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The Democrats used to be Pro America.

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says Joe Lieberman

Democrats and Our Enemies
By JOSEPH LIEBERMAN
May 21, 2008; Page A19

How did the Democratic Party get here? How did the party of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy drift so far from the foreign policy and national security principles and policies that were at the core of its identity and its purpose?

Beginning in the 1940s, the Democratic Party was forced to confront two of the most dangerous enemies our nation has ever faced: Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. In response, Democrats under Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy forged and conducted a foreign policy that was principled, internationalist, strong and successful.

This was the Democratic Party that I grew up in – a party that was unhesitatingly and proudly pro-American, a party that was unafraid to make moral judgments about the world beyond our borders. It was a party that understood that either the American people stood united with free nations and freedom fighters against the forces of totalitarianism, or that we would fall divided.

This was the Democratic Party of Harry Truman, who pledged that "it must be the policy of the United States to support free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures."

And this was the Democratic Party of John F. Kennedy, who promised in his inaugural address that the United States would "pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of freedom."

This worldview began to come apart in the late 1960s, around the war in Vietnam. In its place, a very different view of the world took root in the Democratic Party. Rather than seeing the Cold War as an ideological contest between the free nations of the West and the repressive regimes of the communist world, this rival political philosophy saw America as the aggressor – a morally bankrupt, imperialist power whose militarism and "inordinate fear of communism" represented the real threat to world peace.

It argued that the Soviets and their allies were our enemies not because they were inspired by a totalitarian ideology fundamentally hostile to our way of life, or because they nursed ambitions of global conquest. Rather, the Soviets were our enemy because we had provoked them, because we threatened them, and because we failed to sit down and accord them the respect they deserved. In other words, the Cold War was mostly America's fault.

Of course that leftward lurch by the Democrats did not go unchallenged. Democratic Cold Warriors like Scoop Jackson fought against the tide. But despite their principled efforts, the Democratic Party through the 1970s and 1980s became prisoner to a foreign policy philosophy that was, in most respects, the antithesis of what Democrats had stood for under Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy.

Then, beginning in the 1980s, a new effort began on the part of some of us in the Democratic Party to reverse these developments, and reclaim our party's lost tradition of principle and strength in the world. Our band of so-called New Democrats was successful sooner than we imagined possible when, in 1992, Bill Clinton and Al Gore were elected. In the Balkans, for example, as President Clinton and his advisers slowly but surely came to recognize that American intervention, and only American intervention, could stop Slobodan Milosevic and his campaign of ethnic slaughter, Democratic attitudes about the use of military force in pursuit of our values and our security began to change.

This happy development continued into the 2000 campaign, when the Democratic candidate – Vice President Gore – championed a freedom-focused foreign policy, confident of America's moral responsibilities in the world, and unafraid to use our military power. He pledged to increase the defense budget by $50 billion more than his Republican opponent – and, to the dismay of the Democratic left, made sure that the party's platform endorsed a national missile defense.

By contrast, in 2000, Gov. George W. Bush promised a "humble foreign policy" and criticized our peacekeeping operations in the Balkans.

Today, less than a decade later, the parties have completely switched positions. The reversal began, like so much else in our time, on September 11, 2001. The attack on America by Islamist terrorists shook President Bush from the foreign policy course he was on. He saw September 11 for what it was: a direct ideological and military attack on us and our way of life.
If the Democratic Party had stayed where it was in 2000, America could have confronted the terrorists with unity and strength in the years after 9/11.

Instead a debate soon began within the Democratic Party about how to respond to Mr. Bush. I felt strongly that Democrats should embrace the basic framework the president had advanced for the war on terror as our own, because it was our own. But that was not the choice most Democratic leaders made. When total victory did not come quickly in Iraq, the old voices of partisanship and peace at any price saw an opportunity to reassert themselves. By considering centrism to be collaboration with the enemy – not bin Laden, but Mr. Bush – activists have successfully pulled the Democratic Party further to the left than it has been at any point in the last 20 years.

Far too many Democratic leaders have kowtowed to these opinions rather than challenging them. That unfortunately includes Barack Obama, who, contrary to his rhetorical invocations of bipartisan change, has not been willing to stand up to his party's left wing on a single significant national security or international economic issue in this campaign.

In this, Sen. Obama stands in stark contrast to John McCain, who has shown the political courage throughout his career to do what he thinks is right – regardless of its popularity in his party or outside it.

John also understands something else that too many Democrats seem to have become confused about lately – the difference between America's friends and America's enemies.

There are of course times when it makes sense to engage in tough diplomacy with hostile governments. Yet what Mr. Obama has proposed is not selective engagement, but a blanket policy of meeting personally as president, without preconditions, in his first year in office, with the leaders of the most vicious, anti-American regimes on the planet.

Mr. Obama has said that in proposing this, he is following in the footsteps of Reagan and JFK. But Kennedy never met with Castro, and Reagan never met with Khomeini. And can anyone imagine Presidents Kennedy or Reagan sitting down unconditionally with Ahmadinejad or Chavez? I certainly cannot.

If a president ever embraced our worst enemies in this way, he would strengthen them and undermine our most steadfast allies.

A great Democratic secretary of state, Dean Acheson, once warned "no people in history have ever survived, who thought they could protect their freedom by making themselves inoffensive to their enemies." This is a lesson that today's Democratic Party leaders need to relearn.

Mr. Lieberman is an Independent Democratic senator from Connecticut. This article is adapted from a speech he gave May 18 at a dinner hosted by Commentary magazine.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121132806884008847.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
god i hate joe lieberman.


was that dean acheson quote before or after he suggested to JFK that we nuke cuba back to the stone age, and then cross our fingers and hope russia doesn't move on berlin? HEY JOE, DONT QUOTE PEOPLE WHO TURNED OUT TO BE ON THE LOSING SIDE OF THEIR ARGUMENTS!
 

Tamanon

Banned
Look Joe, I know you're not really a Democrat now anyways, but really.....calling a party that you belonged to until a couple years ago America haters and subversives? Really?

REALLY?
 

Gruco

Banned
I tried to come up with a response sufficiently mocking and sarcastic, but I don't think I could quite pull it off.

So I'll just say that I eagerly anticipate the expanded Senate majority, when Joe can be cast aside and just get to sit by himself for the next four years. Maybe if he gets bored enough he can challenge Chris Matthews to a duel or something.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Joe is a mouth breathing retard. What else can be said? The guy is been disingenious, trying to equate Iraq to a just war.
 
Lieberman used to be pro-America . . . until he realized he could manipulate Americans into doing anything the Likud party wants without being pro-America.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
another thing. would joe be carrying this torch if it was anyone but muslims who attacked us on 9/11? how much of his grudge has to do with his ideological connection to Israel and the need to support the same cause as his religious homeland? because he certainly isn't vested in the future of the US.

I know i'll get slammed for playing the "ZOMG J00" card here, but I think that's a fair question to ask because I don't notice him being in any hurry to put our troops in Africa or Burma where there's threats to democracy. If this country wants to start helping out democracy, fine. Let's do it. You put fact finders on the ground in Zimbabwe, Pakistan and Burma. You strongarm the EU into putting troops into Bosnia and find the people still armchair quarterbacking the genocide to this day.

You want to help Democracy, Joe? Let's do it. But until you're actually committed to these causes, then don't sit in the stands and pretend you know what you're doing, because you don't. You think you do, but you don't, and that's why America told you to piss off 4 years ago and why you only won by a plurality in your own state two years ago. Not exactly a referendum on his capabilities there.
 
Tamanon said:
Look Joe, I know you're not really a Democrat now anyways, but really.....calling a party that you belonged to until a couple years ago America haters and subversives? Really?

REALLY?

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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Comparing the Balkans stuff to either of our engagements in Afghanistan or Iraq is just plain stupid; and last I checked Democrats didn't oppose Afghanistan.

Lieberman can't disappear quick enough.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Uhm, the US knew when to keep their nose out of other people's conflicts. Lest we forget, America used to be about "don't attack unless attacked" in their approach to foreign policy.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
JFK never sat down with Castro?


NO SHIT! HE WAS TALKING TO THE KREMLIN!






god. this really makes me angry :lol
 
Best thing to do with Lieberman and his family is to stick them on a rocky outcropping in some godforsaken stretch of the north Atlantic, proclaim it "Israel 2" and let him rant and rave about he's the only true Zionist left in the world... only no one can hear him except the penguins.
 
Dan said:
Comparing the Balkans stuff to either of our engagements in Afghanistan or Iraq is just plain stupid; and last I checked Democrats didn't oppose Afghanistan.
And last time I checked, there was not a single Iraqi involved in 9/11.

Holy Joe, isn't there something about bearing false witness?

I"m so disappointed in Conn. The Dem candidate they had was actually really good.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
One of the worst things about this is that Lieberman campaigned as an "independent Democrat" in the CT general election, downplaying his hawkishness with a lot of "nobody wants to end the war more than me."

Once he got job security for another five years, he went right back to being a self-righteous old warmonger. Way to stand up for your principles, Joe.
 
Stoney Mason said:

That is just ripe for a Star Wars themed Photoshop.

I look forward to the passing of these radical, ancient mouth-breathers and their antiquated views on how our country should be ran.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Tyrone Slothrop said:
i think lieberman got possesed by some sort of GOP demon at some point during the last 3 years or so.
he's jewish so the only GOP demon that could reconcile with him is Jesus Christ himself.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Sigh

/Bosnian-mode on

Lieberman said:
in 1992, Bill Clinton and Al Gore were elected. In the Balkans, for example, as President Clinton and his advisers slowly but surely came to recognize that American intervention, and only American intervention, could stop Slobodan Milosevic and his campaign of ethnic slaughter, Democratic attitudes about the use of military force in pursuit of our values and our security began to change.

To even compare the boondoggle that is the Iraq war and Afghanistan to the multi-lateral peace mission in the Balkans where the war was ended not by sledge-hammering your way through every territory with guns a-blazing, but rather through a multi-lateral coalition and specific strategic advancement.

If anything, the Balkan war of the 90s is an example of diplomacy by stopping a war through a multi-national alliance, rather than through force by a single entity.

Not only that, but the war ended with DIPLOMACY and not through force. The national community placed pressure on Milosevic and his subordinates and cornered him into signing a peace agreement orchestrated by the US Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Gen. Wesley Clark.

The end result was diplomacy, not aggression. America has thrown out any fathomable options for peace through diplomacy to be achieved in Iraq and instead has left only two ways to end the war: nuke everything or get the fuck out.

/end
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Between this, his campaigning for McCain and his attacks on Obama, Lieberman really seems to be gearing up his anti-Democrat rhetoric.

$10 says he drops the Democrat from "Independent Democrat" by years end
 
Mandark said:
One of the worst things about this is that Lieberman campaigned as an "independent Democrat" in the CT general election, downplaying his hawkishness with a lot of "nobody wants to end the war more than me."

Once he got job security for another five years, he went right back to being a self-righteous old warmonger. Way to stand up for your principles, Joe.

I think you mean six years, but very true. If you asked him today, he'd probably pretend that he ran as a proudly pro-war candidate in 2006, which many right-wingers like Rove have done in an attempt to prove that the GOP losses that year had nothing to do with Iraq. It's too bad more CT voters didn't see through him until after he had been reelected.

A good response to this editorial can be found here, by the way. I particularly liked this bit at the end:

I can think of only one example of recent Democratic appeasement; the way Senator Reid and others have constantly appeased Joe Lieberman, in spite of Lieberman's constant and increasingly rabid attempts to undermine his previous party. As has been amply demonstrated by Joe himself, appeasement does not work.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Measuring from today. Should have been "now that he has job security for another five years..."

Even McCain, who was touting his hawk credentials during the primary, is doing something similar to what Lieberman did. Emphasizing that he'll bring back the troops (by planting magical victory beans, apparently) rather than saying we need to commit indefinitely to the war, which is his actual position.
 

VALIS

Member
This is like when your girlfriend dumps you but you then proceed to tell your friends that you dumped her because "she was always on my case" and "wasn't good in the sack."

Suuuure, Joe, sure the party changed. It's more like you never fit in in the first place. The only election I ever missed in 17 years of voting was in 2000 because I stayed home because YOU were on the ticket, you phony.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I also didn't know it was considered to be "pro-America" to send young men and women of your country to die in an unwarranted war?
 

Zeed

Banned
Lieberman was my least favorite Dem Senator back when he was actually a Dem. After the Sore Loserman incident I thought that my opinion of him could sink no lower. Now that he's fully defected over to McCain's camp he now rests at the shit-coated bottom of a deep pit that is my personal opinion. I can't wait for the Democrats to secure a real majority in the Senate so that they can toss this bitch aside. Force him to officially switch parties, and he'll NEVER be reelected in Connecticut. Not as a Republican.
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Zeed said:
Lieberman was my least favorite Dem Senator back when he was actually a Dem. After the Sore Loserman incident I thought that my opinion of him could sink no lower. Now that he's fully defected over to McCain's camp he now rests at the shit-coated bottom of a deep pit that is my personal opinion. I can't wait for the Democrats to secure a real majority in the Senate so that they can toss this bitch aside. Force him to officially switch parties, and he'll NEVER be reelected in Connecticut. Not as a Republican.

1.) You can't legally bar someone from a political party. Anyone can join any party
2.) He isn't even technically a Democrat. Just an Independent democrat :/
 
reilo said:
I also didn't know it was considered to be "pro-America" to send young men and women of your country to die in an unwarranted war?

I'm pretty sure by 'pro-America' he means 'pro-Israel'.

Thinly veiled to say the least.

It was a party that understood that either the American people stood united with free nations and freedom fighters against the forces of totalitarianism, or that we would fall divided.

Funny thing is, Israel is about a few years away from no longer being a democracy.

And he makes it sound as if America has never supported a dictatorship.
 

Zeed

Banned
grandjedi6 said:
1.) You can't legally bar someone from a political party. Anyone can join any party
Either you're being uncharacteristically facetious, or you honestly couldn't extrapolate that the Democrats can make things so uncomfortable for him that he'd officially switch sides. It's absolutely possible to force him to cross the aisle.

2.) He isn't even technically a Democrat. Just an Independent democrat :/
He caucuses with them and is therefore responsible for them having control of the Senate. For all practical intents and purposes, he is a Democrat.
 

grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Zeed said:
Either you're being uncharacteristically facetious, or you honestly couldn't extrapolate that the Democrats can make things so uncomfortable for him that he'd officially switch sides. It's absolutely possible to force him to cross the aisle.


He caucuses with them and is therefore responsible for them having control of the Senate. For all practical intents and purposes, he is a Democrat.

Ah yes he does caucus with them. But not for long :D

Not being on any of the committees = political death in congress
 

Slurpy

*drowns in jizz*
Go fuck yourself, Joe. Fucking tool. I can't believe after all that's happened with Iraq, he has the nerve to say that Democrats should have supported the war. Utterly dellusional. His entire spiel was basically whining that democrats should just bend over backwards and fall in line with the right wing hawks. What a shit-eater.
 

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
What a moron... There are no such things as democrats.
 
This is a sad story. I used to be a fan of Leiberman's, if only because he lived like 3 miles from my house.

His righteous anger during the Clinton impeachment process was the beginning of the end.

Good luck in your next election.
 

Diablos

Member
Enjoy your power trip in the Senate while it still lasts, Joey. You won't mean shit after November, EVEN IF Obama loses (unless he gets a cabinet position in McCain's administration).
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
The instant I saw Lieberman's name I thought the title should be "The Democrats used to be Pro Zionist Extremism."
 
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