Thanks for the info!
I wish it would include the regular case (dont really like steelbooks) but its true that it looks really good.
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Dark Souls II |OT| The Dark Souls of Dark Souls
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Thanks for the info!
I wish it would include the regular case (dont really like steelbooks) but its true that it looks really good.
rockman zx
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You mean the PR unboxing or a real unboxing?.
Fair. I just assumed that someone with a love of polish would be looking at a polished video.
The weapons are even better.
This is the one I watched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHFHlJxZLRk
It also shows a shirt with (maybe) a boss design in it.
Screaming Meat
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What is your damage? I feigned incredulity over the fact that there would be server side updates for a game designed to be played online. I have no interest in your gaming insecurities.
Yes. Yes there is. You're inferring stuff that wasn't there. Read it again. Note the absence of the following key phrases you are accusing me of:
1) Get Gud
2) U R Noob
3) Deal with it
Polioliolio
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If it's all as disappointing as they say.. We all could have predicted it when they called the game 'Dark Souls 2'. Riding that newfound popularity..
How can they have awesome looking playable builds at expos then reduce it to this?:
http://i.imgur.com/WEs2LOt.png
Reeeaallly hoping it wasn't all bullshit when they talked about the PC version as their development focus, and it looks as good as they've shown before.
How can they have awesome looking playable builds at expos then reduce it to this?:
http://i.imgur.com/WEs2LOt.png
Reeeaallly hoping it wasn't all bullshit when they talked about the PC version as their development focus, and it looks as good as they've shown before.
A stream is the exact opposite of polished and it's the only footage I had access too.
Only thing I could do was take a shitty screengrab. It's going to come out soon enough for the people who care about this stuff.
Veggy
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Can it be classed as a downgrade if previous footage was PC?
In any case who cares as long as the game itself is great, there is a TON of content crammed into the game which will last hundreds of hours so you can forgive it if the graphics aren't as good as the latest dudebro 4 hour campaign
In any case who cares as long as the game itself is great, there is a TON of content crammed into the game which will last hundreds of hours so you can forgive it if the graphics aren't as good as the latest dudebro 4 hour campaign
Preach it!
ebullientprism
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Having seen someone stream, its kinda bumming me out how much stuff they have recycled.
We're going in circles here.
UnObtainium17
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Yep, good thing I got an extra ps3 game case in here. I don't want to wear down that steelbook. I will touch it once to take the game out and that will be it
Edit: wait you don't like steelbooks?
Real. Like someone got it early.
I care because the mood and tone of a Souls game are very important to me, and the lighting and effects can play a major role in the game's presentation of the world.
It has been explained many times before that the footage we've seen is from the PS3 version. In fact, many here played the PS3 beta. The lightning was fine there.
A few of us also played the demo build. I did too, for hours in a hotel room in Germany (I had a press pass for gamescom). There was no trickery, It was a room with a bunch of TV's and PS3's, not demo stations. I turned on the PS3 I played on myself. This demo had the Mirror Knight fight, and the lightning was just like the video's posted here (from PlayStation All Access).
It's interesting that most people nerd out over the lore and story and highly value those aspects but somehow caring about atmosphere and visuals/art isn't something respectable.
Total double standards.
I think it's plain to see that there are differences between the unveiling footage and the game now. It's not just lighting differences, the entire pallete of the game is different. It was very red looking before. You can see in that video what appears to be the area around Majula (correct me if I'm wrong) and it looks very red.
In any case, set that aside, and let's look at what to me is more important: The game compared to the last game.
I've watched some videos on youtube of the early areas of play. The area with all the
, the area with the
Compared to Dark Souls 1, the game is a huge upgrade visually.
- vastly improved animations
- clothing physics
- better environments
- better lighting
It's absolutely plain to see. If you get all hung up on an early vertical slice for E3 that had to be retooled for reality on PS3, which is something developers HAVE to deal with, then you're only hurting yourself. Instead, look at reality, what's realistic, and what it is compared to the last game. I couldn't be more excited.
If absence of lighting in some areas and bad textures and some of the other nitpicks I've seen bother some of you guys a lot, boy, I tell you, I'm playing Dark Souls on PS3 right now (it's on right now), I don't understand how any of you tolerated this game because it's worse on all those fronts.
In any case, set that aside, and let's look at what to me is more important: The game compared to the last game.
I've watched some videos on youtube of the early areas of play. The area with all the
mini-giant knights
soldiers and the hunchback swordsman.
Compared to Dark Souls 1, the game is a huge upgrade visually.
- vastly improved animations
- clothing physics
- better environments
- better lighting
It's absolutely plain to see. If you get all hung up on an early vertical slice for E3 that had to be retooled for reality on PS3, which is something developers HAVE to deal with, then you're only hurting yourself. Instead, look at reality, what's realistic, and what it is compared to the last game. I couldn't be more excited.
If absence of lighting in some areas and bad textures and some of the other nitpicks I've seen bother some of you guys a lot, boy, I tell you, I'm playing Dark Souls on PS3 right now (it's on right now), I don't understand how any of you tolerated this game because it's worse on all those fronts.
I don't know where people are getting this "ugly/uninspired areas" from. Game looks to have incredible variety.
If you had seen someone play blighttown would you be impressed?
The game is great
@bradshoemaker: SURE WHY NOT http://twitter.com/bradshoemaker/status/442296035889512448/photo/1
@IroN1c: @bradshoemaker So that's bascially kind of a review?
@bradshoemaker: @IroN1c kinda!
If you had seen someone play blighttown would you be impressed?
The game is great
@bradshoemaker: SURE WHY NOT http://twitter.com/bradshoemaker/status/442296035889512448/photo/1
@IroN1c: @bradshoemaker So that's bascially kind of a review?
@bradshoemaker: @IroN1c kinda!
eot
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From the first game, or within the game itself?
Veggy
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Hmmm every build I've played never looked anywhere near as good as that footage, it does look better than DaS1 though
It's true, most of those are clear upgrades to Dark Souls 1. I would say that the textures are definitely a bit worse than in Dark Souls, however, I think that is a small price to pay for having bigger environments and other things like animations and new lighting. And yeah, I really dig the new character animations; I like the way the character rolls, and shifts weight when you go from one direction to the next.
jim2point0
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Also the notion I've read on some of these pages that FromSoft has pulled off some kind of deception -- I think that's kind of an unfair way of putting it. Like most developers, my expectation would be that they're passionate about the game, they love the game, and if they made compromises it probably is something that causes them a lot of pain internally.
When you're developing a game, it's an incredibly fluid environment, and you have the opportunity to show the game to the world in a controlled way, with the advantage that you don't have to be accountable (yet) to reality. It's not so much a deception as it is a work in progress that they want to show off in the best way possible. The "reality" phase of development hasn't set in yet; It's still fluid. If some things looked better back then, I assure you, that's what they wanted it to look like. If you have to roll some things back late in development to make sure it runs stably on the platform, then that's just a fact of game development. Especially game development on an antiquated piece of hardware.
When you're developing a game, it's an incredibly fluid environment, and you have the opportunity to show the game to the world in a controlled way, with the advantage that you don't have to be accountable (yet) to reality. It's not so much a deception as it is a work in progress that they want to show off in the best way possible. The "reality" phase of development hasn't set in yet; It's still fluid. If some things looked better back then, I assure you, that's what they wanted it to look like. If you have to roll some things back late in development to make sure it runs stably on the platform, then that's just a fact of game development. Especially game development on an antiquated piece of hardware.
I'm not talking about the dragon chamber with the skeleton, That did look like a pc demo, and not an actual gameplay build. The effects on that video looked beyond what the PS3 is capable of.
Just talking about the Mirror Knight demo and the beta, where the lightning was still pretty good.
The Mirror Knight demo and the beta are obviously not early vertical slices. I think it's fair to set one's expectations on graphics based on those PS3 builds. It's a new engine after all, so comparing to the DsK1 doesn't make that much sense.
PiPSmallie
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Can someone PM me a stream link? I would like to see what everyone's worried about.
Also take in considerations Demo isn't the final version. As pretty as it might have looked it might have been doing issues on the final build. The framerate of the game isn't perfect and those extra details might have caused more performance hits on the final version.
CadetMahoney
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On the PC do you play this with keyboard and mouse? Or is controller the preferred input.
Moral Panic
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Yes, but the entire aesthetic has been changed now, yet people are saying that those worried about it are "overreacting"? I understand fully that sometimes things don't pan out, but I think the huge change in look is something to be concerned about.
So I know that the PC version is up for preorder on Steam now, but how would I go about getting the physical boxed version for PC? When it comes to physical pre-orders, I've only found the PS3/360 versions for sale.
Is the PC version only being sold on steam?
Is the PC version only being sold on steam?
The first one was terrible on Keyboard but apparently From Software are working on improving the keyboard and mouse control option. I still would go for the Ps3/360 controller on PC. The game was clearly made with controller in mind.
That's probably what happened. From is obviously not intentionally doing this. So it isn't exactly deceptive, but it is unfortunate. Maybe it would have been wise to communicate about it, because I'm sure Namco is still using the old quality builds as promotional footage. If they continue doing that is does become a bit deceptive.
I'm aware that this stuff was running on ps3s in those demos. If I *had* to take a wild guess about why they can't do it now, it has to do with consistency. They simply don't have the hardware resources on PS3 to apply that level of appearance evenly to all of the environments. You can't have a player playing the game, go through a door, and suddenly it looks totally different.
Again, just a wild guess.
SargerusBR
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Hmm, interesting. I wonder if by "higher resolution textures for the PC version" they meant same as Dark Souls 1 then. If so, I'm super ok with this.
So I know that the PC version is up for preorder on Steam now, but how would I go about getting the physical boxed version for PC? When it comes to physical pre-orders, I've only found the PS3/360 versions for sale.
Is the PC version only being sold on steam?
I preordered a PC Black Armour Edition from amazon.co.uk and somehow that wound up being $50 including international shipping, but it's sold out now. At the moment your only option for a physical PC release (assuming you don't want to import it from Europe) is the Collector's Edition, which is available online from Club Namco, Amazon, and GameStop for $109.99.
The lighting and rain surely is drastic but it doesnt affect the gameplay. Those probably remain on the PC version considering the PC version has been delayed til the next month. (Also being lead version I have a feeling they are delaying so there is less complains about the tone down effects)
Polioliolio
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I guess no point in worrying about it now. I'm waiting for the PC version anyway.
Here's hopin'..
Jimmyfenix
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Lol I'm double dipping so I'm gonna get both worlds and love it in its 20fps-30fps glory and then on 60fps/1080p glory
I fully agree with that but it doesn't change the end result for the user. No one ever sets out to make something bad or disappointing.
Doesn't change the reality of the final product. And before people flip out I didn't just say that Dark Souls 2 was bad. Just so we're clear.
The game is currently anything but consistent. Some areas looks polished and nice but most of the stuff is stuck in a weird half finished looking state.
I would have guessed that PC/NEXT-GEN was the main target with the last-gen versions being compromised but that PS3 build looking and running great really is quite puzzling. We'll probably never know what the deal was.
I don't get it, that screenshot looks fine. Better than DS1 probably... Does GAF just make up drama when it's bored?
I have seen nods to King's Field, Demon's and Dark Souls, plus a shit ton of new stuff as well. The so called 'recycling' is nothing more than Easter Egg type stuff as far as I am concerned. A mere acknowledgment that is in-keeping with the series and as a sequel to Dark Souls specifically.
People who are claiming that it looks drab or uninspired are going to be in for a surprise when they see some of the variety and drool worthy locations. On top of that, there are all sorts of new enemies and bosses and a shitload more gear that is better looking than ever. This game has way more content than Demon's or Dark Souls and is every bit as hardcore.
People who are claiming that it looks drab or uninspired are going to be in for a surprise when they see some of the variety and drool worthy locations. On top of that, there are all sorts of new enemies and bosses and a shitload more gear that is better looking than ever. This game has way more content than Demon's or Dark Souls and is every bit as hardcore.
I'll be pretty surprised if I play the game next week and decide it looks "weird and half finished", since I loved the first game and thought it looked generally fine, but if I do I'll be the first to admit it.
What else are people going to do while they wait for DS2 to release?
And I'll be the first to be extremely happy if things turn out differently somehow!
On that note I am truly out of here until next week, I apologize if I offended anyone or generally pissed people off.
It wasn't the goal here, I'm just passionate about this stuff!
Clear
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Its irrelevant to me. I'm going to judge the game on what it actually looks like at the time of release because that's what I'll be buying and thus all that matters to me.
Personally I just find all the drama over pre-release footage differing in quality from final/near-final build just a flimsy excuse for people to piss and moan over stuff in absence of anything worthwhile to say.
Cloud Strife
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