isn't this a standard practice now with the HD releases of MH3P, MGS Peace Walker etc?
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Media Create Sales: Week 46, 2011 (Nov 14 - Nov 20)
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isn't this a standard practice now with the HD releases of MH3P, MGS Peace Walker etc?
Considering you can count the number of western properties that have ever sold 400-500k+ in Japan on your hands, I'd say it is pretty rare. Basically 1-2 franchises per generation.
Also, I think you overstate how many titles break 2-3M in Japan. It's basically just Nintendo's biggest franchises, Monster Hunter Portable, numbered Dragon Quest titles, and (previously) numbered Final Fantasy titles. A successful AAA console title in Japan sells 400k-800k these days unless it is a Nintendo title.
So it's essentially a remake with extra content? I had thought it was a bit more than that. If that's the case I'm not sure why people expected it to sell much more than this. There can't be that many people interested in that kind of game that doesn't own a DS or is willing to buy an upgraded version a year late.
ranmafan
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Well I havent finished the game yet, but Im told there is content passed where the DS version ends. But since Im working through the DS version too (been doing that for most this summer since I've had no time) I cant verify it myself yet. But there are certainly many additions to the story.
electroplankton
Banned
Yes, in fact I was saying that very successful Western franchises performed well in past years, and this is not uncommon; both San Andreas and Vice City opened with over 200k the first week and ended with 400k copies on PS2; Fifa had some success on PS2 back in the days (over 200k), and Sony IPs such as Ratchet & Clank and Crash Bandicoot did succeed (the latter was a million seller in Japan). Obviously, it's also true that PS3 had a lot of Western games in its first years and so it creates an active fanbase in this sense, I don't think any Japanese developer should be worries about this situation concerning its country.
White Knight Chronicles sold more than it should. Its not Sonys Faults that they can't manage to make a good Console game (since Dark Cloud 2)
Regardless of quality, games on the PS3 (and Vita) represent a bigger investment development-wise than making 3DS games. Their 3DS games continue to sell well, also regardless of quality. I can definitely see them scaling back on Sony Platforms.
You're forgetting Little Battlers.
Last we saw, the only 3DS game released (Layton) was selling worse than Little Battlers
Not really.
It actually sold a lot worse than many "small budget" RPGs on PS3. That surely had smaller marketing campaigns.
The only explanation for this much bombage I can think of is that the DS game must have been recieved really badly. Or it's a delayed response to the quality of WKC. Most likely a bit of both.
It did significantly worse than the last 3 Gust titles on PS3. It's good to see that the Japanese PS3 market seems to be influenced by the quality of a developer's ouput and not just marketing.
No?
I thought the last we saw about these games was the chart that Nintendo gave in the last financial report. And Little Battlers was ahead of Layton.
I guess the price cut helped Layton.
No, you cannot compare Layton on the 3DS to Little Battlers. It is an awful comparison.
What are you talking about?
Grimmy is impliying that Little Battlers wasn't successful because it didn't sell 500k copies. And that their 3ds "games" are successful, when only one game has been released and surely has not sold 500k copies.
My mistake, I thought you were talking about development costs and copies sold of games in general not in relation to Level-5.
My bad, I was looking at Famitsu data, Nintendo uses MC.
Anyway, LBE is right just above Layton. It's not like one is selling 2x as much as the other.
Apart from Layton and Inazumi11, I don't see many games doing well on the 3DS as well. The PSP was a great profitable one for them and that is a Sony one. WKC did very well for what it was and, while the investment was larger than your avarage portable games, they did break and hence getting a sequel and a spin-off on the PSP.
Don't forget that the 3DS als needs a heavier investment and a bomb will make them cry more than they do it on the Ds. Also, disregarding the quality is silly, its about word of mouth and if the game is not good, it will not sell, especially if its a Level-5 game. Its already obvious that the market are quite weary about thier output and they need to be careful not to blow the few fans they have.
I read before that Level-5 wanted Little Battlers to sell 500,000 at least. It didn't even hit 400,000.
As for 3DS, I admittedly misspoke - I meant the DS/3DS family. Layton was a launch game for a new system and it did more than Little Battlers. The PSP sold 18 million and it still couldn't even get to 500,000.
And I'm speaking from the viewpoint of Level-5, not from consumer's viewpoint. So there's nothing silly about disregarding the quality. That's not what I'm talking about.
Thanks for the correction
I don't think Hino ever talked about sales target (search gives me Hino wanting Time Travelers to sell at least 500k).
You are also forgetting that Layton is a huge proven IP and Little Battlers was a new IP. The first installment of a new IP with similar target (Inazuma Eleven) sold 400k LTD on the DS.
Nintendo handhelds are obviously better suited to the kind of games that Level 5 makes but I think Little Batters has sold fine. And Hino probably thinks so too because a sequel is in the making.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Level 5 is in trouble!!!!!
Never fear Crossover of the forever is here to save the day
Never fear Crossover of the forever is here to save the day
Hopefully
Shadow of the BEAST
Banned
WOW a 100k+ for battlefield 3, uncharted 3 and almost 200k for cod.
The presence of western developed games is growing in japan.
Maybe their isolationistic focus on handhelds is starting to bite them in the bum.
The presence of western developed games is growing in japan.
Maybe their isolationistic focus on handhelds is starting to bite them in the bum.
it's not like it's illegal for western devs to make handheld games.
PdotMichael
Banned
even a mediocre game with Ghibli support is just a mediocre game
-Pyromaniac-
Member
early impressions seem good. You didn't like the game?
Which is true, but the install base is also an important factor. PSP has a vastly bigger install base than the 3DS. For a big new IP like Little Battlers, I think Level-5 has higher expectations than what it's selling now.
Hino obviously is thinking of a sequel for Little Battlers. And it will most likely be on the 3DS.
At least, it should be
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah, i didnt know that White Knight Chronicles sold that well.
True, that is why i wrote "new IP console RPGs" and not just "new IP"
charlequin
Banned
I take great joy in Level 5 getting knocked back down to Earth here.
walking fiend
Member
Does Ni No Kuni resonate well with PS3 demographic?
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Congratulations to Yeshua for winning the ranking by units and by points/percentages.
Past Predictions Results:
11/07-11/13 Predictions Results
10/31-11/06 Predictions Results
10/24-10/30 Predictions Results
Prediction League Results 2009-2010
Code:
Results By Units By Points
1 16534 Yeshua 13,16% Yeshua
2 31534 frankie_baby 23,01% frankie_baby
3 69742 Chris1964 61,11% BurntPork
4 73278 Orgen 67,25% FINALFANTASYDOG
5 79402 BurntPork 70,68% Chris1964
6 80977 Road 70,69% Road
7 81479 FINALFANTASYDOG 74,92% Kurosaki Ichigo
8 81534 cw_sasuke 78,98% Mpl90
9 86534 LOCK 80,74% cw_sasuke
10 86534 zomgbbqftw 93,93% Orgen
11 86974 Mpl90 98,84% LOCK
12 92278 thestopsign 100,72% starship
13 92534 Kurosaki Ichigo 101,91% zomgbbqftw
14 109658 Kenka 109,70% thestopsign
15 112331 duckroll 112,78% Kenka
16 114402 starship 117,90% duckroll
17 176068 lunchwithyuzo 204,83% lunchwithyuzo
18 188658 Spiegel 224,56% Spiegel
19 235658 miladesn 234,84% miladesn
20 318658 M_Night 427,95% M_Night
21 339402 ULTROS! 443,90% ULTROS!
** 142469 *saichi 114,51% *saichi
* missed deadline
11/14-11/20 Sales Mpl90 Kenka Spieg lunch M_Nig ULTRO stars LOCK Burnt Orgen Yeshu Chris Road thest Kuro cw_sa duckr frank milad zomgb FINAL
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PS3 NinoKuni 67032 83708 111000 175000 176543 320000 310000 95000 120000 80000 119000 70000 98765 88888 120000 87000 103000 116275 70000 168000 120000 82312
PS3 CODMW3s 180372 201420 211000 200000 232101 200000 175000 130000 210000 130000 174000 190000 210987 222222 170000 237000 220000 212663 200000 284000 200000 221321
Difference 0 86974 109658 188658 176068 318658 339402 114402 86534 79402 73278 16534 69742 80977 92278 92534 81534 112331 31534 235658 86534 81479
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PS3 NinoKuni 0 16676 43968 107968 109511 252968 242968 27968 52968 12968 51968 2968 31733 21856 52968 19968 35968 49243 2968 100968 52968 15280
PS3 CODMW3s 0 21048 30628 19628 51729 19628 -5372 -50372 29628 -50372 -6372 9628 30615 41850 -10372 56628 39628 32291 19628 103628 19628 4094911/07-11/13 Predictions Results
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Cygnus X-1
Member
I don't know if I'm happy to see MW3 doing well in Japan...
Well, whatever.
Well, whatever.
There's LBX Boost first (next week?) but I doubt it'll do anything great, it's releasing way too close to the original.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think that it is released today (japanese time, Thursday).
Did he recently change his username or have i read it wrong all the time? Hehe. I've always read it as BurkPoint.
It'll be gone from the charts in less than a month. Don't worry.