenfranchisement to win.
Any halfway intelligent idea they had was co-opted by their competition. Because their competition since the 90's have been siphoning the brighter minds away, leaving them with increasingly fringe candidates with more and more extreme views. Luckily enough for them humans as a rule are idiots piggybacking on the good ideas of the few. Giving them chance after chance in power.
Sorry for ranting. It just amazes me that Dems can lose against people like this. Should be a simple one two punch TKO. Dems gave millions health care, and they want more people to vote, not less.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Every time the Dems are on the wrong side of the vote, the electorate becomes "dim" and ignorant.
When a Democrat wins, suddenly the people are "enlightened visionaries" with "hope for change" or some shit like that.
I'll give you some credit though, thunder balls. The fact of the matter is that both sides are dim and it's all about who feels compelled to put down their phones, get off the lazy boy and cast their
(in the case of most Democrats, ILLEGAL)
The US political system is at fault not the American people.
Texas is basically a whole different country compared to the rest of the United States. Especially politically.
Wasn't there a vote before of Texas becoming their own country? I think it should happen again. Not to rag on people here that live in Texas of course, but I think to put it kindly, that Texas would benefit both the U.S. and Texas itself if it would just be separate from the U.S.
Maybe we can trade Texas for Mexico? XD I mean, in 5-10 years the majority of this country will be Spanish anyway so why not?
I mean, Texas schools did remove Thomas Jefferson from their history books for asinine reasons...just saying lol.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Why does that have to happen every. single. time? It's almost like they're incompetent.
Hey Rusty. Ready for that Chicago winter?
The "you'll wish you were living in Canada" threat always works with me, man. I honestly can't imagine much worse than that.
The problem is that it's nearly 50/50 to begin with and doesn't seem to be changing too much despite some pretty big changes to demographics in the last decades, I don't get how it's remained almost fully divided like this for so long. It's almost as if... it's rigged that way.
teruterubozu
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Back to Clinton vs. Bush - as if Obama never happened.
A Republican at this current time will never win a Presidency IMO. Especially if Hiliary runs in 2016.
teruterubozu
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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It's almost unbelievable, but that's what's going to happen.
Jeb vs. Hillary. I'd seriously put the odds at 100%.
teruterubozu
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This country is so boringly predictable. I'm just about done with politics.
What the Democratic base thinks is probably irrelevant; what the GOP has failed to realize to date is that "moderates" win an election and doubling down on their principles won't help them. Hillary has huge appeal from centrist voters. She has a decent chance.
teruterubozu
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Yup, that's why many liberal-leaning democrats have a problem with her. She'll make Obama look ultra liberal.
teruterubozu
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She called herself a "blue collar Democrat" in 2008 (as opposed to Obama's idealist liberalism). She went kinda bootstraps.
A blue collar democrat....In other words, a moderate Republican that is ashamed of the clown car that the modern day Republicans trudge out every year.
Thunder Monkey
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No, they are always dim.
They're just occasionally right every once in a while.
Only because Hilairy also has moderate beliefs as well. And you're right, I'm sure Democrats are looking for other alternatives but they will have no choice should Hilairy decide to run and win the primaries.
Fuck the Democratic Party. I'm not one of those smug they're all the same maaaan people, but seriously the Democrats don't really offer anything compelling other than the fact that they're not right wing proto-fascists. So yeah I'm sitting this one out. It's not like my vote matters anyway in such a solidly blue state as NY.
teruterubozu
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I fear that once she goes out there and starts campaigning, people will remember the embarrassments of 2008.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I gave up a while ago.
It's not like we actually have a say in who our leaders will be. And that's no fault but our own. We could. But we're content to let this happen right in front of our faces.
Gotta admit though. Jeb Bush would be a nice change.
Okay, now imagine there are 1000 people that share that exact same opinion out there right now. That number can very quickly grow and eventually, you'll find NY will slowly erode itself into a swing state.
teruterubozu
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No Bush will be no change, that's the point. People are going to look back 100 years from now and think the we were fucking insane. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Hillary Clinton/Jeb Bush-Michelle Obama-Chelsea Clinton-Jenna Bush-etc.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I was messing with you
. I think in 100 years people will look back and realize we weren't quite the democracy we claimed to be. Sounds more like royalty, doesn't it? But, I'd still say that's nobody's fault but our own.
njean777
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I am not surprised. I may be radical, but after reading a lot of philosophy many people in this country shouldn't even be able to vote. I know out forefathers fought for the constitution, but many people that vote today are ignorant of important issues and just listen to anything the media will fill their brains with. I am going to vote this time, but it won't be for either party and will most likely be a write in. Neither side is fighting for what I would want from a government. I like the idea of a democracy/republic but it just takes way to much time to get anything done, and the infighting between both the democrats and republicans (lets not forget the corruption) is just to damaging to our system.
LilWayneSuckz
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So you're willing to let the "right wing proto-facists" assume power, rather than voting? Because thats what will happen if you become complacent.
I live in Virginia and I know one missed vote means the world.
BOTH the American people and the political system are at fault. We could EASILY change shit around by voting genuine people who actually want to help the country, but instead we vote in shitty career politicians. The system is broken because we allow it to stay broken.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Right on.
We may have different ideas of what would "help the country", but the current parties are toxins. I hate them both. I like Rand Paul
exmachina64
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Isn't that how a hereditary monarchy works?
Quinn has done jack shit for this state besides raise the state income tax, as an illinois democrat I cannot wait to vote for rauner.
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