I want to see Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit in all of your videos "Mr. Sterling's Neighborhood" could be a hit.
im down to Kickstar this only if Trolly has William Defoe's face and says various lines at random
I want to see Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit in all of your videos "Mr. Sterling's Neighborhood" could be a hit.
Hi, you might be new to the world of video production! Let me and my friend Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit help you out!
"Hi, I'm Flopsy Flopflop, I'll be your special friend!"
I hope this helps you out. <3
Now I'm all for taking an opportunity for criticising Jim's shoddy journalism, but mistakes do happen especially with how fast new information spreads on the Internet and Jim has taken steps to correct his video, so your complaints are pretty much unwarranted at this point.
There is nothing good that comes from this in the long term. On the surface, it looks all fine and dandy, though. I mean, we're getting Shenmue 3 and we probably wouldn't be getting that if Yu Suzuki/Sony hadn't offset the risk of funding development by leveraging Kickstarter.
The problem, to me, is this:
Big publishers aren't going anywhere. Your Activisions, Ubisofts, EAs, etc.. already see the potential in a platform like Kickstarter and we'd be fools to think they won't take advantage of it. You're not going to see any paradigm shift in the way games are funded, but you will see a shift in the way games are developed/sold to us.
You think pre-order culture is bad today, just wait until those pre-orders go directly to the publisher and directly impact game development! You wanted Zombies in Black Ops 4? Well tough sizzles, we didn't hit 5 million on the Kickstarter. It's your own fault, you know. Maybe you should've bumped that pledge.
Oh, and you signed up for that EA mailer? Well, we're making Mass Effect 5 and we're going to let you know daily that the game needs your help. If we don't hit 15 million on the Kickstarter by the 13th of this month, you won't be able to make a female character. Also, I know we pitched it as having 15 planets you can visit, but we ran a bit over budget so we're going to need you guys to kick in another 750,000 or you're only going to get 10 planets. Sorry, game development budgets are so hard! We don't want to see anyone complaining on social media either. I mean, after all, we're doing exactly what you tell us to do, right?
I mean, god I hope I'm wrong with that stuff, but I don't see any way that non-indie development leverages Kickstarter in a way that doesn't completely screw us over.
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who would win in a fight Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit or Yarny? I have to know for reasons
Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit
Only if it goes all [Adult Swim] half way through and then ends in an extreme zoom up Miniature Fantasy William Dafoe's face screaming 'HEY KIDS, WANA DIE?!' (moutg rendered in syncro-vox) at the end of each such video.I want to see Flopsy Flopflop The Floppy Rabbit in all of your videos "Mr. Sterling's Neighborhood" could be a hit.
See above. Video pulled due to ongoing story.Is the video private for anyone else?
Is the video private for anyone else?
Full context (read backwards):
There is nothing good that comes from this in the long term. On the surface, it looks all fine and dandy, though. I mean, we're getting Shenmue 3 and we probably wouldn't be getting that if Yu Suzuki/Sony hadn't offset the risk of funding development by leveraging Kickstarter.
The problem, to me, is this:
Big publishers aren't going anywhere. Your Activisions, Ubisofts, EAs, etc.. already see the potential in a platform like Kickstarter and we'd be fools to think they won't take advantage of it. You're not going to see any paradigm shift in the way games are funded, but you will see a shift in the way games are developed/sold to us.
You think pre-order culture is bad today, just wait until those pre-orders go directly to the publisher and directly impact game development! You wanted Zombies in Black Ops 4? Well tough sizzles, we didn't hit 5 million on the Kickstarter. It's your own fault, you know. Maybe you should've bumped that pledge.
Oh, and you signed up for that EA mailer? Well, we're making Mass Effect 5 and we're going to let you know daily that the game needs your help. If we don't hit 15 million on the Kickstarter by the 13th of this month, you won't be able to make a female character. Also, I know we pitched it as having 15 planets you can visit, but we ran a bit over budget so we're going to need you guys to kick in another 750,000 or you're only going to get 10 planets. Sorry, game development budgets are so hard! We don't want to see anyone complaining on social media either. I mean, after all, we're doing exactly what you tell us to do, right?
I mean, god I hope I'm wrong with that stuff, but I don't see any way that non-indie development leverages Kickstarter in a way that doesn't completely screw us over.
Of course they won't. I don't tell you how much I pay for stuff, why should they? It's none of your/I/whomever's business.
macewank: You will be in for a shocker if you think that random serialized franchises will be able to hold hostage the fans money, or if it would be in any way, shape or form Shenmue 3's fault.
As I said again: the need for Shenmue 3 to happen is an unprecedented need, with a scale incomparable to see a zombies mode in COD, which is already a black ops selling point. They are not stupid, they make MUCH more money already by simply using season passes. Do the math.
slippery slope fallacy par exellence
why the fuck would ea and activision waste time with kickstarters on hit franchises
Yarny of course. I hear Flopsy is a no-good cheat at boxing and feeds his opponents to pigs, but he's also a huge coward
New video rendering. Don't worry, it's nothing too major. I just removed the outdated stuff and provided a better explanation of Sony's involvement.
What the Shenmue Defense Force *won't* like is the fact that the fresh edit allowed me to rail on Suzuki's "actually guys, we reeeeally need ten million" development. It's not like I am unfair or linger on it too much, but I'm glad I got to add it.
Episode should be available soon. Please understand.
Of course they won't. I don't tell you how much I pay for stuff, why should they? It's none of your/I/whomever's business.
True, it's a bit of a pipedream, but considering how much crowdfunding depends on trusting the creators I'd say transparency is more crucial than in those other examples. (But to be fair, by now they imo are also more transparent than MS on Tomb Raider for example)
He never said that, Jim. What he did during is AMA on reddit was a breakdown of what he can a achieve depending on the funds available. All he said was that with 10 million he can make a true open world, and that's what the fans are now striving for.
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.He never said that, Jim. What he did during is AMA on reddit was a breakdown of what he can a achieve depending on the funds available. All he said was that with 10 million he can make a true open world, and that's what the fans are now striving for.
About securing other partners while Kickstarter campaigns are on-going, that is hardly a a new thing. I don't remember they disclosing details about those partnerships either. Why the commotion just now? No wonder Shenmue fans are being over protective, they've waited 14 years for this.
Also, this being Sony third party relations team I'm whiling to bet their involvement isn't much different from every other deal they have with indies to have their console debut on PlayStation.
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You're fighting phantoms here. When this actually starts happening, then you can start arguing about how bad it is, because lots of us with be with you. Until then, relax.
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.
That's like saying don't go to the dentist until you have tooth pain.
See above. Video pulled due to ongoing story.
The kickstarter made it's 'goal' before we knew anything about the scope and funding. When it went live we heard it was just to 'judge interest' with other companies (sony) being the backbone. It broke records and then suddenly the message changes and has to be clarified by Sony and Yu. Then we hear that a record breaking Kickstarter won't be enough to get fans the 'real' Shemue that they want.
Messaging seems to be the primary issue. Which do you see as the better option? Starting a 10m kickstarter or having the game people want to be a stretch goal?
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.
That's like saying don't go to the dentist until you have tooth pain.
Eh, not quite, there's no precedent for something negative to develop here other than paranoia (whereas there is precedent that getting an annual/biannual visit to the dentist is a good thing). No big group has shown any interest in trying to use Kickstarter to fund a game. However I see where you're coming from.
I don't think people realize how little money there is in KS to major gaming companies.
The problem, to me, is this:
Big publishers aren't going anywhere. Your Activisions, Ubisofts, EAs, etc.. already see the potential in a platform like Kickstarter and we'd be fools to think they won't take advantage of it. You're not going to see any paradigm shift in the way games are funded, but you will see a shift in the way games are developed/sold to us.
You think pre-order culture is bad today, just wait until those pre-orders go directly to the publisher and directly impact game development! You wanted Zombies in Black Ops 4? Well tough sizzles, we didn't hit 5 million on the Kickstarter. It's your own fault, you know. Maybe you should've bumped that pledge.
Oh, and you signed up for that EA mailer? Well, we're making Mass Effect 5 and we're going to let you know daily that the game needs your help. If we don't hit 15 million on the Kickstarter by the 13th of this month, you won't be able to make a female character. Also, I know we pitched it as having 15 planets you can visit, but we ran a bit over budget so we're going to need you guys to kick in another 750,000 or you're only going to get 10 planets. Sorry, game development budgets are so hard! We don't want to see anyone complaining on social media either. I mean, after all, we're doing exactly what you tell us to do, right?
I mean, god I hope I'm wrong with that stuff, but I don't see any way that non-indie development leverages Kickstarter in a way that doesn't completely screw us over.
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.
Continuing the story was always the main goal and I think that no fan realistically expects a game in the same scope of the first two with a budget of $2m. Hence the question on the AMA, people really wanted to know how much it would be needed to achieve that. But make no mistake, at least for the fans, there are no expectations not being met. Fears of "Shenmue Lite" as you call it exist only because the fans are afraid all this negative buzz may impact the campaign.
Looking at KS most-funded list for video games, yeah expectations were out of whack.Continuing the story was always the main goal and I think that no fan realistically expects a game in the same scope of the first two with a budget of $2m. Hence the question on the AMA, people really wanted to know how much it would be needed to achieve that. But make no mistake, at least for the fans, there are no expectations not being met.
The kickstarter made it's 'goal' before we knew anything about the scope and funding. When it went live we heard it was just to 'judge interest' with other companies (sony) being the backbone. It broke records and then suddenly the message changes and has to be clarified by Sony and Yu. Then we hear that a record breaking Kickstarter won't be enough to get fans the 'real' Shemue that they want.
Messaging seems to be the primary issue. Which do you see as the better option? Starting a 10m kickstarter or having the game people want to be a stretch goal?
I am aware, but it's still leverage. The pressure from fans to upgrade pledges and the fears of "Shenmue Lite" are pretty out of hand. I'm not a fan of the way that was dropped.
Why is some of the footage polygonal creatures humping the camera!? I feel confused and scared by this.
Don't be, embrace it.Why is some of the footage polygonal creatures humping the camera!? I feel confused and scared by this.
Judging by the panic and the people who think the KS is now "limping" because it's "only" at over three million right now, I'll see you on that wager, and I'll win it.The edit really makes Jim look foolish. Hes trying to be harder on the game and developers. Id wager almost everyone who crowdfunded the game and has the smallest knowledge of game development knew the initial KS was just to get the ball rolling.
But why do that? They could have launched their own crowdfunding page with the goals clearly listed out.The edit really makes Jim look foolish. Hes trying to be harder on the game and developers. Id wager almost everyone who crowdfunded the game and has the smallest knowledge of game development knew the initial KS was just to get the ball rolling.
Judging by the panic and the people who think the KS is now "limping" because it's "only" at over three million right now, I'll see you on that wager, and I'll win it.
The edit is on point, my friend.
The edit really makes Jim look foolish. Hes trying to be harder on the game and developers. Id wager almost everyone who crowdfunded the game and has the smallest knowledge of game development knew the initial KS was just to get the ball rolling.
Its going to take what 2 yearsish to get the game out? More than enough time to hit the goal. 3 mill made in less than a week. No, you wont win that wager.
Its going to take what 2 yearsish to get the game out? More than enough time to hit the goal. 3 mill made in less than a week. No, you wont win that wager.