Uno Venova
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Those January numbers were quite the collapse in sales, makes sense to have a video on what they could do to turn things around now. And people aren't really ringing alarm bells in the actual video.
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Bonus Round - Is Time Running Out For Xbox?
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Those January numbers were quite the collapse in sales, makes sense to have a video on what they could do to turn things around now. And people aren't really ringing alarm bells in the actual video.
Chobel
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That seems low, no?
gaming_noob
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MS needs this backlash/bomb in order to create a BEAST for next gen...
Unknown One
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He changes his mind a lot, not that I blame him for that. He initially said the next Xbox would win hands down.
The Cell is still a beast.
Yep. They just don't have the social media push and buzz from the press. Everyone is hyped up for the next great multiplayer game. inFamous isn't portrayed as the next coming of Christ like TitanFall. It isn't the "next big Microsoft shooter" that journalists/press have been conditioned to cling onto and generate interest in.
I don't think it's Game Over for the XBox One. In fact, I don't think the game has even started for real yet.
The PS4 is doing absolutely fantastic, but I wouldn't count out the XBox One this early. Lots of great experiences to be had on both systems.
Launch period is always shaky, and Sony has son the first few rounds, but I think there's still a lot if fight left in the XBox One.
The PS4 is doing absolutely fantastic, but I wouldn't count out the XBox One this early. Lots of great experiences to be had on both systems.
Launch period is always shaky, and Sony has son the first few rounds, but I think there's still a lot if fight left in the XBox One.
meanspartan
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I hadn't realized the gaming media was admitting to the One's "slow start" yet. Usually, I just hear them say stuff like "ya Ps4 is selling better but X1 is selling pretty good too!"
Nice to see them begin to connect to reality. Maybe Titanfall will change things, but for now it seems like Xbox One sales fell off a cliff after a good launch.
Nice to see them begin to connect to reality. Maybe Titanfall will change things, but for now it seems like Xbox One sales fell off a cliff after a good launch.
1.21Gigawatts
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Am I the only one who thinks that Infamous is going to sell more than Titanfall on XboxOne?
Btw: Saw two Infamous commercials while watching the video and in the video the guy asked where the marketing for that game is...
Btw: Saw two Infamous commercials while watching the video and in the video the guy asked where the marketing for that game is...
seventynine
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From a US gaming press perspective it was expected to dominate, and quite clearly it hasn't.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
But where is it now? Only in a ps3
TheRealTalker
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I also think inFamous will not push a major amount of consoles but then again the PS4 is already at its peak... doesn't need a push to begin with
Most people will buy inFamous because they have a PS4... they won't buy a PS4 to play inFamous (of course there are some exceptions)
I also feel the same way for TitanFall... it may give the XO a bump (seeing as it isn't sold out) but I believe the majority of people who want TF on the XO already purchased the XO
What I want to see is how the sales ratio between the two devices be in the March NPD
If the XO does indeed get a bump how much of that will effect the PS4 sales
how much will it drop and for how long?
Xbox, as in all Xbox consoles including the 360 and the 'bone?
Because that sounds quite low. Would Pachter even be privy to these numbers?
MutonCommander
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I don't think the average consumer cares that much.
Not sure is my point, it's not a proven purchase motivation.
I think the truth is it plays a role, but not a significant one. As for the performance copy battles of yore, the three you note all lost.
I don't really know what determines the winning platform, until last generation I'd have said it was just always the best library, but who knows.
I can kind of see what Patcher means about MS and the kinect problem. I don't know if they will wait a whole year after launch to unbundle it but it would make sense. Besides it probably comes off bad to the upper management that the tech/app that was being pushed for so long, was removed within the first year
The average consumer usually picks up at least the comment section on Amazon.com. I really think that consumers are more informed about their purchases nowadays.
Time was never "in" for Xbox One.
It was never, ever, under any circumstance going to be WW leader in console sales. The brand is simply too catered and rooted for the American market to be a legitimate WW player.
If one was to drastically change the brand to actually be able to compete WW, it would cease to be the very console that Xbox fans love and enjoy.
Titanfall fits perfectly, its a competitive online shooter with gritty graphics. The game at times look like Michael Bay's turd of a trilogy called Transformers. The next big games to carry the console will be Halo, and possibly Gears, more of the same, for the same market, for the same demographic.
It will somewhat work in US and slightly less in Europe, but thats it, they are not leading anything, ever. Unless they completely re brand the whole thing, and they wont.
It was never, ever, under any circumstance going to be WW leader in console sales. The brand is simply too catered and rooted for the American market to be a legitimate WW player.
If one was to drastically change the brand to actually be able to compete WW, it would cease to be the very console that Xbox fans love and enjoy.
Titanfall fits perfectly, its a competitive online shooter with gritty graphics. The game at times look like Michael Bay's turd of a trilogy called Transformers. The next big games to carry the console will be Halo, and possibly Gears, more of the same, for the same market, for the same demographic.
It will somewhat work in US and slightly less in Europe, but thats it, they are not leading anything, ever. Unless they completely re brand the whole thing, and they wont.
I took this picture in Feb at a Saturn in Frankfurt. Not a single PS4 in the store.
You could have taken the same picture in January or at least the second half of December. This console really isn#t moving units in Germany.
I know Amazon.de isn't a great metric but even with Titanfall coming out there isn't a single Xbox One in the top 100 video game charts. So maybe it will turn out that that game will mainly sell to the already established install base.
meanspartan
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Ya the days of a "blast processing" commercial convincing millions that the weaker console is actually better are long gone because of the internet.
Those are FIFA bundles ~529€, the initial shipping were Day One Editions.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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3.4 million consoles sold is not a slow start.
Some people cant divorce "The xbox one has increasingly lower chances of keeping pace with the PS4" from "xbox one is doomed"
Even the worse case scenario doesnt look anything like the WiiU situation.
Some people cant divorce "The xbox one has increasingly lower chances of keeping pace with the PS4" from "xbox one is doomed"
Even the worse case scenario doesnt look anything like the WiiU situation.
Uno Venova
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They've done updates every time they hit a million milestone so I guess not yet. I wonder if they've shipped another significant batch of units after the 3.9 figure because stores still seem to have plenty of stock.
It's funny because Germany is the unofficial supplier for Xbox Ones in all neighboring tier 2 countries.
For the quality of the console they are selling, sales are actually incredibly high right now. I think Xbox is doing great, if they thought they were going to be the leading console company with the crap they tried to pull they have to be kidding themselves. This should of went down as one of the all time biggest console flops but it somehow avoided it and might even go as far as to take over the Wii-U in sales.
MutonCommander
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Shouldn't they be buying PCs then, if they care about performance? I really believe Sony's early lead is mostly due do Microsoft's disastrous DRMgate days.
NavyPharaoh
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Haven't watched the video yet, but I've been getting the feeling the games media thinks the ps4 lead is a fluke and expects it to go away with the introduction of TitanFall. Kyle Bosman has been the only person I heard acknowledge this isn't a fluke.
Xbox is better for the consumer when they r in 2nd place. History doesn't lie. When they're n the lead, KINECT, DRM, TV, casual bullshit. When they feels the need to catch up, we get games... Good games
Xbox is better for the consumer when they r in 2nd place. History doesn't lie. When they're n the lead, KINECT, DRM, TV, casual bullshit. When they feels the need to catch up, we get games... Good games
He does and I certainly don't think that's a bad thing and almost everything he said in this video is more or less on the money but his pre-E3 predictions were really off and he badly under-estimated the beating MS would eventually get even after the prices were revealed.
The Silver
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Geoff fucking loves Titanfall so much, Joel redeemed
meanspartan
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Dreamcast was quick out the gate too. Nobody is saying 3.4 million is a "slow" start, but the trend matters. And the trend seems to be that the vast majority of those 3.4 million were sold in the first month and since then it's been slow going.
Uno Venova
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I don't see what PC has to do with it, if you're looking for a console and spending that money it's likely you will look up the advantages of one over the other, including power.
plasmawave
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Am I the only one who thought Joel is telling Ellie to shoot Pachter?
In the lead?
I don't know how MS came last after a year head-start, and still managed to convince so many people they won.
Performance is just one factor. There are enough other factors that would make you buy a console over a PC, even if you care about performance.
Optimus Lime
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This is a really interesting comment - I agree. One of the huge differences this time around is that we've seen an absolute explosion in the availability of online information. I don't remember anything like the utterly obsessive scrutiny of the hardware/software that we're currently seeing on things like Digital Foundry during the early years of last gen. I wonder if there's been some kind of explosion in 'enthusiast' gaming - there seems to be a lot more people who aren't simply passively reading reviews, and instead, are actively engaged in analysing system performance. Even if they don't necessarily understand the technology, they know that these debates go on, and want to be involved in them.
As far as I've seen, neither Sony nor Microsoft effectively prepared for this level of scrutiny. I don't think that they anticipated that the kind of rigorous community analysis that has traditionally been the domain of PC enthusiasts has gone 'mainstream', and that they can't whitewash the deficits of their hardware through advertising.
People left LIVE for PSN. That or they just cancelled outright.
Unknown One
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PS4 was going to beat out the Xbone regardless. As one of the posters above stated, the Xbox does not have World Wide appeal.
PS4 was always going to trash the Xbone in Europe. Hell, It was because of Europe that the PS3 caught up to the 360. There is no one year head launch and price disadvantage this time around.
Xbox has never been in the lead.
Which makes for Microsoft's arrogance all the more amusing. At least Sony in 2006, had some excuse for being arrogant asshats, as they actually dominated the console space for almost 10 years running, being partially responsible for the demise of Sega consoles and beating Nintendo down for 2 straight generations like no one could before. MS has never done that, they are arrogant just because. If i was to guess, they are arrogant because Microsoft as a whole is one of the biggest and richest companies in the world, thus there is a aura of "nothing can stop us".
Xbox One is WCW with Eric Bischoff spending money out out the ass
PS4 is WWF with McMahon in his prime, less money, but far better management
Interesting. I made a post about Xbox Live Gold and the percentage was high in the beginning of Xbox Live, 60% then later down to just over 50% then to around 45% two years or so ago. This data was from Microsoft PR and interviews.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Pachter is spot on with the Kinect portion.
though I don't agree with the price cut statements.
though I don't agree with the price cut statements.
1.21Gigawatts
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Not only germany. The XboxOne has a hard time selling all over europe, maybe except the UK.
I'd say the Ps4 outsells the XboxOne in europe by 4:1 or even 5:1 and it would be even higher if there were more Ps4s available.
There are some shops who still haven't met all the preorders made back in 2013.
I don't see any hype for Titanfall over here. Not in the press, not in forums and definitely not in real life.
I really think the effect Titanfall will have on the XboxOne is pretty overrated.
this is the most piss-poor of arguments trotted out regarding competition. Competition does not mean 'support the crap option so the good option does not get lax'