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Mark Julio (マークマ&#12531 ‏@MarkMan23 33m
@DeAnthrax I don't know. But all I know is the standard Sanwa JLF is 4 microswitches as are all standard arcade levers.

What about dpads?

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

It wasn't really deceptive if the image he attached to the message showed u+f and u+b.

 

[Kadey]

I don't believe in macros but the match is already over, he won fair and square as far as I can see and insults being thrown by people who are supposed to lead by examples are a no no. It's hard to defend the community when things are so out there for the world to see.

 

[Shouta]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

Good stuff on apologizing.

In the conversation he posted, he linked that image that's in the thread above, did you see that?

 

[Wallach]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

Like I asked above - should diagonal inputs actually be considered multiple directional inputs? I do not press two directions on an arcade stick to input a diagonal. It is a single action; the same action required to input a cardinal directional input.

 

[toddhunter]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

Thanks for clarifying. But I still don't understand how something that pisses off FChamp isn't automatically legal?

 

[vocab]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

Deceptive? He was 100% transparent.

 

[Anne]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

What about the diagram with numpad notation on it? Was it there, did you not read it, understand, or what?

 

[Tekniqs]

Man, that diagram is pretty unambiguous about what he was proposing.

this lol..it has the buttons labeled for crying out loud

 

[Ragingnight]

this is the picture in question

 

[Jazz-ism]

ive been of the opinion that hitboxes and bullshit like that should not be allowed. play pad or play stick like everyone else and stop trying to be unique. there is literally no other reason to try any alternative devices to play


if fucking brolylegs can play on a pad anyone should be able to

 

[Karsticles]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

He posted a picture of the stick in your conversation with him, and the directional macros are pretty clearly labeled. I can't see the deception here.

 

[JeTmAn81]

So why is it that pressing a single button to send the command up/right is different from pressing a stick in a single direction to do the same?

 

[dtg]

ive been of the opinion that hitboxes and bullshit like that should not be allowed. play pad or play stick like everyone else and stop trying to be unique. there is literally no other reason to try any alternative devices to play


if fucking brolylegs can play on a pad anyone should be able to

My keyboard :-(

Spoiler

and my hitbox

 

[SDBurton]

He posted a picture of the stick in your conversation with him, and the directional macros are pretty clearly labeled. I can't see the deception here.

Agreed.

 

[enzo_gt]

Wait a second... didn't FChamp or someone else complain about similar macros in a major before?

I'm having deja vu ATM.

this lol..it has the buttons labeled for crying out loud

In 3 different ways, with an arrow, numpad notation and shortform lol

 

[GuardianE]

if fucking brolylegs can play on a pad anyone should be able to

That's kind of a bad example, considering that Brolylegs uses in-game macros to be able to option-select and play properly.

And doesn't he use a modified pad anyway?

 

[Camp Lo]

He posted a picture of the stick in your conversation with him, and the directional macros are pretty clearly labeled. I can't see the deception here.

I can't either. RU/LU + MSpaint arrows

 

[I-hate-u]

He was pretty deceptive in asking if it was legal. He stated that if could map directionals to a button. That answer is still yes. Mapping multiple directions to a button is not.

I apologized on twitter for calling him a dbag.

Good on you MrWizard.

 

[K.Sabot]

So why is it that pressing a single button to send the command up/right is different from pressing a stick in a single direction to do the same?

Because it hits two switches mang, that's sooooo bullshit.

 

[gutabo]

https://twitter.com/NYChrisG/status/445062925867155456

 

[Uraizen]

this is the picture in question

That's 100% straightforward, it even has the numpad notation on it.

 

[Shouta]

So why is it that pressing a single button to send the command up/right is different from pressing a stick in a single direction to do the same?

The idea is that when you're using a stick, you can miss the input and not hit both switches to make it diagonal where as it being mapped to a button removes that potential error.

 

[Passive Assassin]

Jay Snyder ‏@JayViscant 9m
Seriously though, we should ban stick art. If you have anime characters on your stick, you should be banned. From life.

bodied!

 

[Camp Lo]

https://twitter.com/NYChrisG/status/445062925867155456

Ban pads?

 

[Wallach]

The idea is that when you're using a stick, you can miss the input and not hit both switches to make it diagonal where as it being mapped to a button removes that potential error.

But you could also miss a cardinal input and get a diagonal, where mapping a cardinal to a button is apparently considered acceptable.

Edit - I am only saying that I understand the notion of forcing directional inputs via D-Pad or stick globally, but I do not understand the argument of the distinction between cardinal and diagonal.

 

[darkblade77]

So what happens when you press these buttons in tandem with stick input? Does it override the stick input, or are both signals interpreted?

The latter is the only issue I can see with this... otherwise, hitting two signals with a physical input should be legal as long as it's something an arcade stick can physically do.

 

[Dahbomb]

*Sees drama on the past 3 pages*

*Realizes it's Marvel related*


WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE THIS GAME???? - Yipes

 

[GuardianE]

The idea is that when you're using a stick, you can miss the input and not hit both switches to make it diagonal where as it being mapped to a button removes that potential error.

That idea is also true of hitboxes and blocking left/right mix-ups, but those are legal.

 

[hitsugi]

but the rules are "whatever top players want", though.

He would've gone on using this for 10 more years if he didn't beat fchamp and neo in a tournament.

It is no surprise that this became an issue under those circumstances. However, consistency does need to be upheld. Something like macros or stick / button configurations should be universally accepted.

 

[CPS2]

So why is it that pressing a single button to send the command up/right is different from pressing a stick in a single direction to do the same?

Dude that sounds like a macro to me and I want to see 2 joysticks on your controller from now on. Anyone hitting 2 microswitches at once is banned.

2 sticks with pacman style gates is the new standard.

 

[Busaiku]

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

 

[enzo_gt]

Because it hits two switches mang, that's sooooo bullshit.

Does this have a functional advantage of any type?

 

[Ogrekiller]

Dude that sounds like a macro to me and I want to see 2 joysticks on your controller from now on. Anyone hitting 2 microswitches at once is banned.

If you have 2 joysticks then u can block in both directions at once BAN

Also if you hit a direction and a attack that's a macro as well

Only press one button at any given time

 

[Conceited]

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

Apt.

 

[soakrates]

I honestly don't know whether or not these kinds of mods/macros should fly, but the rules are the rules, and if Full Schedule didn't clear it with the Final Round TOs, that's on him.

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

bahahahaha

 

[phaonaut]

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

Enzo pay attention, thats next weeks title.

 

[K.Sabot]

Does this have a functional advantage of any type?

Stick players are mad because they miss their 7 and 9 inputs because sticks are made with 4 switches.

Edit: scratch that I meant to say Marvel players, need to specify.

 

[Clawww]

real talk would someone with 3 arms and hands be banned from EVO

 

[GuardianE]

Does this have a functional advantage of any type?

Greater precision. I think that's it.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

So what happens when you press these buttons in tandem with stick input? Does it override the stick input, or are both signals interpreted?

The latter is the only issue I can see with this... otherwise, hitting two signals with a physical input should be legal as long as it's something an arcade stick can physically do.

Let's not forget that a standard 360 or ps3 gamepad lets you hit left and right at the same time if you use both the analog stick and the dpad.

 

[hitsugi]

the argument of it making viper cancels easier should really be moot. hello plink dashing.

 

[Omega]

watching the re-run of SC2 IEM championships..we need SF in an arena

 

[Tekniqs]

Wait a second... didn't FChamp or someone else complain about similar macros in a major before?

I'm having deja vu ATM.


In 3 different ways, with an arrow, numpad notation and shortform lol

this is a bad look for the FGC. well known people (top players/tourney organizers) shitting on a lesser known player is seriously a huge fuck up IMO. and then they back it up with erroneous claims

 

[RS4-]

Is that how pad players do standing 720s

 

[theprodigy]

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

you are paying attention right enzo

 

[gutabo]

https://twitter.com/fullschedulemvc/status/445064880731983873

 

[Ragingnight]

Let's not forget that a standard 360 or ps3 gamepad lets you hit left and right at the same time if you use both the analog stick and the dpad.

one takes priority I believe. You can't do that on hitbox or ps3/360 pad/analog to block both ways.

edit

MrWizard said he read it wrong.

Joey Cuellar ‏@EvilMrWizard 3m
@Fooblat Yeah clearly I was in the wrong. I looked at it and assumed it was just up and left on the stick.

Joey Cuellar ‏@EvilMrWizard 1m
@fullschedulemvc I do apologize for calling you a derogatory name. I was wrong, and clearly didn't study the diagram.

 

[MrWizard]

He posted a picture of the stick in your conversation with him, and the directional macros are pretty clearly labeled. I can't see the deception here.

Yeah you are correct. I clearly only glanced at the pic, and thought it was only one direction.

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Marvel is the Florida of Fighting Games.

I like it, I like it alot

- Mickey Mouse

 

[Kumubou]

one takes priority I believe. You can't do that on hitbox or ps3/360 pad/analog to block both ways.

You know this worked in MvC3 with Hitboxes, right? The game WILL take both inputs (they fixed this in Ultimate, thankfully).

Also: Aren't there a bunch of players who have sticks wired for single-button plink dashing anyway?