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Canonically, who is the strongest fighter in the Smash Bros universe?
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Some incarnations of Kirby have been shown to be virtually indestructible.
The only thing between Kirby and dispatching pantheons of gods is whether he thinks they have a slice of his cake.
Storm Kyleis
Member
Praise the gods and goddesses how much you want, but Jigglypuff is the only one who can kill by just sleeping.
Oni Link 666
Member
Samus has killed Ridley like 8 times and he's too strong to be in Smash, so it's gotta be Samus.
Shulk, no contest.
If you went through Xenoblade, you know why.
If you went through Xenoblade, you know why.
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Shulk's own Monado is stronger. 
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
Doesn't seem to stop him most of the time. In fact he murders Link even when he has the Master Sword in one of the timelines, at least according to Nintendo. Let's see... (SPOILERS)
ALttP: Master Sword weakened him, Silver Arrows had to put him down.
OoT: Stabbed multiple times as Ganondorf, stabbed multiple times as Ganon, stabbed through the skull and...was barely restrained long enough to be sealed away.
WW: Had the Triforce of Power taken away and the King's wish to bring hope and wash away everything about Hyrule, and still had to be stabbed in the head to be put down.
TP: Exorcised, multiple bites on an open wound, took all of Midna's Fused Shadow in a point-blank attack, shot by Zelda multiple times, stabbed numerous times, run through by the Master Sword and...kept on going. Only the Triforce of Power's removal and Zant spiritually snapping his neck (or whatever that was) actually did the job.
Oracle games: Came back wrong and without any Triforce pieces and severely weakened, and still takes multiple hits from the Master Sword.
Yeah... the Master Sword is great, but it really doesn't seem to do jack all to him. Link always has massive help (and in two cases divine intervention) to actually deal with Ganon. Only the Silver Arrows really work, and only two Links ever had those.
If Ganon has his Triforce of Power, and it was just a one on one with Link, Link loses that fight (again, barring the Silver Arrows). And if Link can't get the job done, I'm not sure who else in the Smash roster can. Ness might be the only one, since he interacts with reality in a different way than the others.
For being the blade of evil's bane, it doesn't seem to work too well on Ganon. Light arrows are even less effective. If he can't be killed by those, how good of a chance does anyone else have?
This is a guy who shrugs off death like it's a cold.
Mango The Magician
Banned
I feel like we should add a few people to the list of those who have killed gods, I mean isn't
Technically a god? I mean he's described as both concurring time itself and as being the source of all monsters/evil, and then there's Dark Gaia and Time Eater, one's the source of all evil and the other has god-like powers over time, and then there's Chaos who is described as being God-like, meaning Link has taken down a
and Sonic's taken down a god of, time, evil, and a super deity of water. This isn't to mention that Sonic can apparently run fast enough not only to time travel, but to physically rewrite and restore history, oh and then there's Iblis and Solaris.
Meaning Sonic's taken down four gods.
Demise
God of evil
Meaning Sonic's taken down four gods.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
I think Demise doesn't even match up to Ganondorf in terms of power, since Ganon has the Triforce of Power backing him while Demise doesn't. As far as the Link argument goes, he would definitely be great at taking out certain enemies, but it's hard to imagine him successfully battling Ness, Mewtwo, or Palutena. I think he'd have trouble managing Samus.
I think you're missing something here
Demise isn't a god, if he was he wouldn't be able to use the Triforce.
Edit: This reminds me, describing someones power by saying that they are a "god" is pretty meaningless, since Hylia was a goddess and obviously not anywhere near as powerful as the Golden Goddesses. Probably not as strong as Demise either, who is not a god.
And_Gignac
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Even Link can slice Kirby in two with the MS.
The answer is Shulk.
The answer is Shulk.
Mango The Magician
Banned
I don't know, isn't Demise suppose to be the basis for Ganon? I mean I think with the ToP he's pretty powerful, but I don't think Ganon is that strong. Plus I mean Sonics still up there.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
ChosenPredator
Banned
Kirby is god tier since he absorbs powers
Sonic's defeated multiple "gods" before, so he's somewhere high on the food chain.
Also this, lol.
Also this, lol.
I'm pretty sure it's Ness.
Earthbound Spoilers
Earthbound Spoilers
Ness can draw on the prayers of people in other universes and even into and beyond fictional universes. In the game, you, the player, pray for him and this gives him power. Theoretically, there are an infinite number of universes in the multiverse, and an infinite number of fictional universes within those universes, which means there is an infinite number of people who could pray for Ness. If every prayer gives him a quantifiable amount of power, then Ness literally has the potential for infinite power.
But wasn't it Paula who prayed? Unless you mean that it was Ness who channeled the power of those prayers. I forgot how it happened exactly.
Nintendoga
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Palutena is a goddess and we've never seen her true power. She could be pretending to fight hard just to get a good laugh with the other fighters.
And for someone who's pretty cute and adorable, Kirby's an indestructible killing machine when he's got the right motivation. His strength varies from time to time (and on how hungry he is)
Rosalina tho, not sure how strong she really is. She did get overthrown by Bowser once, and was powerless to stop him. She's got magical powers that don't seem too much on the strong side.
Never played Xenoblade so I'll take people's word about Shulk being strong as hell. Ganondorf could rank up there too, hasn't it been said if there was no Master Sword Ganondorf would be virtually unstoppable?
And for someone who's pretty cute and adorable, Kirby's an indestructible killing machine when he's got the right motivation. His strength varies from time to time (and on how hungry he is)
Rosalina tho, not sure how strong she really is. She did get overthrown by Bowser once, and was powerless to stop him. She's got magical powers that don't seem too much on the strong side.
Never played Xenoblade so I'll take people's word about Shulk being strong as hell. Ganondorf could rank up there too, hasn't it been said if there was no Master Sword Ganondorf would be virtually unstoppable?
MillionStabs
Banned
Probably Captain Falcon. His punches cut the air and even Marth v1.1 was like "dayum he stronk"
Masquerader
Member
Ness got a HUGE increase in his already exponential power in Brawl, when he destroyed the Porky statue EASILY. Bear in mind that in the game, it has immense amounts of health, and cannot be defeated normally.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
I think you're missing something here
What?
Paula started the prayer. There's a cutscene where everyone you've met prays for you, and then the game asks the player to pray.
DaSorcerer7
Member
Duck hunt dog
So
Ness has the power to reach through the fourth wall and manifest the prayers of other dimensional beings?
I doubt she was fighting for fun when the Chaos Kin had her under its control and from the damage her forces caused when they were following her command she couldn't resist its influence, so she didn't have any hesitation when fighting Pit.
Yeah. A misconception about the Monado is that
it's some kind of time manipulation device. It's not; it manipulates literally anything and everything.
To will Gods out of existence, Shulk literally destroys and recreates the universe.
Let's see:
Ridiculously OP Tier
- Shulk
- Kirby
Godly Tier
- Palutena
- Rosalina
- Ness
- Mewtwo
- Pit
Impressive-in-their-Ultimate-Form Tier
- Sonic
- Ganondorf
- Mario
- Bowser
- Link
- Pac-Man (Prove me wrong if he deserves worse, but he's basically Kirby lite)
- Donkey Kong (Putting him here only because
in DKCR was damn awesome and deserves a tier above all others)
Everyone else probably goes here, and it's hard to judge them since their abilities are so relative. Lucario is probably pretty high since his Mega Form is quite powerful, the Fire Emblem characters can all slay godly/demonic incarnations, specially Ike, but he needs help to do so. ROB and Duck Hunt hardly have anything to go for in their original games, so you can't really place them anywhere. Mr G&W is probably on a tier of his own if we start analizing his games.
Below everyone else is Wii Fit Trainer.
Ridiculously OP Tier
- Shulk
- Kirby
Godly Tier
- Palutena
- Rosalina
- Ness
- Mewtwo
- Pit
Impressive-in-their-Ultimate-Form Tier
- Sonic
- Ganondorf
- Mario
- Bowser
- Link
- Pac-Man (Prove me wrong if he deserves worse, but he's basically Kirby lite)
- Donkey Kong (Putting him here only because
punching the moon out of his orbit
Everyone else probably goes here, and it's hard to judge them since their abilities are so relative. Lucario is probably pretty high since his Mega Form is quite powerful, the Fire Emblem characters can all slay godly/demonic incarnations, specially Ike, but he needs help to do so. ROB and Duck Hunt hardly have anything to go for in their original games, so you can't really place them anywhere. Mr G&W is probably on a tier of his own if we start analizing his games.
Below everyone else is Wii Fit Trainer.
The Triforce left him because he was dying.
Yeah, he stood up again, but he knew he was done for.
So the sword is the one with power ?
Kirby can COPY IT ENTIRELY
edit :
THEORICALY Olimar is as small as a bug ... so WFT can squash him =P
skLaFarebear
Member
SAMUS OBVIOUSLY. Idk I just want my favorite to be the strongest so Lucina, Samus or Zelda.
Earthpainting
Member
Kirby with the Monado is just scary. Especially since Kirby uses his absurd power for the dumbest shit. Half the time he goes on a rampage just for dessert.So the sword is the one with power ?
Kirby can COPY IT ENTIRELY
The sword has power, yeah, but it gets a little more complicated by the end of the game,
as, I believe, Shulk himself becomes a God (or would that be a Demiurge?).
But Shulk could easily neutralize his copying ability (or, hell, destroy and recreate the universe so that there are no Kirbys
), leaving him as nothing but a sentient piece of bubblegum, haha. anotherVegan
Member
Came to post this. Only one man can punch the entire universe.
FreedomFighter
Member
Ganondorf.
He should be even more overpowered than he was in Melee.
He should be even more overpowered than he was in Melee.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
That's pretty subjective. He looked ready to keep going to me until Zant snapped his neck. It's all non-verbal vagueness. Besides, it wouldn't really lessen the impact of everything else I mentioned (being stabbed, shot, bitten, etc in that game, and brushing death off anyways) so I don't really see the point in arguing that detail.
People mentioning kirby forget about the fact that he's only a few inches tall and gets made bigger in Smash. Because of that, he wouldn't be able to inhale anything aside from things around his original size. If he was bigger, sure he'd be OP but he's not.
Also Ike and Marth have killed gods and Robin is somewhat in that area as well. Shulk is still probably the strongest though since the monado is broken as hell.
Also Ike and Marth have killed gods and Robin is somewhat in that area as well. Shulk is still probably the strongest though since the monado is broken as hell.
Nope, he was dying and he was aware of it, his last words wouldn't make sense otherwise. The cut dialog makes it even more obvious.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
With or without final smashes? Because Super Sonic man
sixteen-bit
Member
They need to make a Smash with Bayonetta in it so it can be her.
You might want to keep an eye on the Death Battle videos in the near future...
Linkstrikesback
Member
Being able to be revived and tough to kill vs Shulk who can see the future, but more importantly
literally rewrite reality as he sees fit
You're right, it is no contest.