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Walking With Dinosaur GAF and other prehistoric creatures |OT|

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**Please note! The entirety of this OT was created by Cow Mengde--I am simply the medium. He deserves the credit for ALL of the information in the OP. Thanks!**

You are now in the Dinosaur and Prehistoric Animal Community Thread! This is where we post about dinosaur and prehistoric animal discoveries and science, share cool paleo-art, talk about toys, and discuss all things prehistoric related!

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History Of Life

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Hadean Eon - The very first "geological" eon. This eon started at 4.5 billion and ended 4 billion years ago. This is the most unstable eon with information all over the place. Some say the planet is a molten rock with extreme temps and volcanic activity, while other disagree. I've read there are Hadean geological traces available. Either way the planet did go through a period of extreme heat and then cooling, but probably not through the majority of Hadean eon. This is when they believed the moon collided with Earth to start the planet's rotation. There's no life, so we don't really give a crap.

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Archean Eon - The second geological eon. This eon started at 4 billion and ended 2.5 billion years ago. There was still no oxygen, but it's believed that life started in this eon, around 3.5 billion years ago. Life started in the ocean, or more specifically deep sea hydrothermal vents. The vents provided the energy to create chemical reactions that necessary for life to evolved. The kind of life that existed then were nothing more than Microbial mats. Microbial mats are sheets of microorganisms, mainly composed of bacteria and other single cell organisms. Those single cell organism eventually became multi-cell organisms. Photosynthesis probably came about around this time, as did sexual reproduction. These guys probably aren't what gets you excited when you think prehistoric animals.

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Proterozoic Eon - The third geological eon. This eon started at 2.5 billion and ended 542 million years ago. This is where the first real ice age began. It happened a couple of times through the Proterozoic Eon. It's actually more severe than the Ice Age most are familiar with. Ice all the way to the equator. Dubbed Snowball Earth. No mammoths. Cyanobacteria took water and started producing a deadly toxic gas known as oxygen. Oxygen soon covered the planet and killed off whatever organisms that couldn't adapt. Fungus, algae, and protozoa got their start here. Towards the end of the Proterozoic eon, we started seeing evidence of jellyfish, sponges, corals, and sea anemone.

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Phanerozoic Eon - The fourth geological eon. This is our eon. From 500 million to present day. This is the eon of complex life. It's split into 3 eras. The Paleozoic, Mesozoic, and Cenozoic. These 3 eras are then broken down down further into different Periods. The periods themselves can be further broken down into epochs.

The Paleozoic era started at Cambrian, Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Carboniferous, and ends with Permian period. Each of these periods can be broken down further, but this is a forum post, not a text book.

  • During the Cambrian, arthropods like Trilobites were really common. Many of the animals were deep sea dwelling creatures with exoskeletons. They sort of resemble insects and shrimps. Shouldn't be surprising since arthropods eventually evolved into insects, crustaceans, and spiders. First fish or perhaps proto-fish also appeared. These "fish" didn't have jaws. Some early fish had armor resembling insects and trilobites. Early ancestors of fish also started developing structures that would eventually become the vertebrate. There exists trace fossils of what appears to be slug like creatures walking the shores, but as to what they creatures are, it's hard to say. Other simple creatures include Brachiopods (animals like muscles and clams) and Archaeocyatha (organisms similar to coral reefs).
  • Ordovician saw the evolution of Nautiloids. They were tentacle creatures with long cone heads. They are part of a group of marine animals known as cephalopods (squids, octopus, and cuttlefish). Cephalopods dominated the Ordovician for a bit. The first definitive vertebrate fishes came from the Ordovician. There's some debate on this with the fossils discovered in China that suggests they appeared in the Cambrian.
  • The Silurian followed the great extinction at the end of Ordovician. It was the second biggest mass extinction ever on earth. More than 60% of all marine life was wiped out. Nevertheless once life recovered, jawed fish began to diversify. The world was still filled with Trilobites, mollusks, brachipods, and giant sea scorpions over a meter long. The first plants started to appear in mid-Silurian. First definitive fossils of land animals in the form of millipedes was discovered during Silurian.
  • Devonian is technically where E.V.O The Search for Eden began. I say this because this is the real age of fish. Sharks appeared. We also get awesome fish like Dunkleosteus. More and more arthropods make their way to land. Plants evolved roots and leaves. By the end of the Devonian, plants also started to grow seeds and spore. You can thank the Devonian for your hay fever and allergies. The ancestors of tetrapods started to walk on land here. Then is all ends with a big extinction killing off all Trilobites.
  • Carboniferous is the second stage in E.V.O and it's indeed the Age of Insects and Amphibians. Reptiles like synapsids (precursors to mammals) and diapsids (turtles, crocs, snakes and lizards) evolved. Everything got big in the Carboniferous. Plants grew up to 30 meters. Dragonfly-like Meganeura with wingspans of 30 inches appeared. It was the biggest flying insect. No evidence on whether they can absorb nuclear energy from Godzilla to feed to their queen. Arthropleura, the giant millipede grew to up to 2.6 meters in length! Amphibians were more plentiful than today, and grew up to 2 meters. Sharks ruled the seas. Global cooling caused a minor extinction event call the Carboniferous Rainforest Collapse and slowed the evolution of Amphibians down. Reptiles on the other hand revolutionized eggs by having hard shells that could be laid on land.

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  • Permian began in an Ice Age that started at the end of the Carboniferous. This was the age of proto-mammals, or the synapsids. They are animals that split off from reptiles during evolution. These animals would eventually evolve into mammals. The most famous synapsid is the Dimetrodon. They looked more mammal-like as they evolve. Then everything went to shit and the biggest extinction ever happened. We were this close to being wiped off the face of the planet with 96% of marine life gone and 70% terrestrial life gone.


The Mesozoic is the second era. It's spread over 3 periods. The Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous. The Mesozoic began after the great Permian extinction. It may have taken as much as 10 million years for life on earth to recover.


  • Triassic is the beginning of the age of reptiles. What animals that survived the big extinction still took a big hit in diversity. The seas were quickly taken over by creatures like pliosaurs, plesiosaurs, and ichthyosaurs. The land was ruled by, phytosaurs (croc like animal. A result of convergent evolution), aetosaurs (armored reptiles similar to ankylosaurs), rauisuchia (powerful 4 legged hunters that walked with legs erect gait), and rhynchosaurs (herbivorous reptiles with beaks). Many of these groups of land animals were wiped out at the end of the Triassic extinction, except for one group: The dinosaurs. Many early dinosaurs were small predators dwarfed by the rauisuchia. Animals like Coelophysis, Eoraptor (exact classification up for debate), and Herrerasaurus were no more than 3 meters in length. Then you have the very confusing group called sauropodomorpha. They are related to the giant long necked dinosaurs that came later, but even during the early history of dinosaurs, they were gigantic, with some reaching 9 meters. Recent discovery in Africa shows a gigantic sauropodomorph 18+ meters in length! The therapsids, a remnant group of synapsids continue to hold out and evolve to be more and more mammal-like. Last but not least, flying reptiles called Pterosaurs ruled the skies.
  • Jurassic is when dinosaurs overran the planet. They reached the antarctic as early as the early Jurassic. Pretty much every major group of dinosaurs evolved from the Jurassic, even dinosaurs that didn't reach their ultimate potential until the Cretaceous, got their start in the Jurassic. Earliest feathered dinosaurs were found in the Jurassic. Even amphibians made strides with the evolution of salamanders and weird snake/worm like called caecilians appeared. Pliosaurs, ichthyosaurs, and plesiosaurs continue to rule the seas. Pterosaurs, on the other hand soon had competition in the skies in the form of birds.
  • Cretaceous continues with more dinosaurs. Everything was peachy until the end of the Cretaceous. We all know how the story goes. What a lot of people don't talk about is that flowering plants began in the Cretaceous. With flowers, came bees. Grass or ancestors of grass showed up in India. Moths, butterflies, ants, termites, and grasshoppers appeared. In the ocean, we now had mosasaurs and even waterbirds hunting marine life. Mammals continue to live in the shadows of dinosaurs, but they also diversified. While still not a threat to Pterosaurs, birds were becoming more common too. Then the asteroid hit.

The Cenozoic
is the "final" era and also spread out across 3 periods. There's Paleogene, Neogene, and Quaternary. This is the Age of Mammals.

  • Paleogene period starts like all other after a big extinction. Mammals quickly took over every corner of the global. The mammals got big in no time, with predators reaching almost 4 meters. Largest land mammal was 4.8 meters at the shoulders and 7.4 meters long. With the marine reptiles all extinct, mammals also moved in. The massive Basilosaurus, a prehistoric whale was mistaken for a reptile at first, thus the "saurus" suffix. Insects, fish, and amphibians held on. The reptiles that did survive were crocs, turtles, lizards, and snakes. The only dinosaurs that made it were the maniraptorans or birds. Though terror birds did eventually evolve in this period. Not to be outdone, bats appear.
  • Neogene, not to be confused with Neogaf, is the second period in the Cenozoic. Grass was taking over the planet. Mammals and birds start to evolve into the modern forms. The continents were pretty much in the shape as we know it. Mountains like the Himalayas, Rockies, and Appalachian formed in this period. We have felines, rhinos, tapir, and camels appearing. The primates really started to diversify. The first hominid (great apes) evolved here as well...
  • Quaternary period is the "final" period. The ice age most are familiar with started in the early Quaternary. Animals like saber toothed cats, glyptodonts (giant relatives of armadillos resembling ankylosaurs, right down to the spike clubs), giant ground sloths, mammoths, and mastodons came and went with the Ice Age. The giant herbivores left behind a gift in the form of avocado. No other mammal can eat and pass those giant seeds through their butt holes like some of these mammals can. Once the ice age melted, you have... today. We have invertebrates, arthropods, insects, amphibians, reptiles, bird, mammals, and fish left from 3.5 billion years of evolution! Oh yeah, and people started to fuck shit up and now we're entering the sixth extinction event. Hurray!

Why did E.V.O The Search of Eden allow you to skip playing as mammals, even after the dinosaurs went extinct? Because dinosaurs are awesome, that's why!

What is a dinosaur - Dinosaurs are a group of reptiles under the clade of archosauria. Archosauria itself contained animals like crocodilians, pterosaurs, and birds. Unlike most reptiles, dinosaurs walked with their legs erect. Dinosaurs are split into two groups based on their hip structure, saurischian and ornithischian. Saurischians had hips like lizards while ornithischians had bird like hips. What makes this ironic is that birds evolved from saurischians, NOT ornithischians. Saurischians include all carnivorous theropod dinosaurs as well as giant long necked sauropod dinosaurs. Ornithischians were strictly herbivores, all of them had beaks on the tip of their snouts. Although ornithischians were herbivores, they were some of the toughest, and they include Triceratops, Stegosaurus, and Ankylosaurus. When people think dinosaurs, they usually think giants, but there were plenty of small dinosaurs that could fit on the palm of your hand. Dinosaurs lived on land, but there is evidence of aquatic/semi-aquatic dinosaurs as well as flying/gliding dinosaurs. Birds are direct descendants of dinosaurs, but to avoid confusion, they are grouped into avian dinosaurs while the more "traditional" dinosaurs are grouped into non-avian dinosaurs.

We can only guess the lifestyle and behaviors of dinosaurs from limited fossil evidence. For example, we have evidence in the form of footprints showing two dromaeosaurs running in the same direction, but that doesn't tell us if they were really formed a pack together, or whether it's mating season, or two animals running in the same direction because they smelled food. Generally speaking, bones don't leave behind very details evidence of dinosaur behavior. What behavior we know are very fragmented, and may not apply to all dinosaurs. Trace fossils like footprint and nests provide but a small glimpse into a complex ecosystem.

For a time, many paleontologists assumed dinosaurs were cold blooded, like other reptiles, but more and more evidence says otherwise. A recent published paper looks at the growth rings in the bones for hundreds of dinosaurs to determine their growth rate. Warm blooded animals tend to grow faster, while cold blooded animals grew slower. What they found was that dinosaur growth was somewhere in between. It was concluded that dinosaurs were mesotherms or lukewarm blooded. They were pretty active animals, but they couldn't control their body temperature as well as warm blooded animals. They didn't move as fast as we thought, but they weren't sitting under the sun all day either. This, of course, was overturned in a recent study that says the mesothermy paper failed to take into the account that animals didn't grow all year round. Just like today, there were wet and dry seasons in the Mesozoic. Dinosaurs grew rapidly during the wet season when there is plenty of food, and stopped growing when the season was bad. So their growth was short rapid burst during the good days, and slowed down during the bad, just like warmblooded animals. Who's right and who's wrong, we might never know, but outside of maybe one or two paleontologists (I don't even know if they exist) most believe dinosaur lived an active lifestyle similar to warm blooded animals. They might be doing other things with their physiology that we don't know yet. It's even possible that there are multiple body temps across dinosaurs.

What we do know is that a lot of dinosaurs had respiratory systems like that of birds; or should we say birds had the respiratory system of dinosaurs? Dinosaurs most likely breath using a pair of air sacs to plumb the air, while the lunges absorb all the oxygen. Further support for this can be found in the hollow bones of many dinosaurs. These hollow bones were once thought to be weight saving measures to help reduce the weight of the animal. They found these hollow cavities along the neck and the ribs, just like that of birds. It's possible this air sac system evolved very early in dinosaurs.

The Science

How Fossils Are Formed - The short version is that when an animal dies, it is rapidly buried with mud or sand, usually carried by rivers and streams. The flesh rots away, leaving the bones. So if a dinosaur died on the plains, it's not going to fossilize. The best fossils are the ones that died and are quickly buried. That means predators won't have a chance to get to it and cause havoc on the skeleton, preserving most of it for people to find. For things like feathers and skin to preserve, it needs very fine sediment or ash to preserve the delicate details.

Cladistics - Animals that share a certain skeletal feature are grouped into clades. So paleontologists look at the bones and compare their features to other known creatures to find out what clade they belong to. The more basal an animal is, the more primitive features it shares with its ancestor. The more derived the animal, the more advanced and specialize it is.

Ontongeny - This is a very tricky subject, and it's about figuring out the different growth stages of animals. Young animals tend to look very different from the adults. It's very possible that two distinct genera are actually different growth stages of the same thing. What makes this harder is that the younger the animal, the more basal traits are found in the bones. Think of fetus of different animals. They all look the same during that stage whether it's a human fetus or a bear fetus. None of them have the specialized features to make them what they are.

Histology - So how do we know if an animal is fully grown or not? We do it with histology. We can tell how old a dinosaur (or anything) is by looking at thin slices of bone under a microscope. Bones, just like trees, have bone rings you can count to see how old it is. This has been tested on living animals, and can be applied to all animals with bones. The lines themselves are called lines of arrested growth, or LAGs. This also helps to show how fast the animal grew between each year.

Taphonomy - This is how you figure out how the animal died, and put everything into context. It's more like CSI than paleontology, but it's very important. Imagine you don't know what tigers are, and you find a grave of 5 tigers buried together. You look at this and say, "Ah ha! These tigers died together could mean only one thing, tigers were pack hunters, and this grave is the evidence!" Today, we know that tigers are solitary animals, only getting together to mate. That tiger graveyard you found was actually a result of a flood that washed several tigers together and buried. This is why Taphonomy is important and puts a death scene into context.
 
FAQs

Q: What is the biggest dinosaur?
A: Currently, it's still Argentinosaurus. It's femur is much bigger than any other dinosaur that challenges it to the title. Femur is probably the best way to guess the size of an animal if it's incomplete, because the femur bares most of the weight of the animal.

Q: Did dinosaurs really have feathers?
A: Yes!

Q: But didn't they just release a study that says otherwise?
A: No! That study actually echos what most paleontologists believe, with most theropods having feathers. No paleontologist seriously suggested sauropods having feathers. That said, evidence for feathers grow every year. We originally thought only theropods had feathers, but we now have ornithischians confirmed with feathers just announced last year. What makes the ornithischian discovery interesting is that it's preserved different kind of filaments on its body along with scales. I personally don't believe all dinosaurs had feathers.

Q: Wait, did T.rex have feathers?
A: Most likely yes. Feathers have been found in several close relatives of T.rex, and phylogenetic bracketing shows it's a high probability. Phylogenetic bracketing is a method used to infer missing information in fossils using available information obtained from fossils of the same clade. Sometimes it doesn't have to be fossils, it could be from living animals. We have no fossil evidence that prehistoric felines had fur, because we have no fuzzy feline fossils. However, using logic of phylogenetic bracketing, we can make an educated guess that prehistoric felines had fur because current felines and mammals as a whole, had fur. There are outlier mammals like whales that weren't fuzzy, but then we have to factor is physiology into it. Whales are marine mammals, fur would hinder movement in the water. With T.rex, the problem might be with overheating. Towards the end of the Cretaceous, temperatures were steadily increasing to the volcanic activity. When you get to a certain size, keeping cool becomes a bigger issue. Overly fluffy T.rex might make it harder to keep cool. Elephants have very sparse hair for the same reason. Maybe T.rex had feathers like an elephant has fur. Or maybe small sections of its body had feathers for display purposes; like attracting a mate. the second largest fully feathered dinosaur is a very close relative of T.rex, called Yutyrannus, but Yutyrannus was 2 meters shorter and only around a ton or more. Lowest numbers I've seen for T.rex is 7 tons, highest is 9+ tons.

Q: What's the best way to learn about dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures?

A: Besides reading, I think the best way is to have an open mind. Paleontology changes very rapidly, what you learned today could be outdated tomorrow. So it's not so much as finding the best source to learn, but also the ability to accept new ideas. I also recommend reading and learning about modern animals. You can easily draw parallels between modern animals and prehistoric animals.

Q: Holy crap, I heard Brontosaurus is back! Is that true?
A: Nope. The paper was an excellent paper and sets the standard for comparing specimens, but the argument for the validity of Brontosaurus is extremely weak. For one thing, "Brontosaurus" has always been recognized as a different species of Apatosaurus, so paleontologists have been aware of the difference for a long time. The second problem is that some of the bones used in this research are fake bones. Many times fossils aren't complete and museums have to fill in the missing parts from other specimens, or make them up if none exists. The Brontosaurus study used made up bones. Also, it's reasoning for a new genus is extremely arbitrary, and the results can even be interpret as further proof that Brontosaurus didn't exist. Not all paleontologists agree with the results of this research. At best this just means the name Brontosaurus is up for discussion, and not much else. I'm certainly not convinced.

Q: Why aren't Pterosaurs dinosaurs?
A: That is cladistics. While Pterosaurs fall under the clade of archosauria, it split off from dinosaurs to form it's own group. In order words, both dinosaurs and pterosaurs share enough skeletal features to be grouped together in archosauria, their own specialized skeletal features evolved to separate them. Whereas different dinosaurs also evolved their own specialized skeletal features (think Triceratops vs Tyrannosaurus), they also share a lot of features that define the group known as dinosaurs.

Q: Did Spinosaurus really walk on all 4 legs?
A: Maybe, maybe not. The old Spinosaurus material was destroyed in WWII, but even that didn't preserve its limbs. The current Spinosaurus has very tiny back legs, but no front limbs. The limbs you see are reconstructed based on a distant relative called Suchimimus. The problem is, the arms of Suchimimus weren't built for walking, so there's no direct evidence proving it walked on all fours. But at the same time, the newly discovered legs have trouble supporting its body size. Maybe Spinosaurus is more aquatic than we thought? We do know Spinosaurus was aquatic based on the bones. They are more solid compared to other theropods, and aquatic birds are the same. It allows them to submerge underwater is needed. The Spinosaurus mystery is far from over. I'd keep an open mind if I were you.

Q: What's the biggest meat eating dinosaur?
A: This is a very loaded question because "biggest" isn't very descriptive. If you ask me the longest, I'd say Spinosaurus. If you ask me tallest, I'd say Tyrannosaurus rex. If you ask me the heaviest, I'd say Tyrannosaurus rex. But the biggest? Biggest in what way? We can get away with it for herbivores because they are very incomplete, but with theropods, we have more fossils to do a thorough comparison. Biggest doesn't mean much.

Q: Wait, what about Giganotosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus?
A: The torso of a Tyrannosaurus is huge. The ribs on the body are more robust and longer than a 15 meter Spinosaurus. This is why paleontologists thinks T.rex can't run fast because it's so heavy. Giganotosaurus has long legs, in fact, the femur is longer than T.rex. Problem comes when you also factor tibia into the equation. T.rex still edges out Giganotosaurus in height with femur and tibia combined. This why paleontologist thinks T.rex can run fast because it has the highest leg/body ratio of any similar sizes carnivore. Also the width of the femur is much higher in T.rex. Different methods yield different numbers, but they all point to T.rex being much heavier than Giganotosaurus. There is a fragment (part of a jaw) that might represent a Giganotosaurus that's 8% bigger than the first one, but the problem comes from scaling a single piece of bone with an animal you have 30% of the bones for. It could just be the jaws are bigger and not much else. Carcharodontosaurus is even sillier since all we have are bits of the skull that they wrongly reconstructed into something bigger than it was. The answer isn't as clear cut as you might think. A lot of museums try to use hype to bring in a bigger attendance. One of the documentaries that pitted T.rex against Giganotosaurus used the smallest adult T.rex specimen for the show.

Q: How smart were dinosaurs?
A: Depends on the dinosaur. Some dinosaurs are no doubt pretty dumb. While others should match the intelligence of modern birds and crocodilians. Also, it's been recently shown that brain size isn't a good indicator to intelligence. Human brains have been shrinking as we evolved. Do you see people in the ice age kicker starting cock ring that measures how hard you thrust? I don't think so. The point is, you might not need a big brain to be smart. Some speculate shrinkage due to efficiency.

Q: Are there any venomous dinosaurs?
A: Nope. There was a misinterpretation a few years ago that a dromaeosaur was venomous, but that's been widely disregarded.

Q: Wait, are you saying not all paleontologists are right?
A: Right, paleontologists are human too. They can misinterpret information, or come up with conclusion that others disagree with. That's why you should keep an open mind.

Q: Could you recommend some dinosaur books and websites?
A: Sure.
The Complete Dinosaur
Walking With Dinosaur: A Natural History
Dinosaur Paleobiology

Q: What are some good websites?
A: SV-Pow The sauropod website
Tetrapod Zoology Covers modern and extinct animals. They also have a podcast at http://tetzoo.com/
Skeletal Drawing Excellent website with a lot of drawings of dinosaur and other prehistoric animal skeletons.
Julius Csotonyi's Paleoart Nothing but the finest paleoart.

Q: What's the best dinosaur documentary?
A: In my opinion, the best is Planet Dinosaur. It's a spiritual successor to Walking With Dinosaurs, and it has excellent CGI for a TV production. Don't be confused with the 2003 Dinosaur Planet. This new one is made in 2011 by the BBC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAAbZonfOQ
 
A Small Selection of Awesome Creatures Throughout History

This will be continually updated until I cover most of what I want, or run out of room. Whichever comes first.

Archeon Eon

Not much here. Just simple organisms like Stromatolite and bacteria/microbes.

Proterozoic Eon

Again, not too many impressive creatures here. Life is still very simple. In fact, a lot of them are still around. You have Jellyfish, coral, algae, fungus, etc.

Phanerozoic Eon

Again, needs to be broken down further, because this is very life really diversified. We now have to start splitting them down to Eras.

Paleozoic

Trilobites - Extinct marine arthropod (or invertebrates with an exoskeleton) that thrived in the Cambrian. Even though we use the broader name like Trilobite to describe these creatures, they can still be further broken down into many genus and species. So Trilobite is just the name for this group of animals, and not their individual names.

Anomalocaris - About a meter in length and sort of look like freaky shrimps. It was one of the largest animals of its time. It's a predator with barbed tentacles in front of the mouth.

Pikaia - It's an eel/worm like creature that swam in the oceans. It's only about 5 cm long, but it's possibly the closest ancestor to modern vertebrates. Despite being discovered in 1911, it wasn't until 2012 that someone gave a detailed description of its anatomy.

Opabinia - Another arthropod. Around 10 cm in length, including it's strange elongated appendage on its head. This appendage was used to feeling around and grabbing food. It also has 5 eyes, and a backwards pointing mouth. The appendage probably used to also bring mouth to this weird backwards pointing mouth.
 
Finally!

I'm going to cross-post something I posted from another thread, since it got in there right before the thread died.

I was just thinking this morning, I think someone on the Final Fantasy team is a paleontology nut. I mean, you have Allosaurus and T. rex in the original game and a few others as very tough (but often ultra rare) random encounters, and then you have the infamous Brachiosaur in FFVI, but then you have...

Phorusrhacos in FFXI:

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And--even crazier--Megistotherium in FFXIII:
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These are not animals that laypeople would just know about. With the latter, even I was like, "What the hell is that?" when I was playing FFXIII and had to look it up.
 

Bernbaum

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Fuck yeah! I worked in the geosciences department of my state museum for many years and did my postgraduate thesis on Stromatolite palaeontology before making a shift to vertebrate palaeontology. Did a few dinosaur digs but most of the vertebrate work we did was on quaternary megafauna and palaeoecology.

I now work as a geologist for an oil company. I use the word 'Jurassic' almost every day and still get a bit of a buzz out of it.
 

butalala

Member
Wonderful, impressive OP. Make this person full member, immediately!

Can someone fill me in on the origin of the dinosaur NEOGAF banner? I know it's been around for a while (not created for this OP).
 
Yaaay.
but wait up, I'm pretty sure I've read grass evolved during the Cretaceous. It's slightly odd to mention flowers but not grass within the same context, if this is true. Though obviously first appearance is not domination.

also, I came here from Steamgaf. :D
 
I'm interested in hearing about dino eggs. How big is the biggest egg? What is the best preserved? Its crazy to me to think an Argentinosaurus once hatched from an egg...
 
Wonderful, impressive OP. Make this person full member, immediately!

I was a full member, but then I made a Metroid thread years ago using date from VG Charts and got Juniored.

Yaaay.
but wait up, I'm pretty sure I've read grass evolved during the Cretaceous. It's slightly odd to mention flowers but not grass within the same context, if this is true. Though obviously first appearance is not domination.

Re-read it again. It's mentioned right after bees.

Awesome OP Cow Mengde.

This 2011 analysis of the evolution of the tail vertebra of South American Abelisaurs for maximum running speed is really interesting and made me look at Carnotaurus in a different light.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025763

I haven't heard anyone contradict this research yet.
 
Really quick, can we add the Ediacaran biota in there? These are fauna that lived and went extinct before the Cambrian Explosion and have no known descendants.
 

JCizzle

Member
Through the first 95% of the OP & 2nd post.

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Then...

FAQs
Q: How smart were dinosaurs?
A: Depends on the dinosaur. Some dinosaurs are no doubt pretty dumb. While others should match the intelligence of modern birds and crocodilians. Also, it's been recently shown that brain size isn't a good indicator to intelligence. Human brains have been shrinking as we evolved. Do you see people in the ice age kicker starting cock ring that measures how hard you thrust? I don't think so. The point is, you might not need a big brain to be smart. Some speculate shrinkage due to efficiency.

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Thanks for taking the time to author such an impressive OT, Cow Megde, and thanks for posting it, Anton Sugar. A thread like this has been needed for a long time, and it's great to see one that makes the wait worthwhile.

If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion for an addition to the OT, I think this blog post by talented scientist, unabashed tyrannosaurophile and all-around swell guy Thomas Holtz, "What Should Everyone Know About Paleontology?", would do nicely.

I think that is a good question. What really are the most important elements of paleontology that the general public should understand? I took a shot at coming up with a list of key concepts (http://dml.cmnh.org/2011Feb/msg00027.html and http://dml.cmnh.org/2011Feb/msg00029.html), based on experiences with teaching paleontology and historical geology and with less-formally structured outreach to the public. I have offered this list (cross posted at the Superoceras and Archosaur Musings blogs) as a way for it to reach a wider audience. That this is Darwin Week makes it even more appropriate, as we should use this occasion to encourage a better understanding of the changes of Earth and Life through Time for the public at large.

Much as I might like to think otherwise, the specific details of the hindlimb function of Tyrannosaurus rex or the pneumatic features of brachiosaurid vertebrae really are not the most important elements of the field. Understanding and appreciating the nitty gritty details of the phylogeny and anatomy of any particular branch of the Tree of Life are not really necessary for everyone to know, any more than we would regard detailed knowledge of bacterial biochemistry or the partitioning of minerals in a magma chamber to be significant general knowledge. (Indeed, these latter two items are actually far more critical for human society than any specific aspect of paleontology, and so from a certain point of view really more important for people to know than the History of Life.)

That said, all human societies and many individuals have wondered about where we have come from and how the world came to be the way it is. This is, in my opinion, the greatest contribution of paleontology: it gives us the Story of Earth and Life, and especially our own story.

Much more at the link.
 

Ecotic

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Big turtle fan here. Sure they're not as flashy or sexy as swift meat eating dinosaurs, but whether by sea, land, or fresh water, turtles did attain some monstrous sizes. If just one of these three had survived to the modern day they'd have been huge draws in zoos, aquariums, or beaches the world over and helped place turtles more among the imaginations of people.

Archelon - Largest Sea Turtle


Megalochelys Atlas - Largest Giant Tortoise


Stupendemys - Largest Fresh Water Turtle. Largest Turtle Ever.

 
If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion for an addition to the OT, I think this blog post by talented scientist, unabashed tyrannosaurophile and all-around swell guy Thomas Holtz

Well, it's impossible to add it to the first post since we already went pass the character limit, but I can add this to my post a few days later. I want to pimp the current documentaries while there's still a few days left.
 
Oh, this is something I forgot to do in the OP, but we're out of room anyway.

The controversy surrounding which is the "biggest" predator. Dethroning T.rex isn't as easy as you might think. Spinosaurus isn't in the equation because the research was done before we knew about the new material. The new Spinosaurus' legs are hardly impressive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/uk-science-dinosaurs-idINKBN0DM1L220140506

Here's my question. What's the deal with the Dinosaur GAF banner anyway? I know I've seen it as an April Fools joke, but seems like there more to it than that?

 
Well, it's impossible to add it to the first post since we already went pass the character limit, but I can add this to my post a few days later. I want to pimp the current documentaries while there's still a few days left.

Ah, gotcha.

For what it's worth, "T. rex Autopsy" was one of the better dino-docs in ages. The recent BBC series "Inside Nature's Giants" is one of my standards of excellence in natural history programming, and "T. rex Autopsy" was very much in that vein. If they could expand the concept to other dinosaurs and assorted prehistoric beasties, it'd be a treat.
 
Fuck yeah! I worked in the geosciences department of my state museum for many years and did my postgraduate thesis on Stromatolite palaeontology before making a shift to vertebrate palaeontology. Did a few dinosaur digs but most of the vertebrate work we did was on quaternary megafauna and palaeoecology.

I now work as a geologist for an oil company. I use the word 'Jurassic' almost every day and still get a bit of a buzz out of it.

Awesome! As someone. In geoscience what can you tell us about the Hadean eon? I don't understand it very well. A lot of mixed info. Some say it was hell on earth, others say it was cool for the most part, then got hot and cooled down again. Also no agreement on violent volcanic activity.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
Eagerly awaiting some great dinosaur artwork in this thread too.



Great ass OP and gonna be a great OT overall hopefully.


Also gonna add some dinosaur nostalgia too
Have a PaleoWorld episode, DinoGAF

Also, as bish pointed out for my fellow VancouverGAF, there's a dinosaur exhibit at Science World going right now. Check it out if you can.
 
So my daughter is almost 2 and suddenly as of a couple days ago dinosaurs are her favorite thing. Just repeating "di-saur di-saur" over and over. I have no idea where she even learned the word. I know dinosaur toys and books are an entire industry, but most of it seems like it would skew just a little too old. Any ideas for dino stuff that would be good for a kid so young?
 

jkanownik

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So my daughter is almost 2 and suddenly as of a couple days ago dinosaurs are her favorite thing. Just repeating "di-saur di-saur" over and over. I have no idea where she even learned the word. I know dinosaur toys and books are an entire industry, but most of it seems like it would skew just a little too old. Any ideas for dino stuff that would be good for a kid so young?

There is a dinosaur show on pbs from the jim henson company called Dinosaur Train. Those toys would work and that may be the source. There is also a playskool heroes line of jurassic world toys.

My daughter is 3 and she also likes watching me play the Jurassic world mobile game. I went a little too far in my dinosaur excitement and now she keeps begging me to go to the movie and telling people I am going to take her to it.
 
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