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Road
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(01-06-2015, 03:49 PM)


source: famitsu.com/news/201501/06069057.html

Also, best selling games and hardware translated by hiska-kun:

Famitsu Top 10 2014

01. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (4.937) - 3,050,178
02. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (4.937) - 2,464,850
03. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (6.264) - 2,381,177
04. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (5.616) - 2,066,022
05. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.12.13} (4.968) - 2,007,327
06. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} (4.800) - 994,346 / 1,280,799
07. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (6.156) - 842,053
08. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters 2: Iru to Ruka no Fushigi na Fushigi na Kagi # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.02.06} (5.490) - 748,139
09. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (4.800) - 687,957
10. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (7.776) - 478,366

Hardware 2014:

3DS - 3,153,045 / 17,847,056
PSV - 1,147,936 / 3,423,075
PS4 - 925,570
Wii U - 604,856 / 2,123,283
PS3 - 450,034 / 10,018,534
One - 45,958

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Spineker
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(01-06-2015, 03:49 PM)
Those are some terrifying numbers for people who love Japanese games. Maybe Square will have the last laugh after all
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The rate of decline in the face of mobile - and mobile's stratospheric rise in comparison - has been very stark.
Foffy
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(01-06-2015, 03:50 PM)
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It's been argued that in Japan, the console market is going the way of the dodo.

It really looks like it is. ):
Psycho_Mantis
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FFXV will save everyone
Sir TapTap
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(01-06-2015, 03:51 PM)
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Urg, still kinda hope PS4 can kick it in the ass a bit, needs those japanese games first though. Some good stuff this year though.
darkside31337
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(01-06-2015, 03:52 PM)
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PS4 being over 18.5 million sold worldwide while not even 1 million in Japan kind of says everything.
HawthorneKitty
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(01-06-2015, 03:52 PM)
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Originally Posted by Psycho_Mantis

FFXV will save everyone

Yup, they can't resist it and KH.
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(01-06-2015, 03:53 PM)
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Originally Posted by Psycho_Mantis

FFXV will save everyone

Originally Posted by HawthorneKitty

Yup, they can't resist it and KH.

You can make a similar graph to the OP using mainline Final Fantasy sales in Japan.
djplaeskool
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(01-06-2015, 03:54 PM)
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Originally Posted by Sir TapTap

Urg, still kinda hope PS4 can kick it in the ass a bit, needs those japanese games first though. Some good stuff this year though.

There's a nice flow of titles starting this quarter and going through the summer.
We shall see.
dragonfart28
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Originally Posted by darkside31337

PS4 being over 18.5 million sold worldwide while not even 1 million in Japan kind of says everything.

I think it was a smart move by Sony to shift their focus to the Western markets until things pick up.

I'm not confident they will change much in Japan though.
Xer0
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(01-06-2015, 03:55 PM)
Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?
Xater
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This is probably also why colabs like SF5 are the future if you want to see any big Japanese titles on consoles.

Originally Posted by Xer0

Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?

No.
Vitacat
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3DS isn't doing too bad...? Hopefully that means continued support for a few more years.
Bomber Bob
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iOS Domination
Spineker
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Originally Posted by Xer0

Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?

I guess Japanese people are just so on the go constantly that mobile games are just more convenient for them. Plus, their aging population probably doesn't help
AcademicSaucer
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So long japanese home console games ?
Bruno MB
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That's the only logical outcome when every year there are fewer and fewer new releases.
BigDug13
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(01-06-2015, 03:58 PM)
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Originally Posted by dragonfart28

I think it was a smart move by Sony to shift their focus to the Western markets until things pick up.

I'm not confident they will change much in Japan though.

Japanese console devs need to shift their focus to those markets too. Or shift to mobile.
DaBuddaDa
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(01-06-2015, 03:58 PM)
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~19% drop since 2011? I honestly thought it would have been even worse than that.
Spineker
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Originally Posted by AcademicSaucer

So long japanese home console games ?

Probably in another 5 to 10 years, so pretty much this generation might be the last, which makes Nintendo's position that much more interesting. Will they shut up shop in Japan completely and take their operations to the west?
Griss
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(01-06-2015, 03:58 PM)
They were riding so high in 2007, the very same year that the iPhone released. God dammit smartphones.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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Those numbers are disheartening to say the least. At least the 3DS is doing fairly well, and there's life in Vita yet...
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(01-06-2015, 03:59 PM)
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Originally Posted by Spineker

Probably in another 5 to 10 years, so pretty much this generation might be the last, which makes Nintendo's position that much more interesting. Will they shut up shop in Japan completely and take their operations to the west?

Guys...
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Originally Posted by Xer0

Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?

Most of the big earners are out here too.

The top drivers are titles like Puzzle & Dragons, Monster Strike, and Quiz RPG.

You can go download them even on the US store if you're interested in seeing what they're like.
Neifirst
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Isn't this primarily demographic driven? The DS and Wii expanded the market for a time, but the 3DS is primarily focused on the core audience, which just isn't as big as the 80s and 90s.
Spineker
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Originally Posted by DrWong

Guys...

I said might, but the trend is only going one way and eventually, the numbers become unsustainable.
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Originally Posted by DaBuddaDa

~19% drop since 2011? I honestly thought it would have been even worse than that.

Hardware costs went up with the newer systems being released even if they're doing less units, while the games revenue consistently kept going down.

There's potential to look more grim as these systems are all past launch and on the price decline road now.
ASIS
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(01-06-2015, 04:00 PM)
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Do you guys think 2015 will plummet even further or will it stabilize at this rate?
InsaneZero
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(01-06-2015, 04:01 PM)
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Originally Posted by Vitacat

3DS isn't doing too bad...? Hopefully that means continued support for a few more years.

The problem is not necessarily the 3DS, but the fact that everything else has pretty much collapsed.
MLH
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(01-06-2015, 04:01 PM)
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I'd be interested to see a breakdown of handheld and home console markets rather than combined figures.
Seeing weekly sales figures for the past several years I can comfortably say the home console market has shrunk in Japan. Whereas I'm willing to bet the Handheld market (while reduced from DS & PSP levels) has fared much better.
Dark_castle
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(01-06-2015, 04:02 PM)
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If FFXV couldn't save PS4 in Japan, nothing will.

Never mind, forgot about DQXI.
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danmaku
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Move to PC, Japanese devs. We have cookies.
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Morpheus will save Japan, believe!
Opus Angelorum
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Originally Posted by Sir TapTap

Urg, still kinda hope PS4 can kick it in the ass a bit, needs those japanese games first though. Some good stuff this year though.

I'm not sure how you can have any hope for the PS4 in Japan after looking at these numbers.
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Originally Posted by Xer0

Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?

Japanese people are frequently on the go. With mobile gaming (whether handheld or smartphone) getting more advanced and accessible, it's no wonder people are playing less at home.
metareferential
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At this point dedicated gaming consoles are just preventing games from coming to smartphones (read: get the exposure they need/deserve), rather than being the last bastion for "serious" portable gaming.

Should developers just abandon consoles altogether? Or at least - as long as consoles are available - make the games completely multiplatform.

It can't be that hard or expensive porting a game to iOS/Android, or is it?

Originally Posted by danmaku

Move to PC, Japanese devs. We have cookies.

Also this.
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nikos
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What shocks me even more is that 1990 was 24 years ago.
Philippo
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Let's hope the smartphone craze it's just a (huge) bubble that will soon explode and make everyone going back to consoles.
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Originally Posted by Neifirst

Isn't this primarily demographic driven? The DS and Wii expanded the market for a time, but the 3DS is primarily focused on the core audience, which just isn't as big as the 80s and 90s.

That's probably part of it. A big part of the DS's appeal in Japan was Touch! Generations and non-gamesoft. That stuff has wholesale moved over to phones.

It's low but honestly I saw 3DS everywhere last time I was in Tokyo so I don't think games are in any danger of dying over there. It's just going to be different. The market is pretty plainly 99% handheld at this point, and unless some mega popular (MH level) game comes out the Vita is basically doomed to be an also-ran. And since 3DS is the only viable system hardware sales will be low since basically everyone already has a 3DS.
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Originally Posted by Dark_castle

If FFXV couldn't save PS4 in Japan, nothing will.

FFXV is not going to be here for a while, so it's not in the position to be 'saving' the PS4 now anyway.
Zalman
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These are dark times, where the Japanese market has been reduced to rubble, and it's up to us to restore it to its former glory.
Spineker
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Originally Posted by Philippo

Let's hope the smartphone craze it's just a (huge) bubble that will soon explode and make everyone going back to consoles.

Not likely. I sold 10 iPad Mini's at work yesterday. Apple has the whole fucking world wrapped around their finger
ChryZ
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Japan used to be so cool :'(

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Originally Posted by Xer0

Is there a TL/DR version of why console gaming over there has plummeted so hard?

Like, are they getting unbelievable mobile games over there that we, in the west, aren't?

Someone clarify this but Japanese job market is EXTREMELY cutthroat right now so people aren't sitting around playing consoles as much. That, coupled with the long commutes via public transportation, has consumers in Japan shifting towards mobile.
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I think the words of Phil Fish really hurt their feelings.
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The dream is dead.
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Originally Posted by BigDug13

Japanese console devs need to shift their focus to those markets too. Or shift to mobile.

Only as long as it means they focus on releasing in the West first and not adopting Western design philosophies. I don't want my Japanese games to go away.

Originally Posted by metareferential

At this point dedicated gaming consoles are just preventing games from coming to smartphones (read: get the exposure they need/deserve), rather than being the last bastion for "serious" portable gaming.

The problem is porting stuff that would normally go on a console/handheld 9/10 times is awful because they just port the game slap some virtual thumbsticks on it and call it a day. Design from the ground up for it, not port stuff like that. Plus they're limited in what they can actually be developign on mobile. You wouldn't see MH4U with all the verticality, on mobile, for example, because you can't cover the entire screen with all those virtual buttons.

The TWEWY port is a good example of a mobile port done right, because they changed the control scheme to one more suitable for touch only devices.
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KillerMan91
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This gets rarely mentioned but aside from mobile taking bigger part of the cake Japan has also huge demographics problems and it's probably already starting to affect gaming market. They have shrinking population and especially the amount of people between 0-25 is shrinking a lot every year.
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Originally Posted by Philippo

Let's hope the smartphone craze it's just a (huge) bubble that will soon explode and make everyone going back to consoles.

Very unlikely.

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