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Patreon updates Terms of Service to clamp down on adult content

Full ”guidelines”.

Adult Content

We ask creators to flag themselves as Adult Content if you create any content that has mature themes such as sexuality or graphic violence. We also require that all public content on your page be appropriate for all audiences. Content with mature themes must be marked as a patron-only post.

Adult Content

We ask creators to flag themselves as Adult Content if they create any content that has mature themes such as sexuality or graphic violence. When you are flagged as Adult Content your page is removed from our search. We also require that all public content on your page be appropriate for all audiences. Content with mature themes must be marked as a patron-only post.

We have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors). This is true for illustrated, animated, or any other type of content. Patreon reserves the right to review and remove accounts that may violate this guideline. As a strong commitment to child safety, we will work with law enforcement whenever we come across child exploitation.

We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex.

We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing this type of content, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon.

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can’t use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.

If you have doubts about whether to mark your page as Adult Content or not, we always recommend that you do so for the sake of precaution. This is especially important as Patreon welcomes different communities with different sensitivities. You can read more about the Adult Content flag here.

This is sort of blowing up due to fic writers and other more mature accounts being hit.
 

neoanarch

Member
I know a few people that will probably be affected. It seems common sense to me to keep things pg13 if you are using a third party service. Be it Youtube, Patreon or whatever.
 

sangreal

Member
We have zero tolerance when it comes to the glorification of sexual violence which includes bestiality, rape, and child exploitation (i.e., sexualized depiction of minors).

We also do not allow other fringe sexual fetish content, such as incest, necrophilia, or fetish content that is hard to distinguish from non-consensual sex.

Yeah, I can see how this would be a problem for fanfic writers
 
Interesting. If I'm reading those last paragraphs right it sounds like pornographers will have to go somewhere else to make money or get really used to making just the softest of the soft core.
 

kami_sama

Member
Everything seems reasonable, except for this part:

Lastly, you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can't use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.
Does that mean that soft-core models cannot make content? And what about artists?
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Well Patreon has been requiring creators to flag themselves as adult, removing them from searches and public listings for a while now... but this is the first I've heard of them limiting content (well, outside of depicting minors, which has always been against their ToS at least as far as I can remember). But fictional fetish content such as incest, or suggestive non consensual content? What about areas where it simply can't be discerned or agreed upon? Sheesh... this doesn't seem to bode well for creators like me. Patreon has been a great service, but I can see this being a bit of a slippery slope.
 

sirap

Member
LOL.

I wonder if this is simply lip-service or if Patreon truly intends to enforce their rules. Adult content-creators, especially those catering to fringe fetishes make up a significant percentage of Patreon's profits.
 

Mesoian

Member
I feel like their biggest earner right now is "adult content" though

You're probably right.

Patreon's gonna feel this one in the wallet.

LOL.

I wonder if this is simply lip-service or if Patreon truly intends to enforce their rules. Adult content-creators, especially those catering to fringe fetishes make up a significant percentage of Patreon's profits.

There will be a service TOMORROW that allows all that stuff and people will flock to it in droves.
 

jph139

Member
Stepping back, in seriousness, this is actually awful for people creating adult content. I don't think there's an industry more wracked by piracy, and Patreon is the first time I can think of that artists, models, game designers, and so on have actually managed to get paid for their work.

A "Patreon for Porn" might be able to keep up that trend, but I sort of doubt it.
 

Ferr986

Member
"RIP Studio Fow"

That's what a friend told me. Honest.

lol those are the guys doing gross porn rape stuff with DOA characters, right?

Yeah they're fucked.

It's understandable that Patreon wants to get themselves out of that, so many people creating quesitonable content use it and it gives a bad image. At the end you use their service so you have to accomodate to them, or find other ways to get the money.
 

_Ryo_

Member
you cannot sell pornographic material or arrange sexual service(s) as a reward for your patrons. You can’t use Patreon to raise funds in order to produce pornographic material such as maintaining a website, funding the production of movies, or providing a private webcam session.

This is gonna affect a lot of creators.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like Patreon gets a not-insignificant portion of it's income from adult and softcore material. I'm pretty sure there are more than a few adult Patreons in the top 20 or 30 on the site.
 

Laiza

Member
This is bullshit.

Why are they doing this? Are advertisers pulling out or something? I can only imagine someone put pressure on them considering just how much of their site is supported by creators who focus exclusively on adult content.

Either way, it's bullshit. It's one of the only ways a lot of these people could support their trade, and now it's being taken out from under them? I don't like it one bit.
 

Ferr986

Member
This is bullshit.

Why are they doing this? Are advertisers pulling out or something? I can only imagine someone put pressure on them considering just how much of their site is supported by creators who focus exclusively on adult content.

Either way, it's bullshit. It's one of the only ways a lot of these people could support their trade, and now it's being taken out from under them? I don't like it one bit.

What is taken to them? Patreon doesn't owe anything to anyone, its the creators that are using it. I guess Patreon isnt happy that there's people promoting really questionable stuff on their platform.
 

sangreal

Member
This part hits them the hardest:


No stories, no art etc.

That seemed more addressed at the people that send pornographic photos/videos as rewards. Art isn't pornographic and they've pretty explicitly defined the type of adult content they are not comfortable with. They even list out fictional stories as an exemption, though it doesn't seem to make any sense in context with the rest of the guidelines.

The entire point of the 'Adult Content' flag is (in their words) 'R-Rated Material' but a lot of fandom works go beyond being merely sexual and well into the territory of deviance. That is pretty clearly what they do not want (alongside actual porn). I think it is pretty puritanical but it is what it is
 

Hektor

Member
Pretty much everyone creating adult content used Patreon, from the aforementioned Studio FOW to Sakimichan and crew.

This is really gonna screw them, especially the not so overly popular ones
 

Koyuga

Member
This sounds kind of stupid and needless, but I guess they don't want to affiliated with adult material. I hope an adequate alternative is available for all those artists that make a good chunk of their money on Patreon.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Stepping back, in seriousness, this is actually awful for people creating adult content. I don't think there's an industry more wracked by piracy, and Patreon is the first time I can think of that artists, models, game designers, and so on have actually managed to get paid for their work.

A "Patreon for Porn" might be able to keep up that trend, but I sort of doubt it.

They should just separate the site then. If they're so concerned with keeping Patreon family friendly, and from people associating their brand with pornography or erotic art, why not just make a sister site and called it Patreon-X or whatever. Let users log into either site from the same account. At least this way they don't have to worry about their wholesome image being tarnished and adult creators can have their own listings. I dunno.. I'm sure I'm missing something here or else they would have come up with a better solution by now, but Patreon has been so good with outreach (trust me they are), and maintaining the site based on feedback, that marginalizing a portion of their base seems like a weird move to make. I mean... even most big adult sites have filters so people who aren't interested in seeing controversial content don't need to be accidentally exposed to it.
 

Laiza

Member
What is taken to them? Patreon doesn't owe anything to anyone, its the creators that are using it. I guess Patreon isnt happy that there's people promoting really questionable stuff on their platform.
I mean, obviously it's a service that doesn't need any of their user's consent to change their terms of service, but anyone using something like this to fund their endeavors is likely to be relying on it as a steady source of income, and having that income removed can be a serious blow to anyone's living situation.

I feel like Patreon has a moral imperative to ensure the stability of their service above and beyond most others purely for this reason. Changing their terms of service to such a degree is... pretty difficult to swallow.

I just don't like it one bit.
 
Take it to chaterbate if you want money for shots of you dick etc. Sites aren't going to last long if people keep hijaking them for adult content.
 

Extollere

Sucks at poetry
Also it's worth noting here that Patreon defines pornographic content as content that involves real people, such as photographs, and films. Erotic games, artwork, writing and other works of fiction don't fall under this umbrella, but they of course will still be subject to the content restrictions.
 
How foolish---not the kind of trend they want to grasp at given they had positive image and momentum going of late.....Patreon was The Thing to hold up as an example of generally getting it right compared to, say, PayPal. :/
 

Hektor

Member
Take it to chaterbate if you want money for shots of you dick etc. Sites aren't going to last long if people keep hijaking them for adult content.

It was Patreon that supported and made a big deal out of allowing adult content in the first place

Also it's worth noting here that Patreon defines pornographic content as content that involves real people, such as photographs, and films. Erotic games, artwork, writing and other works of fiction don't fall under this umbrella.

Now i'm confused. Are things like drawn pictures under threat or not?
 

Kthulhu

Member
Why change now? They aren't beholden to advertisers or anything are they?

Take it to chaterbate if you want money for shots of you dick etc. Sites aren't going to last long if people keep hijaking them for adult content.

They were previously very supportive.
 

Cipherr

Member
A thousand cosplayers cry out in the night

This is what I thought of. Im pretty ignorant of Patreon, but I've put together from context that its some sort of monetary vehicle ala gofundme where people are sending money to people they like or who make stuff they like?

I saw some cosplay pics like 3 months ago and this girl had her patreon posted all over each photo thanking folks for supporting her through it. Then the next few pics were still cosplay but she blurred the lower half as she clearly was undressed in those photos from the waist down, and it seemed like she was claiming only her patreon donators could get those.

Now maybe thats a small sample size, but if folks really are paying money to see people dress like video game characters while flashing asscheeks; then they are about to have a bad fucking day when this news spreads
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