lunchwithyuzo
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The major growth this generation was mostly Japanese driven.JaxJag said:
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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JaxJag said:
The only major games from the West to expand the industry this generation were Call of Duty, Angry Birds, Farmville, and maybe Guitar Hero/Just Dance. I don't see how those games are less "embarrassing" than the games of the 90s...
test_account
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Sure, they are all within the same franchise.alphaNoid said:
Completely broken is hyperbole. I've played GT5 at launch and it worked fine. I agree that they should have worked maybe 2-3 more months to iron out some of the smaller issue though, but the game was far from being "completely broken".Mizzou Gaming said:
JaxJag said:
Oh damn, you almost had me fooled.
For the record: a subtle troll at least pretends to respond to the post they're quoting. You've got the "repeat the same bullet points over and over regardless of context" part down, but you have to tie it back into what you're responding to. You know, like when you take a test and you restate the question within your answer while you bullshit.
test_account
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Wow. If all those patches were to fix bugs and glitches etc., then i wonder how the game was at launchBluth54 said:
EDIT: I guess maybe not all patches was to fix bugs and glitches though, could be added content and balancing stuff etc. like that website said (i read a bit fast the first time when i posted).
pharmboy044
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Of course they do but only when they're doing bad.ZeroRay said:
a Master Ninja
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I want to know the PS3/360 sales split on Dark Souls and Arkham City. Anybody?
I find myself agreeing with JaxJag to a degree. At least in terms of aesthetics.
Bayonetta was definitely embarrassing to play in front of my wife whereas playing say, Catwoman in Batman was not.
Playing Pokemon or DQ on the train would be a little embarrassing whereas playing Plants and Zombies or Angry Birds would not be.
My personal feelings, of course.
I look forward to the day when Japanese games "feel" like they are made for a more broad audience than male super geeks and 12 year old kids.
I'm generalizing but it's definitely something I feel is true when I compare Western games with Japanese ones.
Bayonetta was definitely embarrassing to play in front of my wife whereas playing say, Catwoman in Batman was not.
Playing Pokemon or DQ on the train would be a little embarrassing whereas playing Plants and Zombies or Angry Birds would not be.
My personal feelings, of course.
I look forward to the day when Japanese games "feel" like they are made for a more broad audience than male super geeks and 12 year old kids.
I'm generalizing but it's definitely something I feel is true when I compare Western games with Japanese ones.
Valve has a tendency to break things when they add new stuff, and then break other things when they fix what they broke the first time.test_account said:Wow. If all those patches were to fix bugs and glitches etc., then i wonder how the game was at launch
EDIT: I guess maybe not all patches was to fix bugs and glitches though, could be added content and balancing stuff etc. like that website said (i read a bit fast the first time when i posted).
Alrus said:
Not the case at all. I'd happily tell students at work that I play Angry Birds, not the case with Pokemon.
It is connected to the image that the game has in the eyes of the general public. Pokemon is a kids game, people only really expect elementary and JH kids to play it. Angry Birds is seen more as a casual game, a short time filler. It's something pretty much someone of any age would play.
Part of that might be the platforms said games are on but it also has to do with aesthetics and observation.
EDIT Not to mention they are examples. Why pick apart the quality of my examples instead of addressing my point.
Well what codeblue said. I think the Pokemon example is invalid by the way, the reason you're embarrassed to play it is because it's a franchise aimed at kids, and that fact has nothing to do with it being Japanese... So it doesn't really help Jaxjag's (pretty stupid) argument.
The DQ one is debatable, I don't really see why it would be embarrassing to play.
The Bayonetta example is fine, but Mass Effect and Dragon Age both have ridiculous sexualisation too (although not quite so over the top, but still, some pretty embarrassing stuff in there) and they're western made.
All in all, you and Jaxjag are generalizing, and that's just a pretty dumb thing to do.
The DQ one is debatable, I don't really see why it would be embarrassing to play.
The Bayonetta example is fine, but Mass Effect and Dragon Age both have ridiculous sexualisation too (although not quite so over the top, but still, some pretty embarrassing stuff in there) and they're western made.
All in all, you and Jaxjag are generalizing, and that's just a pretty dumb thing to do.
A Twisty Fluken
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Alrus said:
the slime is ALL HAPPY and shit
Delio said:
It's subjective, that goes without saying. Which means that JaxJag has a point.
Alrus said:
Don't focus on each example. I was attempting to support my point with examples. The point I made was that Japanese games, in general are aimed more at kids and geeks.
Doesn't mean that the same thing doesn't happen with Western games (it does, plenty of stuff aimed at geeks/hardcore) or that Western games' aesthetics can't be embarrassing, too (dudebro in Gears or Mass Effect examples). I think it's a matter of degrees though and would agree that Japanese games (again, in general) are more "embarrassing" because, like I said before they aren't nearly as much aimed at my age group as Western games are.
I also don't strictly agree with the ME example. I don't think it's embarrassing nor do I think it's overly sexualized. If you go into a strip club/seedy club then you'd expect to see girls dancing. Seems realistic to me. Bayonetta on the other hand comes across as some sort of 30 year old Japanese man's idea of the perfect woman (insane proportions and a desire to show it off at the drop of a hat).
I will say this too. It's an irrefutable fact that games are far more legitimate as a form of entertainment in the West than they are in Japan.
Flying_Phoenix
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Microsoft has been on fire this gen. They should really be praised for their strategy.
Nintendo gets a lot of love but they more so lucked out and due to their system marching in uncharted territory they didn't really know where to take it.
EDIT - When playing a game, Western cliches aren't as embarrassing as Japanese cliches, due to them being well Western...
Nintendo gets a lot of love but they more so lucked out and due to their system marching in uncharted territory they didn't really know where to take it.
EDIT - When playing a game, Western cliches aren't as embarrassing as Japanese cliches, due to them being well Western...
Salacious Crumb
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Kusagari said:
If a 100+ hour rpg of any kind is considered 'mainstream' then what the fuck is hardcore?
John Harker
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a Master Ninja said:
DS about 30k favoring PS3. Surprisingly close considering the PS3 pedigree.
Mariah Carey
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mujun said:
Except your comparison falls apart with almost any other example? Mario and Zelda really aren't any more (or less, really) embarrassing than Angry Birds.
mujum said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but every time I'm in Japan I'm surprised how much 'bigger' videogames are there than in the States. It seems like everybody plays games there; girls, boys, teens, grandparents. Pop stars actually release singles for video game soundtracks. I remember there was a commercial where two people are in a supermarket and they fight over something and menus start popping up on the screen like it's some RPG battle or something. Videogames are steeped in the culture there in ways I've never seen in the West.
BishopLamont
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You talk like this is a surprise or any sort of achievement, its amazing. I just had to quote this.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Mariah Carey said:
I don't think it does. I think my examples hold up better than yours and that there are far more examples of games that support my argument over yours. Mario and Zelda aren't good examples imo, they have a certain timelessness and care put into them that makes them transcend the age group they are aimed at (read even as a 36 year old I wouldn't feel too embarrassed playing the latest 3DS Mario on the train.
Mariah Carey said:
This is totally untrue and sounds like the observations of someone who only knows Japan as an outsider. I don't want to come off condescending, please don't take it that way but I've been in Japan a long time and (ironically the examples you gave seem to support my argument) video games are far less accepted as an adult past time here. Generally speaking games are aimed at teens and kids and if you aren't one of those and you play them well, you are immature and should move on to womanizing/work/boozing (men) or rearing the kids/working/shopping (women).
Gender stereotypes (and age stereotypes) are much stricter here.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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So what did Ace Combat do? Didn't Project Aces says that if the game flopped the series was dead?
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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Ace Combat died last gen.
Is it subjective or really a personal insecurity? I think American gamers judge things way to critically on what others play and that general outlook on those types of games brings forth insecurities when playing them.