I forgot the "4GB" before you quoted me but I guess you got my point. I'm upgrading from a GTX 460 so I expect to be able to play maxed out at 1920X1200. Maybe a 2GB model might be sufficient enough.
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Intel Ivy Bridge Reviews & Info CPUs, Motherboards, Sandy Bridge Compatibility
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I forgot the "4GB" before you quoted me but I guess you got my point. I'm upgrading from a GTX 460 so I expect to be able to play maxed out at 1920X1200. Maybe a 2GB model might be sufficient enough.
Do poeple honestly believe that Haswell will OC a lot better than a IB which both are on the same die size? I think that Haswell will OC just as bad as IB but is around 20% faster than it at the same speed. I really don't think that poeple with SB will want to upgrade to Haswell next year
I'm skeptical myself. I know Feist has made reference to it being a worthy chip, but the cynic in me thinks Intel is basically road-mapping everything with the notebook market in mind. I'm not really optimistic anymore.
Huw_Dawson
Member
To clarify - for video encoding and live video streaming, Ivy Bridge will not improve significantly on Sandy Bridge? So I should just hop on the 2500k bandwagon and wait to see how well the next set of processors does?
To me, the most significant thing is the native USB 3.0 support. Fingers crossed it finally means that a USB 3.0 device can actually be trusted to be actually universal from this year onwards.
To me, the most significant thing is the native USB 3.0 support. Fingers crossed it finally means that a USB 3.0 device can actually be trusted to be actually universal from this year onwards.
Might stick with my Q9550 too and just get a better GPU with the savings of not getting a new motherboard/cpu/ram.
SSD + GPU will be a huge boost over my 7200RPM drive and slow broken ass 4870
You might want to post that in the PC thread. For gaming the i7 offers no improvement over the i5 2500k. But for encoding and streaming, I'm pretty sure you want i7. Ask in that thread. There are guys into that who can tell you what you're really looking for.
So far IB seems to be cheaper than SB according to some sites
crimzonflame
Member
When will these hit the market? I will be building a new computer in May for Diablo 3.
Instead of retyping the same thing, I'll repost what I mentioned to Sethos. Many of you already know this, but, for those who don't, some things to keep in mind:
Retail stepping is different from previous ESs.
I'd recommend waiting until IB launches, and reading as many retail part reviews as you can (at least 5-7+); particularly those with average, and max air/water overclocking results.
Retail stepping is different from previous ESs.
I'd recommend waiting until IB launches, and reading as many retail part reviews as you can (at least 5-7+); particularly those with average, and max air/water overclocking results.
I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. The second sentence should clear it up. That post isn't really about Intel, at all.
Heh. Yeah, "hell of a thing" isn't reading well.
Monday next week!
·feist·;37043272 said:
I know you've mentioned you've considered doing a Maxwell thread (but already felt you had enough with the AMD thread), but I'd really be interested in you laying Maxwell out some time in layman's terms that us mortals could understand. I want reasons to be excited.
It was in the anandtech article in the OP for the 3770K (I believe?) linked in the OP.
Only under load. Idle was the same.
Exactly what I am doing. I guess I'll just wait if they are out next week.
Yup. If you aren't reading 5+ articles with 20 page reviews you aren't doing ti right·feist·;37043272 said:
fwiw I talked to the intel rep at PAX about anandtech benches (power consumption) and he just told me to look at retail launch.
670 should be near end of this month as with Ivy.
brotkasten
Member
And I skipped SB earlier this year for this ... I really hope it wasn't a mistake and the retail chips will look better when it comes to power consumption and overclocking.
Hah, I skipped SB since early LAST year for Ivy......
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The Everyman
it can run starcraft on high at 40~ at 1080p thats more than enough for playing the majority of pc games at great settings. igfx also has way less heat, way more battery life, can fit in a thin chassis, and has a longer lifetime
Hate you, Haz. You know what I mean. Some products you want to get as broad a cross section as possible.Yup. If you aren't reading 5+ articles with 20 page reviews you aren't doing ti right
You've managed to miss the point. Among the list of things you've overlooked:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35047866&postcount=1034
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34823039&postcount=1020 (skip forward to HSA)
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...uick-sync-video/quick-sync-video-general.html
That's without even touching on how much they stand to gain from buyers of their "ass" iGP, over sales of $400-800 discrete options, and how gaming as a whole benefits from iGP advances.
You've got Nvidia on the brain, silly. Uh, maybe? Would you believe I was saving myself for Skylake?
Dammit, GAF. Why won't one of you start a Haswell --> Skymont thread?
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Not true. There will be a significant upgrade to video encoding performance thanks to the second generation of Intel's QuickSync technology.
SLI ruins framerate consistency so I would stay clear of that.
xemumanic
Member
Wow, a CPU, RAM, and mobo upgrade would cost me less than $570. That's an insane deal for a high-end chip.
I'm planning on going from an Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 with 4GB of RAM to a Core i7 3770 with 16GB of RAM. In all, I'll actually end up spending $700-750 because I'll also need a new OS drive (maybe an SSD), and one of those pre-sealed water coolers. I could spend less and get an i5 or something, and be really cost-effective, but I want this new machine to last me a while.
I can't believe its going to be such a cost effective upgrade, considering what I get. It's a bigger jump in horsepower than I've gotten in the past......15 or more years.
I'm planning on going from an Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 with 4GB of RAM to a Core i7 3770 with 16GB of RAM. In all, I'll actually end up spending $700-750 because I'll also need a new OS drive (maybe an SSD), and one of those pre-sealed water coolers. I could spend less and get an i5 or something, and be really cost-effective, but I want this new machine to last me a while.
I can't believe its going to be such a cost effective upgrade, considering what I get. It's a bigger jump in horsepower than I've gotten in the past......15 or more years.
any benchmarks of laptop IGP versions? Want to get a view on how much of an improvement over sandy bridge and low-end discrete GPUs this will be.
brotkasten
Member
That's hard. It's not that bad for me, I'm still rocking a Q6600 @ 3.6 GHz and don't play (m)any games, but I just want new hardware and a board with EFI, because the post screen takes longer than booting Windows.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
Not true, my sir.
Second generation of Core 2, Yorkfield, still have higher IPC than any AMD processor, including Phenom II, Bulldozer or Llano. 4 years after their release.
Thuban x6 can compete due to extra cores, but thats it. Per thread performance, power consumption or OC headroom still behind Q9000 series.
Intel CPU + AMD GPU still the way to go in laptops. Maybe Kepler can change that, but Nvidia wasn't so good at mid-low range so far.
Don't hold your breath. Intel do not drop prices ever, because that would devaluate new releases. Just have a look at 775 or 1366 prices.
And true 3.0 performance too:
So far, it looks like lower TDP and power consumption, negligible CPU improvement, huge GPU improvement, but problematic temps. I'm not sure if Intel could be able to fix temps in future steppings, or it's an issue due to Trigate being unable to dissipate heat.
It's an upgrade worth only to AM3/775 gaming users eager to mount high end GPU's over GTX570 or multi GPU setups. I would not upgrade anything over i7 920 for raw performance. Maybe only for performance/watt.
Imp the Dimp
Member
AMD Phenom II X4 965@3,4 Ghz
Should I skip Ivy?
Should I skip Ivy?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I wouldn't upgrade for the sake of upgrading, but if you're upgrading anyway then yes, you'd see a pretty nice improvement.
Edvardelis
Member
Nope. Prices pretty much stay the same until the stock runs out.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Which is very good news for companies like Blackmagic who have been having hell with getting their bandwidth-intensive products working reliably!
I might well go for an Ivy Bridge system then, once I've got the money together.
bigmit3737
Member
I have a E5200.
I was looking for a Q9550 because I don't really want to upgrade fully yet, but Q9550 used are expensive because they are rare now, no?
I was thinking of a full upgrade end of the year or next year.
The next set of chips come out early next year?
I was looking for a Q9550 because I don't really want to upgrade fully yet, but Q9550 used are expensive because they are rare now, no?
I was thinking of a full upgrade end of the year or next year.
The next set of chips come out early next year?
Yeah. They have a premium because they're sought by people with dual cores who want an upgrade without ditching their entire system.
I sold my Q9400 last month for 150.
I don't think there's been any speculation on when Haswell is releasing other than 2013. But with the less than smooth roll out of Ivy Bridge, I wouldn't go expecting Haswell to be rolling out in early 2013. Even if it's possible, it'd be poor business on Intel's part.
UBM TechInsights takes first look inside Intels latest Ivy Bridge processor
An industry-first by Intel, 3D Tri-Gate technology makes processors possible at the 22nm process node and beyond.
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/uplo...ews_Room/UBM TechInsights - PR - 04112012.pdf
"A TEM cross section of an Ivy Bridge chip (above) taken by TechInsights shows the 3-D transistors."
Logic Detailed Structural Analysis of the Intel 22nm Ivy Bridge Processor
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/repo...market-reports/Report-Profile/?ReportKey=7837
Analysts start Intel Ivy Bridge CPU teardown
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4370843/Analysts-start-Intel-Ivy-Bridge-CPU-teardown
"A die photo of the Ivy Bridge chip (top) also taken by TechInsights, is compared to a die photo of a current Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2600K CPU (bottom)."
Intel to Present on 22-nm Tri-gate Technology at VLSI Symposium
http://www.electroiq.com/blogs/chip...nm-tri-gate-technology-at-vlsi-symposium.html
"TEM images of Intel 22-nm PMOS tri-gate transistor (a) and source/drain region (b)"
An industry-first by Intel, 3D Tri-Gate technology makes processors possible at the 22nm process node and beyond.
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/uplo...ews_Room/UBM TechInsights - PR - 04112012.pdf
"A TEM cross section of an Ivy Bridge chip (above) taken by TechInsights shows the 3-D transistors."
Logic Detailed Structural Analysis of the Intel 22nm Ivy Bridge Processor
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/repo...market-reports/Report-Profile/?ReportKey=7837
Analysts start Intel Ivy Bridge CPU teardown
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4370843/Analysts-start-Intel-Ivy-Bridge-CPU-teardown
"A die photo of the Ivy Bridge chip (top) also taken by TechInsights, is compared to a die photo of a current Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2600K CPU (bottom)."
Intel to Present on 22-nm Tri-gate Technology at VLSI Symposium
http://www.electroiq.com/blogs/chip...nm-tri-gate-technology-at-vlsi-symposium.html
"TEM images of Intel 22-nm PMOS tri-gate transistor (a) and source/drain region (b)"
HP EliteBook 8470p Review Intel Ivy Bridge Shines
http://www.laptopreviews.com/hp-elitebook-8470p-review-intel-ivy-bridge-shines-2012-04
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Nice, I will be picking up one of these, along with a new mobo a SSD and a ton of ram.
Should be a great upgrade from my q6600 and 4gb.
Should be a great upgrade from my q6600 and 4gb.
brotkasten
Member
When is the embargo up?
I never said anything about IPC. At the same price point, Phenom II wasn't much slower than Lynnfield at stock speeds.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
Maybe because 'stock' speed means the Lynnfield was at 2'66Ghz and the Phenom II was at 3'6Ghz. With no oc margin (cap at 4ghz when using x64 OS), greater power consumption and TDP. Phenom II was cheaper because it was a worse CPU and platform by far.
Intel about 95W TDP
It looks like retail Ivy Bridge, along BIOS updates for the mobo, are improving the OC a lot:
First and unpolished OC, user said.
Old Bios
New Bios (-0.12 Vcore)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33305541&postcount=515
Intel about 95W TDP
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...s-with-95w-tdp-but-uses-a-maximum-of-77w.html
It looks like retail Ivy Bridge, along BIOS updates for the mobo, are improving the OC a lot:
First and unpolished OC, user said.
Old Bios
New Bios (-0.12 Vcore)
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33305541&postcount=515
To solder your IHS, or not to solder your IHS. Expect to see this more often.
i7 3770K die
Also...
You may want to re-run some benchmarks, readings, and OCs to refresh your memory. Baring access to the parts you mentioned, have a look at reviews.
i7 3770K die
Also...
This is incorrect.
You may want to re-run some benchmarks, readings, and OCs to refresh your memory. Baring access to the parts you mentioned, have a look at reviews.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
Funny thing is Intel use to solder only high end CPU HIS.
Sure they are treating Ivy socket 1155 as a mid range CPU.
No need to:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/80?vs=49
Yorkfield have better IPC than Deneb and Thuban. Have better Oc than Deneb and similar to Thuban. And have lower power consumption than both aided by HKMG.
Also Thuban and Deneb have better IPC than Zambezi, as Yorkfield or Conroe have.
Tell me how can I be incorrect about that.
Sure they are treating Ivy socket 1155 as a mid range CPU.
·feist·;37141474 said:
No need to:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/80?vs=49
Yorkfield have better IPC than Deneb and Thuban. Have better Oc than Deneb and similar to Thuban. And have lower power consumption than both aided by HKMG.
Also Thuban and Deneb have better IPC than Zambezi, as Yorkfield or Conroe have.
Tell me how can I be incorrect about that.
And this would be one of the reasons for that cross section. Plus, it helps to have multiple samples of different Intel, and AMD products from the last few generations.
Something like this would be a better starting point:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/spider-has-been-squashed-dragon
Bench is a basic, quick reference tool. That's all. Does it account for changes in BIOS, driver updates, and other revisions which may be critical to performance, and stability? Gremlins, and unexpected variances you may come across during testing? The result of sub-par/average/cherry samples being compared to other sub-par/average/cherry products?
Whether or not you take into account the different states of Intel and AMD's 45nm maturity, you seem to be forgetting their actual OC ability, and power consumption. You have various examples at the above link. Here's one:
All of those improved with time, skill, and luck of the draw. As for performance, it's glaringly obvious how, and why, AMD has fallen behind, but IPC isn't the static metric it's often made out to be. If it were, the Intels would be faster across the board. That isn't the case. Hell, it's regularly confused with IPS. Again, links and these rough results along with them:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=50
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=49
That's hardly definitive, or that reliable, ultimately. If you're going to make broad sweeping generalizations without providing evidence, it would be good if you present more than one link, as a follow up.
Something like this would be a better starting point:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/spider-has-been-squashed-dragon
Bench is a basic, quick reference tool. That's all. Does it account for changes in BIOS, driver updates, and other revisions which may be critical to performance, and stability? Gremlins, and unexpected variances you may come across during testing? The result of sub-par/average/cherry samples being compared to other sub-par/average/cherry products?
Whether or not you take into account the different states of Intel and AMD's 45nm maturity, you seem to be forgetting their actual OC ability, and power consumption. You have various examples at the above link. Here's one:
All of those improved with time, skill, and luck of the draw. As for performance, it's glaringly obvious how, and why, AMD has fallen behind, but IPC isn't the static metric it's often made out to be. If it were, the Intels would be faster across the board. That isn't the case. Hell, it's regularly confused with IPS. Again, links and these rough results along with them:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=50
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=49
brotkasten
Member
i5 3570k + Maximus V Gene, here I come.
E: Wait, the 3570K doesn't have VT-d, but the standard 3570 does? What the fuck, Intel?
E: Wait, the 3570K doesn't have VT-d, but the standard 3570 does? What the fuck, Intel?
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
·feist·;37175503 said:And this would be one of the reasons for that cross section. Plus, it helps to have multiple samples of different Intel, and AMD products from the last few generations.
That's hardly definitive, or that reliable, ultimately. If you're going to make broad sweeping generalizations without providing evidence, it would be good if you present more than one link, as a follow up.
Something like this would be a better starting point:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/spider-has-been-squashed-dragon
Bench is a basic, quick reference tool. That's all. Does it account for changes in BIOS, driver updates, and other revisions which may be critical to performance, and stability? Gremlins, and unexpected variances you may come across during testing? The result of sub-par/average/cherry samples being compared to other sub-par/average/cherry products?
Whether or not you take into account the different states of Intel and AMD's 45nm maturity, you seem to be forgetting their actual OC ability, and power consumption. You have various examples at the above link. Here's one:
All of those improved with time, skill, and luck of the draw. As for performance, it's glaringly obvious how, and why, AMD has fallen behind, but IPC isn't the static metric it's often made out to be. If it were, the Intels would be faster across the board. That isn't the case. Hell, it's regularly confused with IPS. Again, links and these rough results along with them:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=50
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=49
I'm having hard times trying to understand your point. So far, all you posted proves what I'm saying.
Higher IPC at same clocks, better OC (total clock and % from stock, as your own table reads), less power consumption. I will say more, C2Q have smaller die size too (214 mm² vs 258 mm², no IMC in C2Q tbh). Hell, Phenom II have a die size and power consumption closer to i7 Nehalem, but without the performance.
Phenom II x4 tops at 4ghz OC talking about 24/7 in x64 2x2Gb or more setups, you can see Q9650 over 4,4Ghz.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2819/9
Phenom II was about price, not about tech.
Anyway, returning to OP, as anyone said yet, now we know why IB have that poor temps under OC with that unsoldered HIS. Clever move from Intel trying to set an higher gap between sockets. Not cool.
The mods at overclock.net are doing a launch party build tomorrow, and they said the NDA drops at 12PM EST (noon?) so it looks like the rumors are true.