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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove
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Royal_Flush
Member
Nah, I disagree with my partner here. Ouro needs to die so we know for sure if the chat activity fishing had any usable results.
Vote: Kingkitty
On mobile in a store and not sure how to write Ouro so sorry for voting on the other person.
Vote: Kingkitty
On mobile in a store and not sure how to write Ouro so sorry for voting on the other person.
My issue was with them, not you. Correct me if I'm wrong but you were talking about how it's suspicious to funnel discussion through one player and let the other hide behind "oh I said ____ in the chat". They then asked what you thought about us correlating us to that original statement. I took offense to that because nomad and I have done very little in ours other than my vote analysis N2.
hey_monkey
Banned
dude, honestly, that's been the last ten posts. If you have specific questions, I'm happy to answer them but otherwise I'm just repeating what Flush and I already said. He was alone and chose xKark after the end of d1. When I came in we agreed on Ouro. We were trying to silence scum chat which we... wouldn't do as scum. I dunno what else to tell you.
This feels oddly convenient imo
But you are arguably carrying your boat, Nomad hasn't really done much of anything except be really confusing and obscure about what he says.
:|
Your gut sucks, and Pepe Silvia wants his mail.
Rude
Royal_Flush
Member
Breadcrumb "potshots" few posts above the claim.
I didn't actually ask you
AbsolutBro
Member
Ah. To be clear to everyine, I haven't actually directly accused anyone of actually doing that. I dont know what's going on in your lover chats. It was a "I find huge disparities strange because lover chats are a thing that COULD be used in such and such way".
Like "we discussed X" but you never see both people discuss X in the actual game thread. It allows one partner to say less in the game thread to get caught up in.
ourobolus & kingkitty (10)
sorian
franconp
royal_flush
nin1000
natiko
dr. worm
sawneeks
hey_monkey
nomadic sparks
darryl
sorian
karkador
dr. worm
xbro
acohrs
royal_flush
sawneeks & sorian (1)
ourobolus
ourobolus
hey_monkey & royal_flush (3)
ty4on
kingkitty
nomadic sparks
ourobolus
natiko & nomadic sparks (0)
xbro
trigger & ty4on (2)
absolutbro
hey_monkey
franconp
nin1000
natiko
sawneeks
darryl
karkador
dr. worm
xbro
acohrs
royal_flush
sawneeks & sorian (1)
ourobolus
hey_monkey & royal_flush (3)
ty4on
kingkitty
nomadic sparks
natiko & nomadic sparks (0)
trigger & ty4on (2)
absolutbro
hey_monkey
"Bring out the accused!"
A happy man called Ourobolus, and his trustworthy cat, Kingkitty, were brought to the stage. Why a man's cat was shipping someone, nobody could say for sure, but it was what it was.
”Ourobolus and Kingkitty!", The Bear of Love proclaimed, ”You are being sentenced to most cruel death possible!"
It was a quite bold statement, and made some of the shippers feel uneasy. Was it right to kill an innocent little kitten like this? But before those sentiments could be explored, the kitten began to talk on it's own with regular human speech.
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Nobody batted an eye for a talking kitten, since after all, they had already seen a talking bear on multiple occasions.
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”Krhm... here it goes..."
There was a ten second delay, but then Kingkitty began to trash the audience:
”you there
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if u received our words, say the words "i am a fucken loser" as ur first words. if we think ur not scum, we'll tell u by both saying the words "UR A FUCKEN LOSER".
if u don't do what we say. u will die.
Signed,
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”You will never kill us, because we will do it first!", shouted kingkitty, who took some of his patented KingKitty Arsonist Gasoline (TradeMark), poured it to their ship, and set it in flames without even asking Ourobolus, who was just standing there smiling. And he kept smiling, as the ship kept buring to the ground...
Countless burning postcards and pictures of Bowser and Waluigi kissing burned with them.
Ourobolus & kingkitty have been removed from the game!
Night 3 Begins
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YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 3 FINAL VOTE TALLY:
Ourobolus & kingkitty (10) voted out
Sorian 2588 2930
franconp 2589
Royal_Flush 2592 3291
nin1000 2595
Natiko 2599
Dr. Worm 2600 3341
Sawneeks 2878
hey_monkey 2952 3409
Nomadic Sparks 3021 3443
Darryl 3267
acohrs 3288
Sorian 3289 3292
Karkador 3385
Dr. Worm 3389
Xbro 3435
Royal_Flush 3452
hey_monkey & Royal_Flush (3)
Ty4on 2946
Ourobolus 3105 3379
kingkitty 3276
Nomadic Sparks 3443
Trigger & Ty4on (2)
hey_monkey 3441
AbsolutBro 3450
Sawneeks & Sorian (1)
Ourobolus 2597 3105
Ourobolus 3379
Natiko & Nomadic Sparks (0):Xbro 3398 3435
Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke (0):Muffin1611 2743 2753
No active vote for Day 3: CrimsonFist, rac, Sophia, Sorian (has previously voted), StarSketch, Trigger
Day 3 Postcount: AbsolutBro 19, acohrs 11, CrimsonFist 20, Darryl 20, Dr. Worm 49, franconp 46, hey_monkey 71, Karkador 11, kingkitty 20, Natiko 61, nin1000 9, Nomadic Sparks 21, Ourobolus 238, rac 7, Royal_Flush 32, Sawneeks 28, Sophia 46, Sorian 56, StarSketch 7, Trigger 10, Ty4on 49, Xbro 17
Names in italic joined in the middle of this current day phase
Names in underline failed to meet minimum postcount
12 votes for majority
Ourobolus & kingkitty (10) voted out
franconp 2589
nin1000 2595
Natiko 2599
Sawneeks 2878
Darryl 3267
acohrs 3288
Karkador 3385
Dr. Worm 3389
Xbro 3435
Royal_Flush 3452
hey_monkey & Royal_Flush (3)
Ty4on 2946
kingkitty 3276
Nomadic Sparks 3443
Trigger & Ty4on (2)
hey_monkey 3441
AbsolutBro 3450
Sawneeks & Sorian (1)
Ourobolus 3379
Natiko & Nomadic Sparks (0):
Muffin1611 & Samuraischnecke (0):
No active vote for Day 3: CrimsonFist, rac, Sophia, Sorian (has previously voted), StarSketch, Trigger
Day 3 Postcount: AbsolutBro 19, acohrs 11, CrimsonFist 20, Darryl 20, Dr. Worm 49, franconp 46, hey_monkey 71, Karkador 11, kingkitty 20, Natiko 61, nin1000 9, Nomadic Sparks 21, Ourobolus 238, rac 7, Royal_Flush 32, Sawneeks 28, Sophia 46, Sorian 56, StarSketch 7, Trigger 10, Ty4on 49, Xbro 17
Names in italic joined in the middle of this current day phase
Names in underline failed to meet minimum postcount
12 votes for majority
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Day 4 Begins
Majority is 11 Votes
CrimsonFist
Member
Why would scum kill You are Not reading any real flip :/ they were pretty widely town read.
Vote Sawneeks
Vote Sawneeks
VOTE: StarSketch
Ouro was validated (though I still don't get why he would take the approach he did). Given that and the confirmation of a hooker it seems very unlikely to me mafia would block him twice in a row, especially since it seems unlikely they would have any real idea he was a PR. More likely though is that scum Star received his message N1 and due to that mafia decided to roleblock him N2 to make sure he wouldn't be able to be confirmed without a flip.
Ouro was validated (though I still don't get why he would take the approach he did). Given that and the confirmation of a hooker it seems very unlikely to me mafia would block him twice in a row, especially since it seems unlikely they would have any real idea he was a PR. More likely though is that scum Star received his message N1 and due to that mafia decided to roleblock him N2 to make sure he wouldn't be able to be confirmed without a flip.
hey_monkey
Banned
pre-written:
Unfortunate that Ourokitty rolled up so much suspicion (though some of Ouro's moves just really begged for it). I finally switched off and while I understand the lynch, now we just have to face what we learn from it. Ouro probably wanted us to look over Sawrian. I didn't get the same impressions of Fat's posts that some did and while Sorian does seem kind of lowkey, he is pushing discussion. Sawneeks also seems to be doing more than what I've seen scumNeeks do in the past when pretending to be town, but I will be looking over their posts this day phase.
I'm feeling better about StarBro with the advent of the Bro era because he seems to be starting to develop some ideas that I think will manifest as scumhunting this phase but Star was on my list previously so I'll be keeping that in mind. same with racohrs. Watching to see if they scumhunt and how, because Schmuffin was not coming off as very townie there at the end before they dropped, but it could well have just been frustration.
But scum is somewhere. Probably two more teams? At the end of last day phase, my attention turned to Trigger and Ty. To recap, here are the reasons:
-Trigger's inactivity
-Ty's drop in useful activity - I commented to Flush as I was reading and catching up that Ty felt very involved in everything - helpful, commenting, remarking - but not really pushing stuff. Trading on his reputation, maybe, which makes him come off as a town leader regardless. But then I noticed his persistent vote on Kitsunelaine and had him down as town for that. And maybe it means he is, but it may not be as firm an indicator as I thought. I've been looking back and when he initially voted for kits, he said he'd given thoughts already. Prior to that he voted Fireblend and gave a town/not town list and kits wasn't on either. (His towns, btw, were Ourokitty and VereDragonz, who we now know were in fact town, and also Sophist). Maybe I missed those impressions but mostly he just commented on the argument between kits and Dragonz.
He mentioned the other day that I seemed to have an "agenda," and yes, I do: my agenda is to find scum. I was puzzled over that, because how is it bad? But I think it looks like a standard scummy indictment he uses (it's in #349, too), but I'd love to see it explained. I also see a lot of questions, just general poking questions, not particularly leading, just expansion questions. I've seen scum use those to appear town (but also sometimes town without a good argument yet to push). So I'm uncertain about Ty4on himself at this point. I think an argument could be made either way. Coupled with the weirdness with Trigger, which apparently I wasn't meant to answer even though I brought it up, I find them suspect. I will not lead a lynch train with a first-moment vote or anything but I'd like to foster some discussion there. I'm very interested in what AbBro thinks, since we were leaning in the same direction. Flush reported he was still pretty null on Ty, which is interesting in and of itself at this point in the game, I think.
I'm also going to look at Sophist this day phase just because I felt like they dropped a little off my radar last day phase and I want to dig into why, but I've been super busy these last couple of days with teaching stuff.
last thing: am happy to address any lingering questions from our claim and offer a reminder that Flush is out for maybe this whole day phase, or until the end. I will do my best to answer questions about him based on our chat. I might be sketchy availability for the next few hours (meetings, meetings, meetings) but will do my best (because I hate meetings).
Unfortunate that Ourokitty rolled up so much suspicion (though some of Ouro's moves just really begged for it). I finally switched off and while I understand the lynch, now we just have to face what we learn from it. Ouro probably wanted us to look over Sawrian. I didn't get the same impressions of Fat's posts that some did and while Sorian does seem kind of lowkey, he is pushing discussion. Sawneeks also seems to be doing more than what I've seen scumNeeks do in the past when pretending to be town, but I will be looking over their posts this day phase.
I'm feeling better about StarBro with the advent of the Bro era because he seems to be starting to develop some ideas that I think will manifest as scumhunting this phase but Star was on my list previously so I'll be keeping that in mind. same with racohrs. Watching to see if they scumhunt and how, because Schmuffin was not coming off as very townie there at the end before they dropped, but it could well have just been frustration.
But scum is somewhere. Probably two more teams? At the end of last day phase, my attention turned to Trigger and Ty. To recap, here are the reasons:
-Trigger's inactivity
-Ty's drop in useful activity - I commented to Flush as I was reading and catching up that Ty felt very involved in everything - helpful, commenting, remarking - but not really pushing stuff. Trading on his reputation, maybe, which makes him come off as a town leader regardless. But then I noticed his persistent vote on Kitsunelaine and had him down as town for that. And maybe it means he is, but it may not be as firm an indicator as I thought. I've been looking back and when he initially voted for kits, he said he'd given thoughts already. Prior to that he voted Fireblend and gave a town/not town list and kits wasn't on either. (His towns, btw, were Ourokitty and VereDragonz, who we now know were in fact town, and also Sophist). Maybe I missed those impressions but mostly he just commented on the argument between kits and Dragonz.
He mentioned the other day that I seemed to have an "agenda," and yes, I do: my agenda is to find scum. I was puzzled over that, because how is it bad? But I think it looks like a standard scummy indictment he uses (it's in #349, too), but I'd love to see it explained. I also see a lot of questions, just general poking questions, not particularly leading, just expansion questions. I've seen scum use those to appear town (but also sometimes town without a good argument yet to push). So I'm uncertain about Ty4on himself at this point. I think an argument could be made either way. Coupled with the weirdness with Trigger, which apparently I wasn't meant to answer even though I brought it up, I find them suspect. I will not lead a lynch train with a first-moment vote or anything but I'd like to foster some discussion there. I'm very interested in what AbBro thinks, since we were leaning in the same direction. Flush reported he was still pretty null on Ty, which is interesting in and of itself at this point in the game, I think.
I'm also going to look at Sophist this day phase just because I felt like they dropped a little off my radar last day phase and I want to dig into why, but I've been super busy these last couple of days with teaching stuff.
last thing: am happy to address any lingering questions from our claim and offer a reminder that Flush is out for maybe this whole day phase, or until the end. I will do my best to answer questions about him based on our chat. I might be sketchy availability for the next few hours (meetings, meetings, meetings) but will do my best (because I hate meetings).
CrimsonFist
Member
How do scum know it's from Ouro in this scenario?
hey_monkey
Banned
That's really good reasoning. And it seems like we might not hear much from Star, but I'm guessing we will from AbBro. That puts AbBro agreeing with me on Ty in a new light. Interesting.
hey_monkey
Banned
oh, also a good point, since they weren't identified and there was no claim then, no nothing. okay, not posting anymore for a minute while I think things through. split attention. yikes.
Ouro blurted out the code words at the end of D2 if you recall. His weird kamen rider post. On mobile so I can't go find it.
CrimsonFist
Member
Actually that's not right, Ouro posted the comment to identify himself on day 2, so they should have known who it was from if they got it.
I have doubts that scum would actually lie about not receiving the message though. It would look townier to claim it.
I have doubts that scum would actually lie about not receiving the message though. It would look townier to claim it.
CrimsonFist
Member
RoyalMonkey, one question about your claim:
If you were out of shots at the start of the day, why wait until right before the end to claim?
If you were out of shots at the start of the day, why wait until right before the end to claim?
StarSketch
Banned
Good point, except I wasn't lying :|
...Wait, when was hooker confirmed, or is this "We had Virgins, therefore hooker"
Also a good point.
hey_monkey
Banned
We both thought the day was longer - and I thought we had another hour today before day start, too. I was gonna add more to my prewritten but I'll work on it later. Apparently I am shit at following times when they differ from the games I played in the past.
But we were also hoping to fish around for hints on whether anyone else was blocked but now of course we know no one else was. If we claimed right off, we probably wouldn't have gotten any even if we had been right.
Hooker hasn't been confirmed. But if neither party received Ouro/KK's messages, then it implies that something stopped them from sending it twice in a row. The presence of a Vrigin makes a Hooker likely.
So it's kind of odd that Natiko jumped straight to confirmed Hooker there. Unless there was a detail I missed.
StarSketch
Banned
Got it.
So we're going to go back to arguing semantics and whether the game would be designed with that as a red herring or not? Given the presence of a Virgin and their role pm implying their power can be deactivated it's far more likely than not that a hooker exists.
We spent a good portion of yesterday deliberating on if we actually thought there was a hooker. From what I recall we came to the conclusion that there is most likely a hooker.
Sorian was arguing that it could be a town hooker iirc.
Semantics, yes, but nothing is truly confirmed until we see it in a flip. The distinction is important, given that town has limited avenues for confirmation information.
hey_monkey:
I dropped in activity because I was moving. Pretty sure I mentioned that. Most of the day was spent driving all day and I couldn't do much in the passenger seat without getting sick. I'm still not done packing out because of the introduction program to uni and I needed to buy some stuff. I was lucky to catch the day end when we were stuck in a queue at Ikea lol
I dropped in activity because I was moving. Pretty sure I mentioned that. Most of the day was spent driving all day and I couldn't do much in the passenger seat without getting sick. I'm still not done packing out because of the introduction program to uni and I needed to buy some stuff. I was lucky to catch the day end when we were stuck in a queue at Ikea lol
just fyi, my laptop broke a couple days ago, and I today I found out that the MBP I'm using has a faulty GPU that causes kernel panics. I'm also gonna be on a flight tomorrow, so my engagement is gonna be pretty low this phase.
so I only just read this over the Night phase, and it looks like this "multiple scummates" theory is btfo by Ouro's flip. yeah, I didn't see it coming either.
that said, it does confirm that there was at least one town train going at the end of D2, which means that scum had a chance to shift votes away from themselves at some point. CrimSophistia's sticking to kitfep doesn't mesh with that narrative
so I only just read this over the Night phase, and it looks like this "multiple scummates" theory is btfo by Ouro's flip. yeah, I didn't see it coming either.
that said, it does confirm that there was at least one town train going at the end of D2, which means that scum had a chance to shift votes away from themselves at some point. CrimSophistia's sticking to kitfep doesn't mesh with that narrative
I'm re-reading over Sorian's Day 3 posts right now. I did find that argument odd. Also odd that he suggested that Ouro/KK weren't a messenger.
At the same time I wonder if scum!Sorian would be so bold to put himself out there like that. Hmm...
Well while you worry about the semantics I'm going to work with the most likely scenario as nothing can be confirmed without flips and I'd have to wait for the game to end to see all of those.
Actually that's a very interesting post from Sorian you pulled up. If Ouro wasn't a messenger, what reason would Sorian have for believing he was roleblocked? The only reason to believe he wasn't a messenger is that no one received messages, which is nullified if he believes he was roleblocked anyway.
'i am a fucken loser'
also RIP You are not reading any real flip. ; __ ;
I feel like I shouldn't have to explain to you why not explaining your votes is a bad thing. :x
Yeah, Ouro's flip was not what I expected it to be. With that in mind I don't think that Sophia/Crimson are Scum unless they just decided to bus Kits really early but considering the votes that seems unlikely too....
also RIP You are not reading any real flip. ; __ ;
I feel like I shouldn't have to explain to you why not explaining your votes is a bad thing. :x
Yeah, Ouro's flip was not what I expected it to be. With that in mind I don't think that Sophia/Crimson are Scum unless they just decided to bus Kits really early but considering the votes that seems unlikely too....
Crimson actually noticed it near the end of Day 3 when Ouro was asking us who'd we go after:
CrimsonFist
Member
On day 1 Sorian's vote on Orb basically killed any chance of the Kitsune train gaining
steam. I gave this a pass on day 2, but looks slightly different under the light that Kitsune was scum.
On day 2, Sorian started a train on Ouro, who we now know is town, against Kitsune who we know is scum. Sorian was "scum reading" Kitsune, but only voted there later on as self preservation. He also made comments which to me felt like they were trying to dissuade people voting that way.
On day 3 he put forward some really weird arguments against Ouro, in particular the one quoted above about thinking Ouro was role blocked but not a mailman, as well as the town hooker theory.
CrimsonFist
Member
The "town hooker" stuff almost feels to me as though scum know they didn't block Ouro both days, and that's why that's coming up as an argument. Natiko's insistence that scum didn't block Ouro both days sort of feels this way as well.
all i can tell you there is they were annoyed at all the 1v1s
So do you think scum were not informed that one of their actions doubled as a virgin disabler or do you think the virgin role pm lied? Because unless you think either of those the only way you come to the conclusion that scum roleblocker Ouro twice in a row is that they decided with no evidence he was a powerful enough PR to use two straight blocks on and risk having a night kill skipped.
hey_monkey
Banned
Hate moving. Love Ikea though. Still doesn't make moving worth it. Yuck.
I think this is a good question, one I wanted to highlight.
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