Here's a quick comparison of the PS4 and Switch versions of Dragon Quest Heroes II that I found on Ruliweb.
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Dragon Quest Heroes 1 & 2 (Switch) trailer
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
PS4 it is, I guess.
Jaded Alyx
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Although it's been denied by Peter Moore that FIFA will simply be the last gen version, we haven't seen it so I can't really argue.
But how on earth do you arrive at Switch receiving PS3/360 Skyrim and not the remaster? All footage shown clearly looks like the Special Edition...
Bitanator
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You mean the ps4 and wii version.
I dont mind the 30fps, I use to play dynasty warriors with its like 5fps when doing special attacks so I should be fine
Comparison videos between PS3/PS4/Vita.
We've reached the point where PS3 visuals are being compared to Wii. Despite the PS3 being the "real" next gen hardware that generation. What a time to be alive.
And wow Vita definitely looks like a mercy kill call.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Did we play a different Dragon Quest Heroes?
I never had frame rate issues and I 100% the game.The Last One
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I guess it makes sense they based the Switch version on the PS3 version. They can't let the framerate take a hit when playing in multiplayer,
Did we play a different Dragon Quest Heroes?
I picked up a JP disc copy and was playing on my Aussie launch PS4, but pretty sure lots of others have experienced the same. Honestly, the game stuttered terribly every few seconds. It was genuinely unplayable. Perhaps I should try again on my PS4 Pro.
People who expect a Switch game to look better than a Vita game. Which is pretty much everyone.
It really wasn't. 60fps with some dips, but overall the game ran just fine and it looked great (I played the original JP version).
DQH2 looks and runs even better on PS4.
QisTopTier
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Can't say I had the same issues at all with the US version on a launch ps4. I think I had a few rare frame drops when there was 40 plus monsters on screen and I did some ults. But overall the game was super responsive, I wouldn't have been able to do the hardest fights in the game if the frame rate was a janky mess.
Jawbreaker
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Woof.
DarkLordMalik
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I can deal with downgraded graphics but the issue is that the frame rate is shit.
I couldn't deal with low frame rate Vita games either unless I had no choice. Looks like another game I might just pass on Switch and get on PS4, since I already own the original for it.
I couldn't deal with low frame rate Vita games either unless I had no choice. Looks like another game I might just pass on Switch and get on PS4, since I already own the original for it.
It is not a good point of reference, Warriors games don't really have great graphics.
I suspect framrate problems are going to plague a lot of Switch titles. Zelda seems to have them and it is a port of a Wii U game. I saw framerate drops in several of the Switch trailers of various games.
It certainly doesn't bode well for the future of multiplats on Switch.
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Is this the "definitive" edition in terms of content? If they release this game in the US at $60, as someone who hasn't picked up the PS4 version(s), this sounds like it could be an appealing package. I don't really mind moderate dips and drops, but I will admit that some parts of that trailer looked rough. This is despite the fact that it doesn't look like they've pushed the graphics very hard.
Given how Hyrule Warriors looked and ran on Wii U compared to this game, I think we should probably expect more from Fire Emblem Warriors.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. That makes zero sense to me. How could this game have framerate problems if it's a Vita port? Switch may not compare well to XB1 and PS4, but it certainly appears to be much more capable than Vita.
Given how Hyrule Warriors looked and ran on Wii U compared to this game, I think we should probably expect more from Fire Emblem Warriors.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. That makes zero sense to me. How could this game have framerate problems if it's a Vita port? Switch may not compare well to XB1 and PS4, but it certainly appears to be much more capable than Vita.
DQH II has one more character and one more boss, take that as "definitive".
Lee Chaolan
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Toadthemushroom
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Same. The four 1Ghz Cortex-A57 CPU cores are two CPU generations ahead of the four 333Mhz Cortex-A9 cores in the Vita while also being clocked 3x as fast, and it seems more like a game that's going to be CPU-bound than GPU-bound, given the visuals aren't a match for PS4. But even then the GPU is an order of magnitude better than the Vita's, and it has 8 times the RAM.
Wonder if this is just an incredibly quick port, we knew some developers didn't even have dev kits or know what the Switch was in the middle of last year...
One other possibility is the visual downgrade might be to lower asset quality in order to fit both games on a 16GB game card, but that doesn't explain the framerate. Still, how big was each game on PS4?
Toadthemushroom
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The weird thing is, in the trailer when you see the Switch in docked mode the framerate is higher. But it probably means nothing and it's just related to the part of the game being shown when it's docked.
Kresnik258
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When the Vita version released people seemed quite surprised that it was a high effort port in that it ran at a fairly steady 30fps and was a downgrade from PS4, but still looked decent. And it seemed to sell accordingly.
I was expecting to see a similar reaction here. "Yeah it's not perfect, but it's portable so I'll take it", but I suppose for a new piece of $300 kit that's much more powerful than Vita, it's not really acceptable.
I was expecting to see a similar reaction here. "Yeah it's not perfect, but it's portable so I'll take it", but I suppose for a new piece of $300 kit that's much more powerful than Vita, it's not really acceptable.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Maybe the Vita port chosen because it might be quicker to port and make minor changes to make it to launch
It's more that there's no reason this doesn't look way better than what it currently looks. The Switch is more than capable enough.
True, but to be fair this is a launch game on a new IP...while KT has years of experience on Vita before they could have games like DQH2 running as solid on the system.
Expect things to improve on future projects - doubt Fire Emblem Warriors will run like this.
Toadthemushroom
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Dragon Quest Heroes 1 is 22.1GB on PS4, and the sequel is 21.7GB. While some of that is going to be down to high quality cutscenes I'm sure asset quality had to be reduced in order to fit both games onto a 16GB game card. Or an 8GB if Square Enix are cheap...
Yeah, Switch devkits went out rather late (which actually explains the lack of software being even ready for launch) as many devs literally didn't know what the device was. Omega Force are working on several Switch games right now (two of which are out in the launch window?), so DQ Heroes is probably a quick and dirty port.
Yeah, Switch devkits went out rather late (which actually explains the lack of software being even ready for launch) as many devs literally didn't know what the device was. Omega Force are working on several Switch games right now (two of which are out in the launch window?), so DQ Heroes is probably a quick and dirty port.
if this is a vita port, it should not be running at 30fps on a console much more powerful!
Omega force a bunch of lazy asses pushing out this kind of thing.
If they do the same with fire emblem, that will be even shittier. Jesus.
My assumption so far has been that the bandwidth is significantly holding back this machine from even what it should be able to do by default, but even this is beyond the pale as an effort.
Omega force a bunch of lazy asses pushing out this kind of thing.
If they do the same with fire emblem, that will be even shittier. Jesus.
My assumption so far has been that the bandwidth is significantly holding back this machine from even what it should be able to do by default, but even this is beyond the pale as an effort.
The_Endgamer
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I wonder if Fire Emblem Warriors is impacting the announcement of this game for Western audiences.
Could imagine lots of overlap with this release and Fire Emblem Warriors from Nintendo's perspective.
Could imagine lots of overlap with this release and Fire Emblem Warriors from Nintendo's perspective.
DXB-KNIGHT
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We might see Dragon Quest before Fire Emblem though, given that Dragon Quest is already finished game, it's just porting, translation of 2 and QA
I'm starting to think the Switch really is a portable Wii U. Crazy how expectations have to be lowered all the way until the release date. We went from "new generation home console Nintendo!" to "well I guess it looks kind of good to play on a plane?". This is really disheartening.
As a primarily portable game Wii U level is already amazing, especially coming from 3DS. I assume exclusives will probably look even better too.
Just wish the device was cheaper.
Well, the Switch version is half the framerate and lower resolution, that's before the aesthetic differences. Also, DQH looks really simplistic on PS4, it's not pushing the hardware.
But, if you consider the Switch as a portable, then it's impressive in that respect and a huge bump over Vita.
Thing is, when the Eurogamer leak in august said Maxwell X1, the consensus was that even in the worst case scenario, it's still way better than the Wii U. When we saw Zelda at E3 we said "looks pretty good, now imagine what it'll look like on the NX!"
Those weren't unreasonable expectations, and yet here we are. This is what I'm talking about, constantly having to lower your standard to accept the Switch as a viable console.
It's going to be marketed in Japan and a handheld console that will eventually replace the 3DS. 3DS/2DS will still be around but I'm guessing only smaller games will get ported to the device in the next 1-2 years.
Also I'm still expecting a peripheral that would provide build in processing to be announced in 2018 for the Switch so there could really be a greater difference between docked and handheld. If you are a big Publisher you might be porting your old games for the first two years to the device - once a processing unit is build to match requirements of new games we might see more current ports to the system.
It mainly depends on people buying 3rd party games on the device. If it just moves Nintendo hardware and Minecraft, it's not going to be an attractive proposition for big titles. If late ports with certain enhancements are made like local co-op, local online - there are big titles that were ported to the PS3 that could make their way to the Switch.
For example how much would a portable MGS5 or Dark Souls1/2 with local co-op or vs sell on the device - if those games sell well, there is more incentive for 3rd parties to come on board and if Nintendo releases a peripheral device to bring the Switch processing closer to PS4 Pro when docked devs can target two versions of their games portable(760p/30fps) and docked. It might mean more work but that depends on whether this is an attractive way to play SP games. I just think that the most popular titles will end up being the ones with multiplayer elements that translate well into local.
Personally I'd love to get a Witcher 3 with all the enhancements on a handheld but I do realize that impossible with the current battery options out there. Also Western games other than Minecraft and Skyrim need to do well on the device. Sports games and late ports to the Switch need to be able to add a few hungered thousand sales otherwise it won't get support long term.
Dragon Quest Heroes for example has been rumored to have 4 player co-op on the Switch - whether that effects the sales in Japan is something we will see fairly shortly. But at the very least it needs to get above 200k lifetime as a launch game to make studios like Square comfortable with porting games to the system
I still think Switch is a good offering initially much better than the 3DS it just doesn't have a system selling game until Splatoon 2 is released in Japan. Maybe it could have been priced more aggressively but if it fails to sell I can see there being a bundle or price drop very early in its life.
There is no 'peripheral' to get switch closer to PS4, let alone Pro which is almost 9x more powerful on the GPU side.
Let's dispel these notions.
Nintendo would have to release a new tablet to the switch with upgraded components and Nintendo are not going to do that anytime soon with the machine not even out yet and having their first party and third party partners used to this machine.
I think we can expect switch's current hardware to be the baseline limit for dedicated hardware for a long while if its successful
Let's dispel these notions.
Nintendo would have to release a new tablet to the switch with upgraded components and Nintendo are not going to do that anytime soon with the machine not even out yet and having their first party and third party partners used to this machine.
I think we can expect switch's current hardware to be the baseline limit for dedicated hardware for a long while if its successful
I will not allow one of my only platinum's to be slandered! Revise thy foul toungue at once!
Forgot where I heard this, someone said that Disgaea 5 had framerate problems as well on the Switch.
Disgaea 5 ? frame rate problem ? on a tactical turn based RPG ? WTF...
Nintendo's 'Supplemental Computing Device' Patent is Cleared for Completion
Its rumoured to support 4 player local co-op
Looks like Nintendo separated all the events from day 2 and reuploaded them as individual videos.
https://youtu.be/h0-6o6yXXWw
https://youtu.be/h0-6o6yXXWw
It's just the DQH2 multiplayer mode in the Switch version which also shows the new boss that is being added to this version of the game.
Begaria
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Uh...not on my end there wasn't. I noticed some dips, but damn did that game stick to 60 if not as close to 60 FPS as possible for the majority of my 70+ hour playthrough.