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[Sho_Nuff82]

Once again. Can you provide evidence of such a ratio? And furthermore, what title sells consistantly those kind of numbers (200k+) over 3 weeks?

Since you asked,

Mass Effect 2

Week 1 UK sales = 110k, sales through 2 weeks = 150k


Jan/Feb NPD sales = 572k (4 days) + 246k (28 days) on 360 alone.

So again, I say that >700k for a game that released on March 11th for a tracking period that runs through the end of the month, with evidence that the game sold better out of the gate than ME2's PAL launch, is perfectly reasonable.

 

[Ape]

125k in how many days?

 

[Principate]

That is what I'm saying for months, but I doubt it will work for them for several reasons. Price is still the major barrier and if TF doesnt have an impact at the begining there wont be much positive PR to strenghten confidence in people sitting on the fence about the xbone. Those sales you are talking about in the future are heavily connected to Titanfalls reception at its begining.

It's not determined solely by that, it's also determine by word of mouth. Gears of war, Call of duty etc didn't sell gangbusters at the very start not even at release, they grew because of strong advertisement and good word of mouth. Gears of war is very relevant example since it was an actual system seller.

No I'm not saying XB1 will sell well now or that Titanfall will help it's longer term prospects. What I'm is just that you can't determine such a thing based on front loaded sales.

Which are by their very nature front loaded...

 

[McLovin]

Thought it would be more. They did have a price drop after all.

 

[TomShoe]

125k in how many days?

It launched in the UK on the 14th.

 

[Kysen]

Slightly concerned at the low increase of sales Dark Souls 2 had, compared to Dark Souls. Given how much was spent in advertising, I'm near-certain the publisher was expecting a bigger sales.

This is what I expected to happen (for there to be a lot of marketing investment but low ROI) but I hope this doesn't impact the release and quality of future games in the series.

It's the last gen effect. All last gen game sales have tanked. I expect it to get worse the further along this year as more people make the switch. More studios either need to have cross gen games or drop last gen completely. User base argument has collapsed.

 

[Eoin]

So the maximum for One sales is ~180k because ~70% of hardware sales were Titanfall bundles.

Only if you think nobody bought Titanfall outside a bundle, which obviously is not the case.

Not sure how this is releavant to what I posted, but using percentages is the only way to work out what a game sold from the type of information Chart-Track release. They occasionally give out a solid number for a week and then just report it's change from the previous week -46%, +121%, etc.

 

[Ape]

It launched in the UK on the 14th.

So two days? Great numbers for the UK.

 

[Maninthemirror]

It's hard to compare. Did any of those other games have a price cut two weeks before? It's a bump on top of a price cut bump.

It's twice as big as the biggest launch week this year so far. For comparison against an early system seller, it outsold MGS 4 by at least 15k in it first week.

I think it's safe to say if titanfall did not have the biggest sales of the week as the first major game , that would be troubling for Microsoft

 

[Principate]

Only if you think nobody bought Titanfall outside a bundle, which obviously is not the case.

That's he said maximum, not that it is an actual feasible number. Basically it's the ceiling.

 

[FiggyCal]

@Sho_nuff On second thought. You've convinced me. Titanfall ≥ 700k definitely.

 

[Jack cw]

It's not determined solely by that, it's also determine by word of mouth. Gears of war, Call of duty etc didn't sell gangbusters at the very start not even at release, they grew because of strong advertisement and good word of mouth. Gears of war is very relevant example since it was an actual system seller.

No I'm not saying XB1 will sell well now or that Titanfall will help it's longer term prospects. What I'm is just that you can't determine such a thing based on front loaded sales.

Which are by their very nature front loaded...

Fair enough and I agree with that, but Gears worked for other reasons as well. It was a true showcase in design, graphics and appeal. Factoring in the 399$ price for the console and a November release, it was clear that the game would sell incredible for a new IP and move consoles. We have a bit different situation here and the effects wont be nearly as big as with Gears.

 

[coughlanio]

96% with *the* major title, and a price drop.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but that doesn't sound that good.

 

[ethomaz]

It sold less than 20k per week in December... so I guess the sales are not that high on weekly basis in Jan/Feb.

This 96% could mean 20-30k this week... not big numbers.

Edit - I mean Xbone... not Titanfall.

 

[Principate]

Fair enough and I agree with that, but Gears worked for other reasons as well. It was a true showcase in design, graphics and appeal. Factoring in the 399$ price for the console and a November release, it was clear that the game would sell incredible for a new IP and move consoles. We have a bit different situation here and the effects wont be nearly as big as with Gears.

We could, that barrier still is very significant. We'll see if Microsoft's hopes work out

 

[Megatron]

What kind of bump do you expect the PS4 to get next week with Infamous? A bit unfair I guess, since the game comes out on Friday, while Titanfall came out on a Wednesday. And I think PS4s are still scarce in the UK (They are out of stock on amazon.uk, while game shows that you can pre-order bundles that include Second Son at 385 pounds, the same price as a bundle with Call of Duty Ghosts and Fifa. But just the console only at the regular price isn't in stock. If that bundle is the only sure way to get a PS4 it might do really well as you'd think most new PS4 buyers will want SS anyway.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Since you asked,

Mass Effect 2

Week 1 UK sales = 110k, sales through 2 weeks = 150k


Jan/Feb NPD sales = 572k (4 days) + 246k (28 days) on 360 alone.

So again, I say that >700k for a game that released on March 11th for a tracking period that runs through the end of the month, with evidence that the game sold better out of the gate than ME2's PAL launch, is perfectly reasonable.

Well. Time will tell, i still think you are being hopelessly optimistic here. Titanfall is a new IP on a new console, there is no indication its sales are front loaded or not.

 

[Camp Freddie]

It's surprisingly low when you think about it being week-to-week sales. It's also meaningless without considering the absolute numbers and a much longer time-period.

This basically represents people who realised that if you wait a week, you'll get a free game and £30-60 off the price.

Anyone who bought an XBone in the week before Titanfall was an idiot, or had more money than sense. There should have been a sales dip between the announcement and release of the titanfall+pricecut bundle, as a lot of people will postpone their purchases.

It's even poorer when you consider the modern consumer culture of pre-orders.
Lots of people will have pre-ordered the Titanfall bundle instead of buying the base console for a much higher price.
All those pre-orders constitute a Day 1 sale, so that the release week should see an enormous sales bump.

I was expecting the Titanfall/pricecut to drive a lot of people into upgrading from 360.
It's in stock at £369 now, which makes it cheaper than a PS4 bundle (in the unlikely evet that you can find one in stock).
This bundle really should make a big difference in closing the gap, but the release week sales aren't encouraging.

 

[d9b]

Now with 98% more PR fluffing. Hard numbers or GTFO!

 

[secondspace]

Fair enough and I agree with that, but Gears worked for other reasons as well. It was a true showcase in design, graphics and appeal. Factoring in the 399$ price for the console and a November release, it was clear that the game would sell incredible for a new IP and move consoles. We have a bit different situation here and the effects wont be nearly as big as with Gears.

I don't think you can make predictions about these sort of things. It's the right genre and the developers have a good pedigree to shift consoles, but we need to wait and see if the game is still generating good word of mouth in a month or two months time.

 

[Eoin]

That's he said maximum, not that it is an actual feasible number. Basically it's the ceiling.

Well it still wouldn't be the maximum, since 5% of that 125k were PC sales.

 

[Loudninja]

So two days? Great numbers for the UK.

Its always 2 days.

 

[Eoin]

It's surprisingly low when you think about it being week-to-week sales. It's also meaningless without considering the absolute numbers and a much longer time-period.

This basically represents people who realised that if you wait a week, you'll get a free game and £30-60 off the price.

Anyone who bought an XBone in the week before Titanfall was an idiot, or had more money than sense. There should have been a sales dip between the announcement and release of the titanfall+pricecut bundle, as a lot of people will postpone their purchases.

It's even poorer when you consider the modern consumer culture of pre-orders.
Lots of people will have pre-ordered the Titanfall bundle instead of buying the base console for a much higher price.
All those pre-orders constitute a Day 1 sale, so that the release week should see an enormous sales bump.

I was expecting the Titanfall/pricecut to drive a lot of people into upgrading from 360.
It's in stock at £369 now, which makes it cheaper than a PS4 bundle (in the unlikely evet that you can find one in stock).
This bundle really should make a big difference in closing the gap, but the release week sales aren't encouraging.

Price cut happened two week previously, so this 96% bump would be on top of whatever bump that had already caused.

 

[Pjsprojects]

From my anecdotal experience, sales have increased, but not nearly as much as anyone was expecting. We ordered way too much Titanfall copies, consoles and swag at my store that we're having to discount it by 10% just to move stock.

This does not sound to good for Xbone.

 

[besada]

Now with 98% more PR fluffing. Hard numbers or GTFO!

It's not MS releasing numbers or percentages, it's Chart-Track, which doesn't release numbers. Please read the OP. This has nothing to do with PR fluffing, it's simply a report by Chart-Track detailing dales for the week.

 

[RetroStu]

I'm more suprised at the fact that Titanfall sold more copies than a huge fanboy game that just launched on millions of consoles (Dark Souls 2). I'm guessing Titanfalls numbers must include the PC sales as well?, its still impressive either way.

 

[Eoin]

This does not sound to good for Xbone.

Or he works at a store trying to sell the game for £50+. Amazon were selling it for £37, making stores trying to add the next gen tax look like a bunch of theives and crooks.

I'm guessing Titanfalls numbers must include the PC sales as well?, its still impressive either way.

They do, but PC only accounts for 5% of the sales. This only counts retail sales, most of the PC sales would have been DD.

 

[Principate]

Well it still wouldn't be the maximum, since 5% of that 125k were PC sales.

Well yeah if he didn't take that into account I don't actually look at or do the math.

 

[FiggyCal]

I'm more suprised at the fact that Titanfall sold more copies than a huge fanboy game that just launched on millions of consoles (Dark Souls 2). I'm guessing Titanfalls numbers must include the PC sales as well?, its still impressive either way.

Dark Souls is a niche game for weird people. Titanfall is mainstream.

 

[BigSpleenAttack]

96% with *the* major title, and a price drop.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but that doesn't sound that good.

It isn't really, Ms needed more then that, sales will drop again in the nest 1-2 weeks.

 

[Jack cw]

I don't think you can make predictions about these sort of things. It's the right genre and the developers have a good pedigree to shift consoles, but we need to wait and see if the game is still generating good word of mouth in a month or two months time.

Its just a personal estimate because there are factors that speak against it. Console price, TitanFall being not exclusive to xbone, still very bad PR and word of mouth about the console, strong competition with strong titles in the same month, spring and summer being not so hot months for hardware sales, online paywall with no real benefit to the free model on PC... The list is long and I would love to see TF sell like crazy because Respawn brought something new to the genre that should be appreciated with sales.

 

[BigSpleenAttack]

Dark Souls is a niche game for weird people. Titanfall is mainstream.

Weird people? Dark Souls design craps all over most modern games today. It's for those who like deep, smart, amazing games. Not the casuals who like being rushed from point a to b then go on to the next game.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Since you asked,

Mass Effect 2

Week 1 UK sales = 110k, sales through 2 weeks = 150k


Jan/Feb NPD sales = 572k (4 days) + 246k (28 days) on 360 alone.

So again, I say that >700k for a game that released on March 11th for a tracking period that runs through the end of the month, with evidence that the game sold better out of the gate than ME2's PAL launch, is perfectly reasonable.

Also mass effect has an appeal but not the kind of an appeal a shooter has .

Weird people? Dark Souls design craps all over most modern games today. It's for those who like deep, smart, amazing games. Not the casuals who like being rushed from point a to b then go on to the next game.

Case in point

Dark souls most likely is a better game but the mass appeal is just not on its side and will never be considering it takes more skills than most games

 

[Briarios]

It's not a surprising number, and it probably should have been higher. The wording is pretty specific. Sales increases 96% over the previous week for the system. That's not surprising because of the announced price drop and -- this is the big one -- the pre-orders for the bundle. What you're seeing tips the people that actually "bought" it since the bundle was announced. All the sales get lumped into the day the bundle is picked up. The important number is next week to see how much sales drop from this week. If they don't drop or go up, then Microsoft has made progress.

 

[Bgamer90]

It isn't really, Ms needed more then that, sales will drop again in the nest 1-2 weeks.

Tell me, how much did MS need then?

I mean, more would have been great but I don't see how this is bad news.

"Respawn's PC and Xbox One shooter is the UK's best-selling game, as expected, and is the biggest release of 2014 so far with more than double the sales of what had been 2014's current leader, FIFA 14..."

Double the sales of FIFA 14? In the UK? That's not bad at all.

 

[Jack cw]

Dark Souls is a niche game for weird people. Titanfall is mainstream.

Hahaha, I love that comparison. Its even more funny that it absloutely works the other way around.

 

[Syrus]

How is doubling sales in two days being downplayed??

 

[Ol No Bones]

Dark Souls is a niche game for weird people. Titanfall is mainstream.

I like it all. Why do gamers gave to belong to some kind of group?

 

[Briarios]

Price cut happened two week previously, so this 96% bump would be on top of whatever bump that had already caused.

No, it's not -- because the bundles with Titanfall wouldn't release until the game does. So, those were all pre-orders.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Tell me, how much did MS need then?

I mean, more would have been great but I don't see how this is bad news.

"Respawn's PC and Xbox One shooter is the UK's best-selling game, as expected, and is the biggest release of 2014 so far with more than double the sales of what had been 2014's current leader, FIFA 14..."

Double the sales of FIFA 14? In the UK? That's not bad at all.

FIFA was released in November 2013. Those who wanted FIFA would have bought FIFA long before 2014. Its only march and by end of 2014 the titanfall number will be dwarfed by many games. We see it as a big number because its the first big release on any platform this year

 

[benny_a]

Weird people? Dark Souls design craps all over most modern games today. It's for those who like deep, smart, amazing games. Not the casuals who like being rushed from point a to b then go on to the next game.

Titanfall is also not a game where you rush from a to b and then go to the next game.

It's a multiplayer-only shooter that wants to keep you hooked for months.

 

[MercuryLS]

Good for MS, now lets see if they can keep the momentum up. I wonder what kind of legs Titanfall will have.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Now with 98% more PR fluffing. Hard numbers or GTFO!

Nice driveby without reading the OP. Has nothing to do with "PR fluffing".

 

[Pseudo judo]

The OP set the tone but the downplaying the followed was delicious. No, need to read the rest of the thread, I know how this dance goes.

 

[Alchemist]

96% compared to the console's sales the previous week? The numbers must be minuscule because nobody in their right mind bought an Xbox One knowing the Titanfall bundle was coming.

 

[spookyfish]

It's happening

What is happening? The use of percentages instead of numbers? Yes. Yes it is.

 

[BigSpleenAttack]

Tell me, how much did MS need then?

I mean, more would have been great but I don't see how this is bad news.

"Respawn's PC and Xbox One shooter is the UK's best-selling game, as expected, and is the biggest release of 2014 so far with more than double the sales of what had been 2014's current leader, FIFA 14..."

Double the sales of FIFA 14? In the UK? That's not bad at all.

Didnt say it was bad, but it's not great either, Ms has nothing now until the fall, it's not going to have the big consistent sales spike Ms wants.

 

[RetroStu]

Dark Souls is a niche game for weird people. Titanfall is mainstream.

Dark Souls is a big enough game to get a ton of adverts on UK tv other the past couple of weeks. Its also launched on millions of 360's and Ps3's compared to how many hundreds of thousands X1's there are in the UK.

 

[BigSpleenAttack]

Titanfall is also not a game where you rush from a to b and then go to the next game.

It's a multiplayer-only shooter that wants to keep you hooked for months.

Re-read the conversation. was not talking about TF. TF is a casual mindless shooter though.

 

[Bgamer90]

FIFA was released in November 2013. Those who wanted FIFA would have bought FIFA long before 2014. Its only march and by end of 2014 the titanfall number will be dwarfed by many games. We see it as a big number because its the first big release on any platform this year

Of course Titanfall won't be in the top spot... The game isn't on every current console.

I just don't see how this is bad news. People saying "it should have done better" without giving an exact amount/target of how it should have done for it to be "good". It's a bit funny.