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Why is it so acceptable to speed?
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but...muh ticket revenue!
Skellig Gra
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Commute for a couple years and you'll understand. Its just a grind.
NEOPARADIGM
Banned
As a general rule I drive 4 over.
On the freeway I double that.
So, 39 in a 35, 44 in a 40, 54 in a 50, etc., and then 78 in a 70, 73 in a 65, etc.
Faster than that I get nervous. Fuck getting pulled over.
On the freeway I double that.
So, 39 in a 35, 44 in a 40, 54 in a 50, etc., and then 78 in a 70, 73 in a 65, etc.
Faster than that I get nervous. Fuck getting pulled over.
I tend to just look out for cops and make sure to spot any undercover ones as well. At the end of the day it's all game of acquiring revenue for the county. That's when I went to court they didn't care about the points and crap as long as they got the money.
WeAreStarStuff
Member
Yeah; somehow I've never had a speeding ticket.
charlequin
Banned
And furthermore, the relentless emphasis on speed as the primary ticketable offense means these people who are actually driving dangerously are less likely to be ticketed than safe, careful drivers exceeding the limit.
The thing is that people still ignore school zone speed limits (and why wouldn't they, since speed limits in general are archaic and misguided.) The right strategy is to design roads that actually push people to lower speeds by their design, and build schools off the road a bit instead of right next to giant thoroughfares that serve major traffic needs.
The whole of Upstate is like the world's single biggest speed trap.
Sho_Nuff82
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Exactly this. If you're in the far left lane only going the same speed as everyone else, you're not "passing", so leave.
Generally for highways, the acceptable max limit = Speed limit + 10-15 mph
For normal roadways, speed limit + 5-10mph
For school zones, speed limit or below.
The passing lane is for passing, not for going with the flow. There are three other lanes for going with or below the flow of traffic. If you are in the passing lane and there are a gang of cars bunching up behind you, it's because you are going too slow. Lack of speed differentials in lanes actually makes it more difficult for people to get in the appropriate lanes for exiting, as they can get boxed in.
Scooter155
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Nope, two-lane highways in my area and tons of on-ramps and slow moving trucks in the right lane. I only use the left lane to pass, spend all the rest of my time in the slow lane, but even then, I get drivers on my tail every single day riding WAY too close (because that helps) trying to urge me to get over faster. If I could, I would, and you're an asshole if your own and other people's safety means so little to you.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Congrats, right lane is for you. Sometimes I need to drive the speed limit or a little slower. Sometimes I just don't want to go fast. That's what the right lane is for.
I hate when traffic is trying to move and is stuck between two 18 wheelers and the ONE guy in the fast lane that wants to do 55.
Where I live:
40+ limit = 10 over
35 and below usually 5 over.
Where I have family in California though, that isn't enough. You just have to get a feel for it. If you're going the speed limit at 60 and everyone is passing you at 75, you need to speed up. Whether you think that's wrong isn't an issue at that point, you going 15 slower than the rest of traffic is causing risk to yourself and everyone else. Go with the flow of traffic and keep a reasonable follow distance for the speed you are going and taking into account whether people in the right lane may be slowing down to make a turn. Accidents are caused by differential travel speeds, if we all drove the same speed and didn't stop there wouldn't be any rear end crashes. The idiots that can't stay in their lane, they'll still be idiots.
40+ limit = 10 over
35 and below usually 5 over.
Where I have family in California though, that isn't enough. You just have to get a feel for it. If you're going the speed limit at 60 and everyone is passing you at 75, you need to speed up. Whether you think that's wrong isn't an issue at that point, you going 15 slower than the rest of traffic is causing risk to yourself and everyone else. Go with the flow of traffic and keep a reasonable follow distance for the speed you are going and taking into account whether people in the right lane may be slowing down to make a turn. Accidents are caused by differential travel speeds, if we all drove the same speed and didn't stop there wouldn't be any rear end crashes. The idiots that can't stay in their lane, they'll still be idiots.
thecouncil
Banned
I drive the speed limit because I'm a sadist.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Impeding flow of traffic by going the limit is magnitudes more dangerous than speeding and going with flow of traffic.
They made a simple solution, go slow -> right lane, go fast -> left lane.
Going the same speed as someone to the right of you with others behind you -> move to right.
Going faster than multiple cars in front of you -> go left.
If you're driving in a populated area, don't be a fucking asshole and slow down to a reasonable speed, usually 5+ speed limit. Open area with minimal blind turns and population, 10+. Highways, see above.
They made a simple solution, go slow -> right lane, go fast -> left lane.
Going the same speed as someone to the right of you with others behind you -> move to right.
Going faster than multiple cars in front of you -> go left.
If you're driving in a populated area, don't be a fucking asshole and slow down to a reasonable speed, usually 5+ speed limit. Open area with minimal blind turns and population, 10+. Highways, see above.
a secret-boss
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Scooter155
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Read my last comment, I only use the left lane for passing. People driving too damn close to other cars to "encourage" them to move over causes a lot of the traffic problems we have. It's not safe, it's against the law, and it's rude, and it's completely acceptable to (apparently) the majority of drivers.
https://seriousaccidents.com/legal-advice/top-causes-of-car-accidents/ Leading Causes of Car Accidents - Number 2? Speeding. Not Appearing On This List? Driving the Speed Limit.
Scooter155
Member
Congrats, right lane is for you. Sometimes I need to drive the speed limit or a little slower. Sometimes I just don't want to go fast. That's what the right lane is for.
I hate when traffic is trying to move and is stuck between two 18 wheelers and the ONE guy in the fast lane that wants to do 55.
Since you're ignoring it just for fun - I only use the left lane to pass. The second I can get out of the way of idiots who are tailgating me, I do.
People still drive inches away from my bumper because they're morons who think that that will get them where they're going faster, when really all it does is endanger my family. I have every right to be pissed off at you if you endanger my family for the sake of your convenience.
Mammoth Jones
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Tailgating and speeding are two completely different issues. One can be done without the other.
I don't like tailgating either and I tend to just move over when that happens rather than let my pride get in the way when I'm on the road.
Just pointing out the irony of complaining about trucks going too slow...maybe they want to go the speed limit too....
evilromero
Member
Gotta match speeds with the car to my right or maximum agitation can't be reached. Create that punishing "boxed in" effect.
charlequin
Banned
This is the basic problem of why two-lane thoroughfares are awful (as anyone who's ever driven through New York State can attest.) When you have 3+ lanes, you have room for olds and 18-wheelers in the right lane, normal people slightly speeding in the middle, and crazy nuts with fresh new sports cars in the left; traffic doesn't get tangled up until the road gets really full.
On the two lane roads, you get the exact dynamic described here -- the right lane is (correctly) full of slowpokes, but people who want to go 75 get dangerously tailgated when they move left to pass by the people who want to go 90.
Vermillion
Banned
Yeah, I was pretty sure the rule was 5 over/5 under is legal. Not 10%.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
They should all be in the right lane unless overtaking, no exceptions. They should also move into the right lane when someone comes up behind them.
This is what isn't being taught in driver's ed. It's basic shit.
A large portion of this goes to poor road design, and how we set speed limits during/after the design process. We see a path in front of us and our minds automatically do calculations on road width, potential obstacles, cross-traffic, etc. Engineers design a road to certain specs, while policymakers set speeds that don't necessarily correspond to those specs.
The speed limit might be the law, but it isn't always properly set. Or, the desired speed might be decided..but the road is not designed accordingly. It all adds up.
The speed limit might be the law, but it isn't always properly set. Or, the desired speed might be decided..but the road is not designed accordingly. It all adds up.
HOMEBOY OVER HERE
Banned
That's a damn lie. Anybody who has ever had to speed to work knows this.
User 73706
Banned
Muffdraul
Member
My blood pressure went up just reading this bullshit. People like you should just take the fucking bus.
To me, it's about driving at a comfortable speed where I don't feel like I'm crawling not about getting somewhere faster.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
For me it's not about saving time, at all. It's simply a matter of driving at a speed that is appropriate and comfortable for the road I'm on.
No, there isn't enough room around here for everybody to be in the right lane when they're not passing. What you're saying sounds sensible on paper but is actively bad advice for certain roads.
OP,
There are 2 types of Laws: regular laws and gray laws. Regular laws, under normal circumstances people won't break these laws. These are GTA, Murder, Robbery.
Then you have gray laws. Which people via as no harm, no foul. Piracy and speeding are types of gray laws. People know it's wrong, they just don't care.
Yesterday my brother was going ten miles over the speed limit on a two-lane road and a guy in a giant pickup came roaring up behind us, doing at least ten miles faster than we were going. When he finally got around us he flipped us off and proceeded to do an illegal turn. I don't understand people sometimes.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
When the traffic reaches a certain density, of course this is unavoidable, the roads just fill up. I don't think I would go as far as to say it's bad advice though...
Maybe where you live, but not in California and many other places. Literally nobody does this in California, in part because on most two-lane highways (primarily Highway 5), the right lane is so slow due to trucks that there's no reason for a car to be in it 90% of the time. You're always passing on that road (and everyone's going 90). And on a multilane freeway, all lanes are used, period. The left lane is not a passing lane on the West coast.
Muffdraul
Member
Anyone who lives in LA knows that the "left lane is for passing only" stopped being a thing 40 years ago. It's simply not viable around here. Ever.
thezerofire
Banned
Yep this. The amount of times I drive on a two lane highway in California is minuscule too, almost all of them are 3+ lanes per side
I think people who aren't using the left lanes to pass are actually way more disruptive to the flow of traffic. Of course speeding is an inclusion when factoring car accidents. It's easy to blame. I see wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more accidents during rush hour traffic where traffic is a crawl. You think reports will state that slow speeds were the cause? No.
Speed limits should definitely be enforced in residential areas, but it makes little sense on the highway.
Speed limits should definitely be enforced in residential areas, but it makes little sense on the highway.
UncleCross
Member
Exactly.
As long as the people in the left lane are going faster than the people to their right, nothing is being disrupted. Slower drivers wandering out into the middle lanes are by far the most disruptive and dangerous situations you encounter on most highways, because they create an obstacle for all the normal speed drivers to avoid. As the river of traffic parts to get around the obstacle, the chances of an accident go up drastically. Slower drivers are always more dangerous to more people. A dickhead going 100 is near you for a split second. A dickhead going 40 on a 65 mph freeway is a danger to literally every car behind him, whether they're speeding or obeying the limit to the digit.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
I understand the situation completely. I've driven in every condition imaginable, this is not new to me. But the left lane is still for passing, and you should move over if possible to let people behind you past.
And again, yes I understand that sometimes the road is completely full. LA is a fucking nightmare, some of the worst traffic in the world. I know sometimes it doesn't apply.
Going above an arbitrary number designed for the purposes of revenue does not make one reckless.
Muffdraul
Member
Robot Pants
Member
Cause people have lives to live and don't want to spend it sitting in a car getting to their destinations.
Not saying we need to be going 80 everywhere, but come on. Some people just need to get out of the way. It causes other people to do stupid and dangerous things to try to get around them.
Not saying we need to be going 80 everywhere, but come on. Some people just need to get out of the way. It causes other people to do stupid and dangerous things to try to get around them.
I`ve been spoiled by driving in Germany. Most people drive better. Its less furstrating, faster and it just feels safer. Hell people seem to actually look at traffic and take into account other people.
Roads signs seem optimally placed and warn you of upcoming hazards while driving fast. Allowing for a better driving experience.
Its fast, non frustrating and predictable. Like it should be imo.
Belgian btw. Driving here can be a serious pita and stay away from Brussels. Any rules there seem guidelines. Its like a fight to get out of the city alive.
I`ll take a 5 hour drive to Berlin over an hour in Brussels.
Roads signs seem optimally placed and warn you of upcoming hazards while driving fast. Allowing for a better driving experience.
Its fast, non frustrating and predictable. Like it should be imo.
Belgian btw. Driving here can be a serious pita and stay away from Brussels. Any rules there seem guidelines. Its like a fight to get out of the city alive.
I`ll take a 5 hour drive to Berlin over an hour in Brussels.
breakfuss
Member
Sho_Nuff82
Member
A 30 mile trip is a lot faster at 80 vs 60.
As long as you're not in the passing/left lane you can do what want. Don't be that driver that parks it on the left/passing lane when others want to pass.
Seen it far too many times some schmuck going 50-55mph in the left lane getting mad when the state trooper flashes their lights and pulls them over. Move to the right lane, let them pass and when it's clear then you can go back over to the left.
Seen it far too many times some schmuck going 50-55mph in the left lane getting mad when the state trooper flashes their lights and pulls them over. Move to the right lane, let them pass and when it's clear then you can go back over to the left.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I never speed in built up areas where pedestrians are about.
On a dual carriageway I tend to go 60MPH.
Single lane roads varies depending on how well I know the road.
Motorways I usually sit at 80MPH and happily speed up to 100MPH+ for short periods of I see no danger in doing so.
The 70MPH limit on UK motorways should be raised imo. Car safety is much much much higher than when the limit was set in 1965.
It should be raised to at least 85MPH imo.
Also I agree with this:
If I'm driving on a pretty empty motorway after 11PM at night I should be allowed to go as fast as I deem safe.
The Germans have a good thing going with the autobahn.
On a dual carriageway I tend to go 60MPH.
Single lane roads varies depending on how well I know the road.
Motorways I usually sit at 80MPH and happily speed up to 100MPH+ for short periods of I see no danger in doing so.
The 70MPH limit on UK motorways should be raised imo. Car safety is much much much higher than when the limit was set in 1965.
It should be raised to at least 85MPH imo.
Also I agree with this:
If I'm driving on a pretty empty motorway after 11PM at night I should be allowed to go as fast as I deem safe.
The Germans have a good thing going with the autobahn.
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