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Xbox One is selling exceptionally well, but...
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Sword Of Doom
Member
Exactly. They completely dominated the US and UK last gen. They've lost a lot of ground so far so they can't be too happy and it shows with how aggressively they're trying to make the XB1 attractive to consumers
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Paracelsus
Member
You're making a bigger deal than it is. They knew they couldn't do it outside the USA, because they saw what happened last gen and this time they were at a high disadvantage which made it all the more obvious. In the United States they're doing fine and it wouldn't be shocking if they were to overtake PS4 sooner or later, though not as strongly as last gen but I guess it's bound to happen.
They want to gain marketshare so they don't lose when it comes to sales for the next big multiplatform game.
Lately as in all the 180's and fast updates to give the gamers what they want?
Lately as in all the 180's and fast updates to give the gamers what they want?
Lately as in TitanFall bundles and price drop in UK.
Isn't that a good thing though? They know they overpriced it and trying to make amends before the big price cut happen at E3.
Isn't that the premise of the thread? 4million for $500 system. Did they overprice it? In the hindsight you are going to say that: "yes they over priced because it is selling less than PS4". However, it did sell 4 million, which I did not think it was going to do.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
If MS was satisfied with the sales, then why are they bundling their big sellers for free, and why did they cut the price in the UK? I dont think its living up to MS's expectations, and MS's lose revenue from Live will be a huge blow for MS.
freefornow
Gold Member
Xbox 1 seems to be doing well sales wise considering it's only launched in 13? countries.
I have not followed this very closely, but are any of the other countries that they are yet to launch in considered "big" for sales?
I have not followed this very closely, but are any of the other countries that they are yet to launch in considered "big" for sales?
rokkerkory
Member
I think it's fair to say the 13 countries are the biggest selling xbox countries tho?
Not for MS
travisbickle
Member
They're not selling exceptionally well. At the moment they are attempting to sell to the previous install base, a recognised group of gamers who have previously bought MS consoles or at least know about them, and they are struggling to do that. Lets not pretend that the PS2 or Wii wouldn't have sold as much as the PS4, in a short time, if the stock was there, yet by all accounts MS had stock to spare in the USA in December.
I feel like when it was early in development Microsoft expected it to dominate the market in the US, but by the time both the PS4 and the Xbox One were unveiled and the Xbox One started to get so much bad press they readjusted their expectations.
EDIT: To clarify what I was trying to say here, I have a hard time believing that Microsoft is very unhappy with the current Xbox One sales given where they were just less than a year ago. I had never seen as much negative press for a console as I had seen for the Xbox One around E3 time. There's no way they didn't expect to be "beaten" by Sony on some level given how things were going for them. The Xbox One sales are very good overall in the grand scheme of things, and even if they can't keep up momentum I still see the console doing decently at the very least overall.
EDIT: To clarify what I was trying to say here, I have a hard time believing that Microsoft is very unhappy with the current Xbox One sales given where they were just less than a year ago. I had never seen as much negative press for a console as I had seen for the Xbox One around E3 time. There's no way they didn't expect to be "beaten" by Sony on some level given how things were going for them. The Xbox One sales are very good overall in the grand scheme of things, and even if they can't keep up momentum I still see the console doing decently at the very least overall.
Chobel
Member
freefornow
Gold Member
I wondered. Guess they did their analysis and saw that the 13 at launch were their best opportunity for sales, which I guess has kinda panned out (in the short term). Going forward is the unknown.
I imagine that the low UK launch sales have really stung (and shocked?) them.
LowEndTorque
Member
The ~3.6M in four months number sounds impressive on its face. But context is everything. As others have already pointed out, production capacity and manufacturing yields are a lot different then they were in previous gens.
I thought I read somewhere that they shipped 3.9M xbones by the end of December. If that's correct and they're currently sitting at ~3.6M, that means they are still trying to sell their stock from last year. Not a great sign and the likely reason for the bundling of free games and price cut in the UK.
EDIT: Found the source. They did indeed ship 3.9 million xbones by the end of 2013, and apparently haven't sold through those yet 3 months later.
I thought I read somewhere that they shipped 3.9M xbones by the end of December. If that's correct and they're currently sitting at ~3.6M, that means they are still trying to sell their stock from last year. Not a great sign and the likely reason for the bundling of free games and price cut in the UK.
EDIT: Found the source. They did indeed ship 3.9 million xbones by the end of 2013, and apparently haven't sold through those yet 3 months later.
It gets as much shit as it deserves.
They need several more big games than Titanfall to win in the US.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
We'll have to see how the rest of the year pans out. It's all about momentum, selling short of the PS4 in its previously saturated areas is worrisome. As others have mentioned, the playstation brand has a much wider grip than the xbox brand, and now the arms are beefier.
Hopefully pulling the emergency boosters will gain it some traction, because it can't afford to lose too much ground so early on.
Hopefully pulling the emergency boosters will gain it some traction, because it can't afford to lose too much ground so early on.
They're not going to sell more than the 80 million the 360 sold at least not in 6-7 years. The only direction they will go is a lower number. They simply don't have the advantages over their competition that they enjoyed for this past entire generation. The 360 was THE place to play multiplat console games as demonstrated time and again in every DF comparison with rare exception.
This time it seems like the differences are even more pronounced and the Xbox, for the first time in their 3 generation history, is at the wrong end of those comparisons
They really had no idea Sony was going to come so strong this gen. I really think it took them by surprise and I don't see how they are equipped to overcome those advantages.
This time it seems like the differences are even more pronounced and the Xbox, for the first time in their 3 generation history, is at the wrong end of those comparisons
They really had no idea Sony was going to come so strong this gen. I really think it took them by surprise and I don't see how they are equipped to overcome those advantages.
rokkerkory
Member
Price drop in UK would affirm that notion.
Price is the #1 barrier for X1. $399 across world would be what's really needed.
Even TitanFall isn't doing too much for it, despite having tons of advertising. There are news that PS4, the PS4 version of MGS V: Ground Zeroes, & inFamous: Second Son are outpacing both TitanFall & the TitanFall bundle on Amazon's best sellers list. AND a unofficial inFamous: Second Son bundle & another PS4 bundle over at Gamestop is outselling both the Xbox One console & the TitanFall bundle.
Not too good.
Syphon Filter
Member
xbox one will easily sell more than 40 million.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
They should have launched with titanfall and Halo. Or titanfall and gears. The wait for a new halo and gears is gonna kill this console.
I wouldn't say it's selling exceptional by any means given the position they were in. It's selling better than expected though, especially for the price.
They'll always be on the losing side in terms of hardware, so they really have to step up their exclusives portfolio to entice people to pay that sort of price and a Halo/Gears rotation a few years from now isn't the answer. Sony turned the PS3 around thanks to their variety of exclusives that can appeal to a wide range of gamers. MS can do the same as long as they're willing to do what they need to do and admit their problems and change some of their messaging. I'll jump in when the price is right and they have enough exclusives to warrant it but not right now which is odd for me to say since I usually own all systems rather quickly but MS has pulled off the impossible with their approach so far...lol. Halo 5 will be the first major boost for them and they'd be smart to have an affordable bundle by then and if they don't drop Kinect, they sure as hell better develop games that make people feel like it's necessary instead of paying for something that does so little.
It's selling well, but I'm sure it's selling worse than they expected. I really don't think they expected to have consoles left on the shelves and to be in this position with their competition. The good news is both consoles are selling a lot better than most pessimists were expecting on here, especially considering how many "consoles are dead" and "mobile gaming is all that matters to people today" posts that made it sound like these companies would be lucky to sell 1,000 each.
It's not exceptional, but it's good.
They'll always be on the losing side in terms of hardware, so they really have to step up their exclusives portfolio to entice people to pay that sort of price and a Halo/Gears rotation a few years from now isn't the answer. Sony turned the PS3 around thanks to their variety of exclusives that can appeal to a wide range of gamers. MS can do the same as long as they're willing to do what they need to do and admit their problems and change some of their messaging. I'll jump in when the price is right and they have enough exclusives to warrant it but not right now which is odd for me to say since I usually own all systems rather quickly but MS has pulled off the impossible with their approach so far...lol. Halo 5 will be the first major boost for them and they'd be smart to have an affordable bundle by then and if they don't drop Kinect, they sure as hell better develop games that make people feel like it's necessary instead of paying for something that does so little.
It's selling well, but I'm sure it's selling worse than they expected. I really don't think they expected to have consoles left on the shelves and to be in this position with their competition. The good news is both consoles are selling a lot better than most pessimists were expecting on here, especially considering how many "consoles are dead" and "mobile gaming is all that matters to people today" posts that made it sound like these companies would be lucky to sell 1,000 each.
It's not exceptional, but it's good.
It might sound foolish, but this is why I am happy for XO to be trailing the PS4 in sales.
If MS keep making things better to keep up, I'm all for it.
It happened with Sony. It's now happening with MS. That is why competition is great!
famousmortimer
Banned
XB1 sales so far are fine. If they keep at this trajectory they will make money off of games and services.
The worry is, and I think it's legitimate, that it's hard to imagine the trajectory holding. They are only out in 13 territories but there's a reason they don't give a shit about tier 2 or tier 3, they aren't going to sell a lot there. The machine was designed for the US first, western EU second. They are behind in both. That is reason for concern.
I'm not ready to jump on the XB1 is doomed train yet. Titanfall, or really any game, can turn the fortunes, but as of now - yes, good start but valid concerns. The PS4 is above and beyond all projections and publishers are re-calibrating to this. I heard that activision is going to make a public announcement about COD changing to the PS4 as lead platform. I have no idea if this means DLC (I assume MS locked that down for multiple years) but COD was a XBOX 360 game that happened to be on the ps3 last gen. That will be a hugely symbolic move... and don't discount what that means to the masses.
Also, don't sleep on inFamous. It will be very, very, close to Titanfall XB1 this month. Sony is also doing far more digital sales than MS so far (which is a weird switch from the middle of last gen).
The worry is, and I think it's legitimate, that it's hard to imagine the trajectory holding. They are only out in 13 territories but there's a reason they don't give a shit about tier 2 or tier 3, they aren't going to sell a lot there. The machine was designed for the US first, western EU second. They are behind in both. That is reason for concern.
I'm not ready to jump on the XB1 is doomed train yet. Titanfall, or really any game, can turn the fortunes, but as of now - yes, good start but valid concerns. The PS4 is above and beyond all projections and publishers are re-calibrating to this. I heard that activision is going to make a public announcement about COD changing to the PS4 as lead platform. I have no idea if this means DLC (I assume MS locked that down for multiple years) but COD was a XBOX 360 game that happened to be on the ps3 last gen. That will be a hugely symbolic move... and don't discount what that means to the masses.
Also, don't sleep on inFamous. It will be very, very, close to Titanfall XB1 this month. Sony is also doing far more digital sales than MS so far (which is a weird switch from the middle of last gen).
Lol, read the next line:
Clearly not referring to the next gen as a whole but rather the "Xbox opportunity"
Xbone was always going to sell to the hardcore xbox fan. 4 Million is not bad, but so far the sales seemed incredibly frontloaded, slightly offset by the early Titanfall release. The console fell off the map in Europe, and has significantly lost marketshare in the two markets that largly sustained it in the last gen.
There is no way Ms anticipated this drop off, so in order to call its preformance anything but dissapointing it needs to sell consistantly well in the upcoming months, proving that its reaching beyond its most hardcore fanbase.
There is no way Ms anticipated this drop off, so in order to call its preformance anything but dissapointing it needs to sell consistantly well in the upcoming months, proving that its reaching beyond its most hardcore fanbase.
Chobel
Member
How will that work? advertising PS4 version and at the same time exclusive DLCs for Xbone?
Wouldn't a trajectory leading from high initial numbers to substantially lower numbers soon cross the zero line?
Nightengale
Member
Didn't the multiyear CoD deal with Xbox conclude with Ghost? Unless they resigned.
not_so_special
Banned
not in europe...
Sakura
Member
40 million? I'm not so sure. If it is a 7 year generation maybe, but if it's on trajectory to sell only 40 million in 7 years, then I could see Microsoft just dropping it after 4 or 5 and trying to get the heads up on Sony again.
3rdamention
Member
I have predicted in some other threads, that in my opinion, I could see Infamous outselling the Xbox One version of Titanfall. Like you have said before, the metrics for Infamous are insane (just look at how Infamous is charting on Amazon's top March Sellers, above Titanfall, and how it is charting on Gamestop as well, with the bundle. Then add in YouTube metrics as you have pointed out in the past), the PS4 install base is already pretty large, and they are hungry for an exclusive built for the PS4 from the ground up.
I think the Xbox One is selling well, but has been pointed out before, it is still getting outsold. Microsoft is losing market share in their two biggest markets. Despite overall worldwide sales, losing market share has to be more worrisome.
The sales numbers for consoles, and even the big 2 exclusives Titanfall and Infamous are going to be so huge for both consoles. If Microsoft cannot start significantly making up ground in console sales with Titanfall, I don't know what their next big hitter this year will be that can help them start closing the gap. It may not be a game, but more pack in deals, price cuts, offering Live for 1 year free with a console, something.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I think the overall numbers are exceptional, but Microsoft obviously wanted higher numbers and they wanted XBox One to be the next big thing. Then again, for $500, I think they should be grateful to achieve as high as they did while the direct competition is $100 cheaper, more powerful and has most of the same major games available. If Microsoft losing a substantial amount of marketshare to SOny in the US and even the UK, they are in serious trouble imo. I mean it is PS3 all over again with their $500/$600 system. I think a price drop to $400 with a game pack in could give them a respectable push.
I wonder if there's a clause to get out of the DLC deal with MS. If that did happen, that would be pretty huge considering I know so many casual gamers that only buy consoles for COD (I'll never understand it). It's been kind of funny seeing EA and Activision trade places when it comes to their console deals. EA went all-in on X1 (see what I did there?) while Sony went for Activision for Destiny. Obviously EA's deal is far more substantial and pretty damn stupid since it was so premature based off of assumptions made from the previous generation and MS's policies at the time, but it's still funny nonetheless to see these companies go back and forth like that. I'd love to know how much money those sorts of deals cost Sony and MS.
I hope what you guys are saying about inFAMOUS is correct though. Sucker Punch deserves some attention and the series has always been under-appreciated so Second Son being a huge success would make my day as well since I'm a huge fan of the series. I've been skeptical on its reviews but so far, the impressions have made me feel better about them.
I just never bought into the idea that Titanfall was going to change the game though. Hyping it up so much really helped, but it also caused some unrealistic expectations when it came to the gameplay though. It's going to be a big game no doubt since most COD players will love it, but I didn't see it as a HUGE system seller. It will move some systems, but for people that were likely to get an X1 anyway and were just waiting for a big MP game. I don't think it will sell the console to everyone on the fence and I don't think it will change the console competition nearly as much as people expected/hoped. I say this as an owner of Titanfall on PC who finds it a fun game, but nowhere near what the hype made it out to be.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It is selling well for a 500$ box, but losing the US and the UK is gonna be catastrophic for them considering they did not make any inroads in the rest of the world (except New Zealand).
I am quite sure they are not happy at the moment since they are bundling their most hyped release for free with every console sold - not only they paid EA for the exclusivity, they're also buying copies themselves. I'd like to know the total cost of Titanfall for Microsoft - it is going to be expensive. There's also the UK pricecut, of course.
March and April are the months to watch. If they don't overtake the PS4 on these two key territories, I'd bet 10$ they're gonna do something drastic for the holiday season later in the year.
I am quite sure they are not happy at the moment since they are bundling their most hyped release for free with every console sold - not only they paid EA for the exclusivity, they're also buying copies themselves. I'd like to know the total cost of Titanfall for Microsoft - it is going to be expensive. There's also the UK pricecut, of course.
March and April are the months to watch. If they don't overtake the PS4 on these two key territories, I'd bet 10$ they're gonna do something drastic for the holiday season later in the year.
I would be very happy if inFamous was ahead of Titanfall XB1 this month, but it might be slower burner (like most Sony first party IP).
How confident are you about the Call of Duty stuff?
toddhunter
Member
I don't think Microsoft will care much about hardware sales, it will all be about the xbox live numbers.
Are there any figures on how that side of it is going? The assumption with the "always online" model might have been near 1:1.
If they are not getting a good conversion rate given the "forced" changes and now Titanfall, they might be very concerned.
Are there any figures on how that side of it is going? The assumption with the "always online" model might have been near 1:1.
If they are not getting a good conversion rate given the "forced" changes and now Titanfall, they might be very concerned.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Honestly, I am not even sure if those titles are as important as they once were. Judgement to my knowledge didn't perform near as well as expected and it seems like most people were disappointed in Halo 4. I think they will perform exceptionally well especially Halo, but I am not sure if those are the XB1 saviors.
Did I miss something here?
It probably was a fraction of what they would've payed had they made the deal after sale numbers came in. MS got TF for a steal.
Agreed.
This right here is the main reason I wanted a strong start for the ps4. The fact that its doing that with half of EA being rented out to MS, is amazing.
Boxcar Overkill
Banned
Their business plans are so different it gets hard to compare MS and Sony. Sony is selling hardware, MS is selling software, an OS for your TV, and cloud services. The way they bundle and price makes it hard to really see how each is doing.
S/he means MS has to give money to EA for every bundled copy of Titanfall on top of whatever they paid for exclusivity.
Oh yea. Don't know why but I took Frog's post as something completely different.