TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Not in the slightest bit surprised by TF sales. People who assumed it bombed because of lack of PR were crazy.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2014 [Up4: FFX/X-2 HD]
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What a wonderful world.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Yup. US should release a public apology to Vita for this tragedy.
April and May will be "interesting" as some of you like to put it.
Major Nelson's stupid winky tweet sounded like an official price cut is in order soon.... But honestly I don't think that even that will be enough. They simply built a system that isn't as good. Yes, it has its unique features and I really think Kinect 2.0 has great potential considering the tech that's in it but the games that the majority of people buy are multiplatform titles and every single one of them is better on PS4.
Major Nelson's stupid winky tweet sounded like an official price cut is in order soon.... But honestly I don't think that even that will be enough. They simply built a system that isn't as good. Yes, it has its unique features and I really think Kinect 2.0 has great potential considering the tech that's in it but the games that the majority of people buy are multiplatform titles and every single one of them is better on PS4.
I would even go so far as to say the US shot themselves in the foot.
geordiemp
Member
Because some people have good eye sight and 1080p TV's LOL ?
I think people buy consoles for multiplat games mainly - your COD's, FIFA's BF's....and Ps4 plays them better....
Exclusives are icing on the cake, and a reason to buy a console is lower although some do......
Hence, beyond the hard initial adopters.....the casual will go where his mates are playing COD and word of mouth on what plays these games #da best#.....
Once you understand the sales volumes of multiplat games, all becomes clear.
How to win a generation in this modern socially connected age : make a console that has the best experience of the most popular games..
I know its anecdotal, but COD Ghosts only 720p was a real issue for Xbox ONE in my opinion...and MS biggest mistake was weak GPU and memory
Because we dont have any other data for Xbox one, when we'll get some sell through numbers, I'll update the chart.... Besides, only 2 last points (3.9 and 5 M) are shipped, at the beginning they were reporting sold.
Other number are sold to the best of my knowledge.
ComaPrison
Banned
Sure does. I love the build quality in the original 1000 model. The problem is the price of the proprietary memory cards, the dependence on multi-platform titles (there really aren't that many must-have vita exclusives that aren't just an update or rehash from another platform, like muramasa, ffx and x-2, dragon's crown, ys, disgaea, persona, ninja gaiden, virtue's last reward, the indie titles, etc.)
Basileus777
Member
Hardware production isn't done on a regional basis, so this is kind of a silly question.
pieatorium
Member
because they are worldwide numbers and the only place those come from is platform owner PR/fiscal reports which is shipped
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Sony should start in the future creating "bundle packages" to make the PS4 more appealing like Microsoft does.
Sure, they don't really need to do this now with insane demand and meager supply to go around, but when the Holidays comes, they should definitely do this.
Sure, they don't really need to do this now with insane demand and meager supply to go around, but when the Holidays comes, they should definitely do this.
Visualante2
Member
Thank you for the numbers you glorious people. Reminds me of the good old days.
not really. it was sony's duty to read the markets and make good decisions. they hit a homerun with the ps4 but who honestly thought the vita would be a true success?
Meus Renaissance
Member
I don't think anyone seriously believed Infamous would come close to selling as much as Titan fall.
PdotMichael
Banned
It's kind of cute that outselling a title of a franchise which never sold stunning is an amazing act.
Never read such statements some months ago.
Never read such statements some months ago.
Media Create numbers: +80k for Vita
NPD numbers: +60k for Wii U
We don't have exact numbers for Europe but it's unlikely I believe than Wii U is doing +20k there right now from the rumors we got. Correct me if I'm wrong guys
Miles Quaritch
Member
You're going off point, which is that Sony had just as big as ad campaign for I:SS that MS did for TF.
I''d also argue pretty strongly against the idea that this I:SS was just another title to SCE. This was the first big exclusive since launch and it's one that Sony needed to put all their muscle behind and it shows with the marketing campaign and the series best sales.
It was more a general example that Sony spent a lot of money advertising I:SS. It was their first big exclusive since launch, it seems naive to think that they wouldn't give it a huge marketing blitz and that's shown by how well it sold. 1m+ in the space of just nine days...
Not sure why this is an issue. Do people want to pretend that I:SS sold well without Sony having to lift a finger?
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
They do bundles already and they are very popular.
ComaPrison
Banned
It's an exceptionally solid and well-engineered device. Where they failed was in pricing the memory, and not releasing it with must-have exclusives already in the pipeline. Most of the titles on it that people want are already available on other platforms.
GlamFM
Banned
Everybody? Honestly, they made exactly the system everybody asked for. Too bad nobody bought it. (Love my vita BTW)
1mil for a new IP is impressive.
Any reason why we got all this numbers this month?
When you read a worldwide figure it must be shipped.
Everything in that chart is shipped.
When you read a worldwide figure it must be shipped.
mangochutney
Member
To be fully expected. Titanfall also has the PC, and however small that number may be it is still a boost to it's figures and in addition Titanfall was much more highly anticipated and a more popular game type.
So if I'm reading this right MS are now using sold to retailers figures rather than sold to consumer figures that Sony are continuing to use and they're still 2 million behind?
Also poor Vita, only 5k more than the PSP!
Everything I could say right here has been said already.
No-one saw this coming, X1 taking march NPD was a lock.
Even i'm blown away that Sony managed to come out on top, and not by a small margin either.
The hype, the deals, the bundles, the pre-march sales bump. I thought the people who were predicting the PS4 to take the number one spot this month were delusional.
The thirst. It's out there and it's real.
So congrats, Sony. The US will be yours until the holidays at least.
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But meanwhile, Europe is starving for PS4's.
Jesus christ, pre-orders are still being fulfilled, some of which have been placed months and months ago.
The PS4 sales worldwide stand to increase waaaay beyond their current numbers simply by increasing production and adequate supply towards Europe.
You done won the US, Sony. It's time to come home.
No-one saw this coming, X1 taking march NPD was a lock.
Even i'm blown away that Sony managed to come out on top, and not by a small margin either.
The hype, the deals, the bundles, the pre-march sales bump. I thought the people who were predicting the PS4 to take the number one spot this month were delusional.
The thirst. It's out there and it's real.
So congrats, Sony. The US will be yours until the holidays at least.
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But meanwhile, Europe is starving for PS4's.
Jesus christ, pre-orders are still being fulfilled, some of which have been placed months and months ago.
The PS4 sales worldwide stand to increase waaaay beyond their current numbers simply by increasing production and adequate supply towards Europe.
You done won the US, Sony. It's time to come home.
Evidently not given the sales.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Only in very limited quantities and without much promotion.
Yeah, Vita was quite hyped prior to release. And the [west] launch line-up was really good
who is everybody? psp buyers? they were selling a handheld to a market that was dying. nobody bought it because they had already moved on to smartphones.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm not sure where you derive that. Sony likely spent much on advertising.
The contention is with the idea that the advertising spend, even excluding the many millions that would be incurred in bundling the title, of Titanfall would be the same as the advertising spend of Infamous: Second Son. An idea you again repeat.
The titles aren't particularly analogous in intent. It is just another SCEWWS title. It's not Gran Turismo. It's not Uncharted. It's not God of War. And there's no real indication it was expected to be. It's a title for which 1M copies by now is well within expectation. It's a title that will be considered reasonably successful only selling a couple/few million LT.
It simply isn't logical, and tests the limits of credulity.
kobashi100
Banned
Holy shit @ them Vita sales.
10k is pathetic!
10k is pathetic!
ComaPrison
Banned
Mobile games and handhelds are for two different markets. They don't compete with eachother. Mobiles soak up all the casuals that don't have the interest in "core" gaming experiences, and the price tags that go along with that. Vita needed monster hunters, but instead they've got monster-hunter-rip-offs. This is like when Sony made a smash bros rip-off.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
This is kind of hilarious, because Sony did the exact opposite. They made a platform that people don't really care about or want. Nintendo is in the exact same position with the Wii U. Both have failed at creating a need/want for the market to invest.
Nightengale
Member
And how do you know this?
All we can infer is that MS/Sony spent a lot, in the range of millions for marketing for TF/SS.
As someone who's worked in marketing, I can say that part of our job is to stretch our dollar value. We've worked marketing campaigns at 1/5th the cost of our competition, but with just as far a reach.
From a consumer standpoint, it's very difficult to grasp the scope of how much the cost of the campaign stretches throughout an entire campaign. There's a ton of hidden cost involved, such as negotiations of media buys, etc.
I really don't see much overlap between the two to the point where the Vita is selling this low.
Also, Sony didn't really do much to get PSP buyers on board when you consider what was popular on it.
i highly disagree. you don't think they compete for space in your pocket/backpack/purse?
Nah. Vita's problem isn't its hardware.
lol
Last week Vita sold almost thrice in Japan.
kobashi100
Banned
how many people really know about the bundle? How many people actually care about a bundle for a game that is 2 years old?
Vita is toast in the US. No doubts about that!
ComaPrison
Banned
Don't be coy. You know entirely what I mean. Anecdote: My gf has sunk countless dozens of hours into her mobile games but has never demonstrated any interest in spending a single penny on console or handheld gaming. She demonstrates no patience or interest in doing so, and she is as stereotypically representative of the "casuals" as it gets. Mobile games are designed for an entirely different audience. Any mobile game designer can tell you that. If you played more mobile games then you'd see how bloody obvious it is. Blaming mobiles for Vita's failure is just lazy and wrong. The 3DS's relative success (11+ million sold?) should tell you as much.
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qizah
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah it's not, but it's become pretty obvious that the market for a dedicated handheld that emulates a home console experience is pretty small. Most people don't want those type of games on a portable. That market has shrunk significantly from the PSP days to now.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
But you aren't including all of the indirect marketing spend from MS. The cost of the bundle, the cost of the funding retailer price cuts, the cost of securing the exclusive after the agreed 13 month period. All of that comes from the marketing budget and will be more than what Sony spent on Infamous.
No one is saying that Sony didn't spend any money on marketing Infamous, I would say it got the second largest spend I have ever seen for an SCE title after TLOU, but it is dwarfed by what MS spent in total for TF. What we saw on TV or in newspapers was the tip of the iceberg for MS in relation to TF marketing, but for Sony WYSIWYG. The Infamous bundle was priced higher than the vanilla console, there was no extra money spent to secure the exclusive, there was no extraordinary hype campaign and a lot of the pre-launch direct hype was delivered through the PS Blog, which is a no cost option.
TF marketing was in the same league as GTA and COD. Infamous was not in the same category, it was in the AC and BF one. Again, I will add that I believe in the US TF will have been given an even larger push than here because people are more ready to accept the Xbox brand so the multiplier is much higher. Companies deploy resources where they can get the best return. I do not believe the ROI for marketing Infamous would be as high as TF, and neither do I believe that Sony are interested in making a few extra console sales on the back of a huge spend. MS, otoh, were going to do whatever it took to sell more units with TF, and sadly it did not work out for them.
Apparently it did and it's not MS's number to brag about. EA would, however.
1st Course
Member
Regarding the what is the best selling XBO game it's probably COD. Creamsugar posted a list of best selling PS4/XBO game in the December NPD thread
PS4
XBO
NPD show that the XBO version of Ghost overall outsold the PS4 version in 2013
So we know Ghost XBO >800k and the best selling XBO game overall as of Dec.
PS4
XBO
NPD show that the XBO version of Ghost overall outsold the PS4 version in 2013
So we know Ghost XBO >800k and the best selling XBO game overall as of Dec.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
The titanfall >1M excluded PC version
So while the buy ratio is crazy,it also feel like most of current ~2.5m of Xbox One owner were bought the console just for titanfall
Yes has been posted many times it sold 1 mil on XB1.
1st Course
Member
Reposting
Hardware
PS4: 371k
Xbone: 311k
3DS: 159k
360: 111K
Wii U: 70k
PS3: 67K
Wii: 28k
Vita: ~10k
PSP: 5k
Software
TitanFall> 1 million (X1 version/ no PC)
Infamous: Second Son ّ<500k
South Park: SoT< 440k, 360 55%
Dark Souls 2<350k PS3 ~51%
MGSV: GZ =278k, PS4 ~ 54%, XBO ~ 20% (both combined 204k), PS3 ~ 19%
FFXHD - 260k (208k PS3, 52k Vita)
Yoshi's New Island <160k
GTA V ~150K
Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze - 84K (highest selling Wii U game this month)
Total PS4 software = 6.78M
Total XBO software = 7.48M
Hardware
PS4: 371k
Xbone: 311k
3DS: 159k
360: 111K
Wii U: 70k
PS3: 67K
Wii: 28k
Vita: ~10k
PSP: 5k
Software
TitanFall> 1 million (X1 version/ no PC)
Infamous: Second Son ّ<500k
South Park: SoT< 440k, 360 55%
Dark Souls 2<350k PS3 ~51%
MGSV: GZ =278k, PS4 ~ 54%, XBO ~ 20% (both combined 204k), PS3 ~ 19%
FFXHD - 260k (208k PS3, 52k Vita)
Yoshi's New Island <160k
GTA V ~150K
Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze - 84K (highest selling Wii U game this month)
Total PS4 software = 6.78M
Total XBO software = 7.48M
Bedameister
Member
No one's gonna stop Minecraft 360