Exactly. Just give me a date Sony and I'm there.
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Project Morpheus - Sony VR headset prototype - unveiled
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Again, its been in the news plenty since then. Stop trying to wiggle out of this. lol
qa_engineer
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I really do hope OR and SCE can standardize development on their respective platforms. This will make porting games from a PC environment much easier. We all know that a seamless Dev environment on PC and console will only allow for more games. Sure the PS4 isn't as powerful as top end PCs, but to have similar experiences brought to a wider audience is beneficial to developers, publishers and platform holders
The Rift has connected with PC audiences everywhere. I get people who walk into my GameStop who talk about it and have played kits. I live in a small town in New Mexico.
It's been covered in every gaming website and the major gaming magazines. At this point, this is on you.
I was afraid that they would integrate it with Move and Eye.
That means 400(?) for the Morpheus, and 80+120 for the eye plus double move, is 600, on top of the 400 for the PS4. That's not exactly consumer level price and going to end up even more niche than Move was. AAA devs are not going to support it much, because they're about targeting the largest possible demographic, and when all the "exciting" games happen outside of the VR, even less people will be inclined to put in so much money. Long story short, same 'fad' as motion gaming.
That means 400(?) for the Morpheus, and 80+120 for the eye plus double move, is 600, on top of the 400 for the PS4. That's not exactly consumer level price and going to end up even more niche than Move was. AAA devs are not going to support it much, because they're about targeting the largest possible demographic, and when all the "exciting" games happen outside of the VR, even less people will be inclined to put in so much money. Long story short, same 'fad' as motion gaming.
Very few people know Andrew House is Palmer Luckey's father, it's one of the industry's darkest secrets.Huh.
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I've had people who don't play games tell me about it at work.
qa_engineer
Member
I see them subsidizing this product if it gains enough developer traction. Think a starter bundle that includes the camera move stick and headset.
Nightengale
Member
Oculus has been gushed at by the tech community with lavish praise. ( tech, not necessarily gaming )
It's got a ton of coverage, hype and excitement to them. Sorry to make this kind of comparison, but Oculus is the Titanfall-equivalent of technology hype, in the sense that mostly every tech journalist that have tried it had their minds blown.
Will it ultimately matter? Who knows. Oculus is not lacking in the no.of experiments being tried out with the device, even if actual shipping content is still light at the moment.
But VR hype exist, even if not necessarily from the mainstream gaming community. But a lot of people is excited about Oculus and the VR potential.
It's got a ton of coverage, hype and excitement to them. Sorry to make this kind of comparison, but Oculus is the Titanfall-equivalent of technology hype, in the sense that mostly every tech journalist that have tried it had their minds blown.
Will it ultimately matter? Who knows. Oculus is not lacking in the no.of experiments being tried out with the device, even if actual shipping content is still light at the moment.
But VR hype exist, even if not necessarily from the mainstream gaming community. But a lot of people is excited about Oculus and the VR potential.
From the Edge article
Maybe OculusVR should have focussed on using the DevKit availability to create a development environment for VR which was licensed to other hardware producers. This would minimize the risk of beeing first in the market but unable to compete with big hardware companies like Sony.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/pot...its-virtual-reality-headset-project-morpheus/
Maybe OculusVR should have focussed on using the DevKit availability to create a development environment for VR which was licensed to other hardware producers. This would minimize the risk of beeing first in the market but unable to compete with big hardware companies like Sony.
qa_engineer
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They bagan development in 2010. Some consideration had to be made for this device.
You always pop up in the VR threads to cast your 'doubts'. If its not one thing, its another. Now you're exaggerating some of the prices, and including the price of the PS4 in there just to make it sound worse.
You're going to be so incredibly wrong.
Oculus is looking more like night vision goggles these days.
Wait, this thing messes up my 'do.
Aw hell naw
valkillmore
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I just came here to post this. I think you are absolutely correct.
The exciting games will be the VR ones. Try a good working demo once and you will have no doubt anymore. And you don't need 2 moves. The DS4 will be good enough for most games I suspect.
That would probably be a smart move, though the PS4 is already trouncing the competition, so I'm not sure why they'd want to make a loss on it. Long term planning?
That's weird. I remember one of the earliest Sony VR rumors was that they had demos of Super Stardust.
I really hope Sony is as proactive as they have been in getting PS4 dev kits in peoples hands.
VindicatorZ
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I can always rely on you Spekkeh, to spew some negativity about VR. Cheers!
I wonder if VR development is just so primitive, its just not wise to lay down 'environments' like this at this stage? I'm no developer so this may not make any sense.
Oculus Rift plastered over mainstream media? Wut? Mainstream barely knows that VR exists and they know jackshit about Occulus. VR is a total niche, mainstream doesn't care.
That's why I put it in between " ". The exciting games are now also in the indie scene, but that's what we enthusiasts think, not the general public. The big pubs still have a stranglehold on the industry.
Reserved? No, developers are already using all the RAM there.
It may have been a reason for them bumping it up to 8GB in the first place, though.
It may not have been 'plastered' over mainstream media, but any game enthusiast would have had to try *very hard* to have ignored Oculus Rift up to this point.
No, devs have access to 5GB.
As for the price debate. People have no idea what VR even is. It's been this concept in sci-fi for fifty years, but the vast majority of people have no idea what it means in a practical sense. People are going to lose their shit.
geordiemp
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Thank you. Anyway, being a console only gamer, I am super pumped and would pre-order Morpheus in a heartbeat.
Please announce a price at E3 sony for xmas 2014...Even if we only have a couple of games it will sell
Media Molecule doing something with Sony's VR is one of the most exciting ideas in the history of exciting ideas.
Given that the 'game' they were showing off at the reveal was controlled with the Move, could they have been in this from the start?
i dont think development is going to be a problem at all.
it seems that all of the major 3rd party vendors will support both, so when you use engine and libraries from Epic, Crytek, Havok, Unity etc, they will all automatically support both.
This is a big deal for everyone and it is great for Oculus folks as well. People dont have to see it as a threat at all, so there is no need for any kind of meltdowns.
it seems that all of the major 3rd party vendors will support both, so when you use engine and libraries from Epic, Crytek, Havok, Unity etc, they will all automatically support both.
This is a big deal for everyone and it is great for Oculus folks as well. People dont have to see it as a threat at all, so there is no need for any kind of meltdowns.
That's true and they could fit it with dedicated graphics processor
Can Crusher
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Ditto. From what I understand, once you try it you don't want to go back. V.R's potential isn't a joke.
The numerous demos of the OR demos to non-gamers seem to prove that point. Though whether that translates into sales of VR hardware is another thing entirely.
thats not false...a tech demo
Yes they will support both but my wallet already tries to escape my pocket with me thinking about getting both the Oculus AND the Sony VR
Of course that was my reaction to both 3D (with Avatar) and HFR (with The Hobbit). The former got mostly killed due to misuse by Hollywood, whilst the latter hasn't been picked up as far as I know.
Will there be any additional info the next few days or do we have to wait until E3 for some details?
This could be incredible, and I have high, high hopes for it right now.
But I just hope it doesn't turn into what Playstation Move was last gen.
They copied it from Wii because it was the "next big thing" then wasted resources and time making terrible games for it instead of "normal" games.
When XB1 was so kinect based I was excited to see Sony going so "classic" with the PS4.
Meh, as long as they keep the traditional style first party games coming too I'm sure it'll be awesome.
But I just hope it doesn't turn into what Playstation Move was last gen.
They copied it from Wii because it was the "next big thing" then wasted resources and time making terrible games for it instead of "normal" games.
When XB1 was so kinect based I was excited to see Sony going so "classic" with the PS4.
Meh, as long as they keep the traditional style first party games coming too I'm sure it'll be awesome.
SHADES
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I highly doubt that Sony would price this higher than the PS4 as to many consumers it would price them out of the market, I do however see this as being a similar scenario to project natal in terms of pricing considering all the extras needed(move/camera).
£200 max or no dice & considering OR DK1 was what??? $300 last time I checked that £200 estimate falls inline with the current Oculus pricing.
Remember that if people wanted to spend upwards of £800 (PS4/VR/MOVE/CAMERA) as an entry to VR then they'd very much consider going down the building a PC route & going with Oculus, Sony has to be aware of this already.
Saw a couple of other slides on Game.Impress.
The Castle seems to be inspired by Mont St Michel - very cool!
A slightly better photo than I've seen elsewhere of the PS3 GoW demo:
Plus a slightly different angle on the set itself:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140319_640418.html
The Castle seems to be inspired by Mont St Michel - very cool!
A slightly better photo than I've seen elsewhere of the PS3 GoW demo:
Plus a slightly different angle on the set itself:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140319_640418.html
Impeccable
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This is the "Kinect/Move" for the hard core audience. The buzz is huge and exciting but the same thing applies - Sony needs to rely on developers to support the device. Without support it's dead. So they have the right strategy by announcing at GDC and while it's still in the prototype phase because they gain huge momentum going forward for their existing accessories on the promise of a bright future.
They really need to manage to captive the casual audience NOT the hard core. The hard core are already on-board and willing to post images of "Shut up and take my money!" on a completely limited showing. Hard core gamers aren't necessarily the ones who made Kinect, The Wii and to a lesser extent Move as successful as they were. We scoffed and laughed at their implementation and they went on to be successful devices due to the mainstream adoption. Sony's priority should be to let the games take care of themselves - which is the impossible part. Not many developers have gone out of their way to support the existing accessories and it shows. As someone who purchased Move based on similar hype I've come to realize these devices are a gamble to buy because you're often left out with limited ability to use your technology when companies begin to realize how different and difficult the development environment becomes when you have to support a potentially niche audience.
Their strategy should be almost Nintendo-like in their pursuit of casual VR experiences and hope that on some prayer third parties feel the need to alter their development to focus on what I think will be another niche product. Without the games all you've got is another Move or Kinect. As much as this might piss gamers off... they clearly already "had us at hello" now let's sell this device to the largest market possible - the casuals.
Tourism, experiences, movies but not games.
I've been very open about being highly skeptical of VR and have said that at this point in my life it's pretty much not feasible for me to support or use the device so take that as you will.
They really need to manage to captive the casual audience NOT the hard core. The hard core are already on-board and willing to post images of "Shut up and take my money!" on a completely limited showing. Hard core gamers aren't necessarily the ones who made Kinect, The Wii and to a lesser extent Move as successful as they were. We scoffed and laughed at their implementation and they went on to be successful devices due to the mainstream adoption. Sony's priority should be to let the games take care of themselves - which is the impossible part. Not many developers have gone out of their way to support the existing accessories and it shows. As someone who purchased Move based on similar hype I've come to realize these devices are a gamble to buy because you're often left out with limited ability to use your technology when companies begin to realize how different and difficult the development environment becomes when you have to support a potentially niche audience.
Their strategy should be almost Nintendo-like in their pursuit of casual VR experiences and hope that on some prayer third parties feel the need to alter their development to focus on what I think will be another niche product. Without the games all you've got is another Move or Kinect. As much as this might piss gamers off... they clearly already "had us at hello" now let's sell this device to the largest market possible - the casuals.
Tourism, experiences, movies but not games.
I've been very open about being highly skeptical of VR and have said that at this point in my life it's pretty much not feasible for me to support or use the device so take that as you will.
HORRORSHØW
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hyped. can't wait to read all the hands-on impressions later today.Saw a couple of other slides on Game.Impress.
The Castle seems to be inspired by Mont St Michel - very cool!
A slightly better photo than I've seen elsewhere of the PS3 GoW demo:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140319_640418.html
useyourfist
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Glad it finally out in the open, and i cant wait for some hands on impressions! I will be in the shop day one to pick one of these up.
Im just wondering though for people who have used Rift is the pixel fill rate a significant problem that ruins the experience, like ghosting on 3d for example? as this is the only thing that i am worried about as i cant stand stuff like that, crap graphics are fine but artifacts that shouldnt be their drive me mad lol.
Im just wondering though for people who have used Rift is the pixel fill rate a significant problem that ruins the experience, like ghosting on 3d for example? as this is the only thing that i am worried about as i cant stand stuff like that, crap graphics are fine but artifacts that shouldnt be their drive me mad lol.
I don't get the negativity either. Its not PC versus consoles.
As Sony described in their slides, "VR is not a peripheral, its a platform itself". This means that it isn't a
I think oculus described it perfectly in that they stated that they welcome another big player like Sony into the VR space, it means there is interest and drive to push the technology forward. and It looks like Sony is no dummy and did their homework, they came to the same conclusions on how to best create a compelling VR device (most likely shared ideas and tech behind closed doors)
Console VR can push the concept of VR to a broader audience, and in turn, the cutting edge of PC can push VR on the technological front. this isn't a fight, its a sparring match trying to improve both players and VR in general.
VR is here to stay and change more then gaming. Its a whole new digital media that goes beyond games, the focus is immersion.
You will have things like, virtual tourism, where you can walk around on the moon or on mars, you can walk around in all kinds of wonderful breathtaking scenery, only limited by your imagination.
Want to experience walking around in an esher painting, its possible.
Want to float in zero G trough space like in gravity, its posible
Want to watch sports like you are on the best seat in the house? its possible
Want to dive in the deepest oceans, or climb to the highest mountains, its possible
Want to experience the thrill of flying, or jump in impossible roller coasters, its possible.
Want to be confronted with your fears like arachnophobia or fear of height, its possible.
VR can change so much and not only in gaming.
As Sony described in their slides, "VR is not a peripheral, its a platform itself". This means that it isn't a
I think oculus described it perfectly in that they stated that they welcome another big player like Sony into the VR space, it means there is interest and drive to push the technology forward. and It looks like Sony is no dummy and did their homework, they came to the same conclusions on how to best create a compelling VR device (most likely shared ideas and tech behind closed doors)
Console VR can push the concept of VR to a broader audience, and in turn, the cutting edge of PC can push VR on the technological front. this isn't a fight, its a sparring match trying to improve both players and VR in general.
VR is here to stay and change more then gaming. Its a whole new digital media that goes beyond games, the focus is immersion.
You will have things like, virtual tourism, where you can walk around on the moon or on mars, you can walk around in all kinds of wonderful breathtaking scenery, only limited by your imagination.
Want to experience walking around in an esher painting, its possible.
Want to float in zero G trough space like in gravity, its posible
Want to watch sports like you are on the best seat in the house? its possible
Want to dive in the deepest oceans, or climb to the highest mountains, its possible
Want to experience the thrill of flying, or jump in impossible roller coasters, its possible.
Want to be confronted with your fears like arachnophobia or fear of height, its possible.
VR can change so much and not only in gaming.
Saw a couple of other slides on Game.Impress.
The Castle seems to be inspired by Mont St Michel - very cool!
A slightly better photo than I've seen elsewhere of the PS3 GoW demo:
Plus a slightly different angle on the set itself:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20140319_640418.html
great find