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Project Morpheus - Sony VR headset prototype - unveiled
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It's little past 4AM there. Showfloor "gates" will probably open in 9AM, first reports will come after that.
Yes, but it will feel weird. VR is all about mimicking real life, meaning that your "head" needs to control only your head. Nobody has a gun glued to their heads.Head movement and arm movement need to be decoupled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH3v2VrCZ9Q
PS Move in a plastic gun [or one-two barebones PS Moves] and aim with that.
Yea, now I see it probably wouldn't be so cool. However I would give it a try, just because of the possible accuracy.
geordiemp
Member
You're shouting at clouds here, arguing about something that no one is even talking about. What's wrong with you mate? You are trying desperately hard to start some VR fanboy war. It's quite sad
It all started when I said I was pumped for Ps4 VR, and someone asked me why I had not been pumped for Occulus.
I stated that I did not consider Occulus at all for various reasons, and have spent 10 posts defending my 'missing' the Occulus offering and if its mainstream or not.
Whatever, I don't care, I consider and buy consumer electronics form large companies...that's it..
Doesn't the fact that they've achieved exactly the same results as Sony make you consider them a little more seriously? I mean, if they did the same thing with much less, doesn't that make their feat pretty impressive, and bode well for the future of the company?
My opinion on the 'VR war' is that Sony needs to allow their device on PCs. If they do, I think they've got an edge. If they don't, I'd go with Oculus. Assuming of course that both delivery high quality experiences, which I think they will.
EDIT:
Oh, so don't worry guys, he'll have on Oculus in 2 years.
You know, I've never been interested in Spider-Man games before but I would totally go for this. Web slinging in VR would be really awesome.
They did mention that in the link...
So basically Oculus isn't concentrating on audio. hmm
guys, lets be honest.
add-on products to a console are rarely supported due to low percentage of consoles owners having the accessorie.
to be a success this needs to get in homes asap. i have a question for you.
- how does this product needs to be sold? (bundled with camera? game?)
- how much should it cost?
remember, for it to succeed, this needs to get in home FAST!
add-on products to a console are rarely supported due to low percentage of consoles owners having the accessorie.
to be a success this needs to get in homes asap. i have a question for you.
- how does this product needs to be sold? (bundled with camera? game?)
- how much should it cost?
remember, for it to succeed, this needs to get in home FAST!
I find it interesting that Sony are calling this a platform, not a peripheral. This language could indicate they are considering PC support for their platform. Or it could not.
I'll be surprised if they do. It's feasible technically and from a developer relationship standpoint, but I think that would be quite a dubious gamble financially. The unit margins alone are probably too small to support their entry into the PC market. It wouldn't be just a matter of releasing a Windows driver and the PC platform moves faster than they allow Playstation to.
It's an area we've not seen Sony operate in before, and I can't help thinking that every dollar spent on PC support is taking away potential profit from their playstation platform, where they are the absolute rulers, have a captive audience and take a nice slice of everything sold.
The only reason I can see for them to 'gift' this platform to PC, would be to exploit its developer base in order to generate momentum for their HMD platform. If this is their strategy, they would have to eventually make PS4 Sony VR games more attractive somehow than PC Sony VR games.
I'll be surprised if they do. It's feasible technically and from a developer relationship standpoint, but I think that would be quite a dubious gamble financially. The unit margins alone are probably too small to support their entry into the PC market. It wouldn't be just a matter of releasing a Windows driver and the PC platform moves faster than they allow Playstation to.
It's an area we've not seen Sony operate in before, and I can't help thinking that every dollar spent on PC support is taking away potential profit from their playstation platform, where they are the absolute rulers, have a captive audience and take a nice slice of everything sold.
The only reason I can see for them to 'gift' this platform to PC, would be to exploit its developer base in order to generate momentum for their HMD platform. If this is their strategy, they would have to eventually make PS4 Sony VR games more attractive somehow than PC Sony VR games.
One reason I think is the lack of support ATM, no one can launch a device without software for it. Another one I think is that they're walking on unexplored ground here and they don't want to fuck it up. They're probably trying to create a device that has legroom in it so they can retain the ability adapt to new trends that are very difficult foresee.
Callibretto
Member
I doubt it will be any accurate at all, it'll probably great to aim at general direction, but you have to move your head steadily to fine aim
They probably have their eye on a massmarket-friendly price point. I'm sure they could make a high-end, bleeding edge VR headset if they wanted to.
I have an unusually muscular neck.
No Seriously. I just want to try it before completely banishing the idea.
Seriously. I just want to try it before completely banishing the idea.I have only seen Trine 2 in 3D on the PS4. It looks gorgeous in 3D btw.
You're still going with this nonsense?
That's pretty much like saying you don't buy games from non-AAA game maker companies...that's it..
SecretAgentHam
Member
Oculus really needs to blow me away with their dk2 announcement, otherwise I am going to hold out on both. I need to make sure the morpheus works with my PC as well as ps4.I would hate to have to buy a second vr headset during the same gen
Callibretto
Member
Someone will make unofficial driver and make it work for Ocukus Rift games, just like someone make d4tool so you can use dualshock4 and it simulate 360 controller.
So sony dont even have to support it officialy and it will play OR games while Morpheus games will still be exclusive to Sony
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
They did the same with the PS4 last year. Get people talking about it, devs interested and full blowout of information at E3 a few months later.
If you're interested in VR, you without a doubt will buy several. This is only the beginning of the beginning, 1440p to 4K displays with 120Hz refresh rates, possibly even Gsync-like hardware in the device. That's where VR is going to be in 3-5 years, at least on PC.
Either they wanted to have an affordable price point or they wanted to continue to disappoint you. I vote for the latter.
anonymous_abc
Member
I'm pretty sure this was on some leaked slied recently, so yea seconded.
Wait... there are 3D games on PS4? I'm still so bummed that Resogun wasn't even 3D. That just killed it for me.
Maninthemirror
Banned
They can do better. But it has to perform within the specs of the ps4.
PJV3
Member
The Western version would be a Playboy mansion game where you are Hugh Heffner.
The collectors edition would come with a silk dressing gown and a blow up doll, £95.
You can pump your cable TV through the HMZ, a device the Sony's already on a 3rd revision.
That's not what the morpheus will be used for. VR is completely different then just watching shit on a screen in your face.
fixed and of course
SolidusDave
Member
Not as accurately to be convincing/reliable I would assume. Skeletal tracking works (e.g. Playroom robots recognize if you wave at them) but is limited.
Though if you have a Move controller in your hand, it would be tracked 1:1.
Like in those augmented reality Move games, in which they overlay a tool/device over the lightbulb of the Move. Just much more convincing because of VR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50aAfEFZJMg
geordiemp
Member
There is no war between console and PC. They 2 are very separate markets in my opinion (although some people play everything)...
I have no idea why people keep throwing Occulus stuff around in this thread, it is not relevant. Go make an occulus thread about whatever they are doing, please.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
There are Oculus games that use 3D positional audio over headphones.
And I'm convinced that there's no actual audio hardware in Morpheus outside of a headphone jack... that they're just finally going to be exploiting the existing PS4 audio hardware (TrueAudio, DSPs, and GPGPU)
it depends on the games
Popup
Member
Move would show where your hand was and would work well in dark environments but if the camera can face track and there have been body tracking games (of a simple nature) on PS Eye before, surely it would be possible to roughly track an arm with just the camera?
Edit:- NVM; a post dealing with this has appeared as I was typing my response
GDC are for the devs, E3 are for consumers, they have to show them to devs if they want games to be made for it
This is what Ive been waiting for Sony to announce.
I got an XB1 on launch instead of the PS4, mainly because I felt the xbox had more "next gen" features on it. To where as the PS4 was more like a high powered PC (something I already have).
But this VR.. this is what will make me finally clear out my shelf space for PS4 only. This is something you cant get anywhere else.
I got an XB1 on launch instead of the PS4, mainly because I felt the xbox had more "next gen" features on it. To where as the PS4 was more like a high powered PC (something I already have).
But this VR.. this is what will make me finally clear out my shelf space for PS4 only. This is something you cant get anywhere else.
At this point, there is no doubt in my mind that the consumer Rift will drop before this does.
You can on your high-powered PC that you have.
Unveiling it because they want to get developer support at GDC is exactly what they should have done. It isn't ready to unveil to the public.
Actually, the Crystal cove has a diagonal FoV of 110, the same as their first devkit, their horizontal FoV is 90
edit: I see they are kinda twisting their own specsheet comparison in their own article
No VR solution out there has 2 full 1080 screens.
I am a bit disappointed, I did expect them to have at least one significant hardware difference to the Rift (either because it's really better or just because of pride). I guess the "Luckey/Carmack design" for VR headsets is just the most feasible option for consumer VR at this point by a huge margin.
They explicitly said that's the point. It's also the reason for the Rift DK1 and their presentations, as well as why Valve showed their prototype.
Steam even has a legacy mode you can use to play most games on a virtual screen in VR, and navigate the interface in VR. Valve is pretty good at providing a consumer software platform for VR considering that there isn't even any product yet.
The one huge cost factor on these things is the panel, everything else is comparably minor IMHO.
Yes. It's questionable though if you'd want to do that rather than a Rift, considering software support (on PC) and HW quality. We'll have to wait until we know a lot more about the latter.
Oculus put VR on the map, and the design we are dealing with here seems to be basically a Rift. It's also the only other company in the VR hardware business. Of course it is highly relevant. Also, one "c".
They need to show it to developers to get games. It's really quite simple.
TheRealTalker
Banned
saw the GOW VR demo online
very low quality though
very low quality though
The FOV debate is happening because most of the time with HMDs FOV is represented by the diagonal FOV (it's a higher number, so naturally a higher number looks better on a spec sheet).
People assumed the 90 degrees was the diagonal FOV because of this, and gave Oculus the edge here. In the end, they are both essentially the same.
I do wonder if Sony essentially copied the Rift. If you look at the slides they showed of their internal prototypes from 2010 and 2011, they are basically just HMZ's.
People assumed the 90 degrees was the diagonal FOV because of this, and gave Oculus the edge here. In the end, they are both essentially the same.
I do wonder if Sony essentially copied the Rift. If you look at the slides they showed of their internal prototypes from 2010 and 2011, they are basically just HMZ's.