I don't. I haven't done that for at least 9 months now. So... Try again? Maybe this time make your post a little bit more specific.
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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
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Pop
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Yeah the majority of us know, others just like throwing jabs when they're obviously wrong. DF seemed to not have the game on Ps4 installed all the way before playing and if that's the case, pretty shoddy job.
Well, the PS4 is very better compared to the PS3 in this case as well.
Still makes shit like this weird to a point it doesn't make sense. :/
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Isn't that the devs fault though? Some developers choose what they want to use or not. This was noticed last gen and it's going through in this gen. What's more sad is, now that the architectures are the same, what really is the excuse? The only reason why I can't particularly come to hard on Thief is mostly because they probably had a short dev cycle, smaller budget and less time to spend with both systems that likely caused this issue. However, when games like Destiny and Infamous or even The Order , Watch Dogs, etc...And they either run and look like crap or run and look amazing will show the true truth in whether that hardware bump made the difference. I'm inclined to believe that that will be true.
plagiarize
Banned
aren't we?
look, say your game doesn't meet your performance targets on one of your platforms at 1080p, so you drop it down to 900p instead, and then find you still have a little overhead to turn up one or two things you weren't getting originally at 1080p.
or again, look at it the other way around. say you were targeting 900p but realize that on PS4 you have loads of overhead, so you try it at native resolution on that platform and it isn't quite where you want it to be performance wise, so you decide to drop AF and that gets you native output and you decide native output is better than AF.
the only reason for the game to run at a higher resolution on PS4 is because the PS4 can run it at that resolution and the Xbox One can't. that might mean you have to tweak a few other things.
some things have high performance costs and only make subtle differences to the final output. some things have low performance costs and make big differences. people wait these things differently.
there is no logical reason to expect the PS4 version to NEVER perform worse than the Xbox One version, when there is a large resolution difference as there is here.
Frayne Daddy
Banned
You are right should of just thought of u when I said that.
I have seen plenty of instances where people say "let's wait for the DF analysis" especially since the start of this generation.
Not mad, just seems a lot of people, myself included think they do a good job.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
Yeah the only thing that has bugged me is the slowdown sometimes when I crack open windows.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Why are people salty? Most people are questioning DFs verdict in the face of the data DF have presented (and some they seem to have overlooked). One of the the problems seems to be resolved when the game is fully installed on the PS4. This verdict does not make sense at all.
Portugeezer
Member
My point was a generalisation, not specific to this game. It was a response to someones comment about how some games will look better on Xbox One and some games will look better on PS4; from my understanding these is no reason for the former to be true, maybe someone could point out maybe why a game would ever look better on Xbox One without it coming down to less than adequate programming/bugs.
Strider looking better on XB1 just should not be the case, Tomb Raider looking better on PS4 is the expected outcome.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
In hindsight this may be the sort of game where we go "why the fuck did we care either way?" if it still plays mediocre.
I get how you feel; there's nothing massively demanding technically from Strider or Thief III to the point where the PS4 shouldn't be able to have the better-looking version. That being said, we might as well get used to these stray cats, because they will be popping up from time to time throughout the gen.
Developer priorities and whatnot; whether those priorities come down to dev. environment preference or financial incentives is another issue altogether, because realistically it shouldn't come down to technical capacity (one platform has more of it and better).
Anyways, I'm ready now. There'll be some...interesting....multiplat comparisons coming every once in a while this gen.
For the record: From what I heard (and please correct me if it's not true), upon booting the game the installation begins and you have no ability to play while it installs in the background.
There's also no "full install" or whatever, it already takes 30 minutes or so anyway. And even if there was, DF wouldn't be so dumb to not notice and mention it.
There's also no "full install" or whatever, it already takes 30 minutes or so anyway. And even if there was, DF wouldn't be so dumb to not notice and mention it.
TheRealTalker
Banned
here is some KZ SF panoramic shots by HolyFridge over at the ScreenShot thread
I don't see any issues with AF
with my play-through too I didn't see any noticeable blurred roads, etc..
Edit: This is also a good one.... the last shot's floor isn't as clustered as the others
These are my favorite KZ screenshots that i took so far.
You're confused on what DF was talking about. We all know, including DF, that UE has texture loading problems.
That's not what they were harping on. They were talking about texture filtering. That's a different subject, and the problem that they were pointing out. Which does exist.
What is crazy is I didn't realize digital foundry wielded this kind of power until the next generation started. I had no idea they existed last gen.
I guess they are nice for console comparisons, so I'll check them out just to see how the ports are. However, their analysis never does it for me. I'll stick to sites like Anandtech or HardOCP.
Chapter 3 i think. Or the cutscene transition between chapter 2 and 3 when you leave your clock tower hideout.
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
People say this because I mean, besides them and Gamersyde, some people do latch on to their "analysis". The same people calling it bias today are the same people praising it when it's in their favor.
I think they are okay. However their analysis doesn't stop me from playing the game on any platform.
Only on multiplayer games. Single-player games will allow you to install in the background. The game knows you'll be on the first level, so it installs that one first (takes seconds) and installs the rest of the game while you're running through the first level. The entire install only takes a few minutes anyway, it's a lot faster than people think.
The question about that red banner is A) was the game installing at the time, and B) does the problem still exist if you exit and reload the level?
BibiMaghoo
Member
Yes, I do not disagree. The expectation is set by the norm, so a norm of 1080p on one platform will result in an expectation to meet that res on that platform, same with 900p, or 720p. If it is the norm - set by it's own results - then it is to be expected.
I think our view only differs in that I see every console manufacturer at this time, wanting to meet a requirement set for years by our screens. They all have HDMI ports and support 1080p, though I do not know if all consoles do this natively, I think they do. Is the Xbone dash native 1080P? And the WiiU? I would be surprised if not. If so, then they clearly do want to meet this standard, and technical limitations are what prohibits them from doing so in games. I would be appalled at a console dashboard or UI in 2014 that was not native 1080p, because there would surely be no reason for it. I cannot think of a single example were this is the case, unless those consoles UI's are not 1080p.
Frayne Daddy
Banned
I agree. I tend to watch an analysis for fun, but doesn't sway my decision at all. It's something interesting to talk about.
That's down to the game, though, I believe. With the technical state Thief is in, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't support "play as you install".
Again, Thief installation takes up to 30 minutes.
All games must support play & install; it's a required feature for cert.
plagiarize
Banned
from the developers own mouth, KZ uses varying levels of AF, generally between 1x (aka off) and 4x, but in some instances going up to 16x. they use it where it makes sense to use it, but there are definitely parts where it isn't used.
TheRealTalker
Banned
I'm pretty sure they meant LoDs on models.
Interesting. Didn't hear this before.
Yeah your correct, there can be instances, but so far because we don't understand why the dev made the choices they did, we just have logical opinions facing off against eachother,
Here is a long list of the FPS + Resolution differences, in a simplistic form, the vast majority of these games had no texture streaming issues, PS4 had 33% extra pixels @ Double the frame rate at times 30v60, we just do not see this power advantage evident in thief or seeming justified in better visuals/performance, even whilst some of these games are using various decent forms of AA
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_Native_Resolutions_and_Framerates
TheRealTalker
Banned
I believe this is the quote he is talking about
for those who don't know about the times amount here is an example image
Well, there you are:
1-4x usually
Really cool though that the AF is on a per shader artist basis.
Chobel
Member
you can do AF without a performance hit usually (worst case scenario a few frames drop) and you keep 1080p.
There are sharpening halos all over these images. Does the game use post-processing or does the console screenshot thread allow manual post-processing?
What's a sharpening halo? Can you point one out?
3rdamention
Member
Not yet, his quote had to specifically do with FrameRate. He said it right here on NEOGAF.
Albert is still waiting!
RukusProvider
Banned
Came in to make sure thread was enough kill zone talk. Seems to be going well.
endlessflood
Member
WTF? Who's responsible for the PS4 version of Thief?
It's in German, but estimated installation time at the bottom reads over an hour, with the actual time being roughly half an hour.
TheRealTalker
Banned
Portugeezer
Member
Probably just the way HolyFridge merges images to get his panoramic images, but I wouldn't know.
That wouldn't improve AF anyway.
plagiarize
Banned
Giffed:
looks to me more like shadows popping OUT on the Xbox One. as the cart at the top gets further away it goes from looking like part of the street lighting to looking overly bright as in the PS4 part on the left.
Man those are great screens, so the original poster combined the screen gabs together for those to make one shot? Makes me want to boot up SF just looking at them.
@Watership, the thing here is that on low to mid to high range modern GPUs AF has a negligible to zero impact on FPS. I am currently running a 7970 ghz but even my 2010 iMac's HD 5750 at 1440p had no discernible performance impact running games at 16x AF. So seeing a less refined version of filtering being used for this, or any game this gen, is perplexing. Just look at Strider, not a heavy resource game on modern GPU's at the least and it's completely missing AF on the PS4 while it is present on the Xbone with all other graphical features, to include resolution, being equal. It just doesn't add up.
Giffed:
Cant see a whole lot of sharpening/AA differences between the 2 in that shot, can definitely see texture pop-in on the xbox one?
It has nothing to do with merging, the images are clearly sharpened. But you're right, it was offtopic as I was just curious.
Check any silhouette against the sky. Sorry for OT, now back to work everyone
DodgyGeezerFella
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Ahhh so that's what i see on my desktop when i hook it up to my HDTV (Sharpening by default at 50) ?