Freeman
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I was referring to the move and DS4 controllers.
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GDC Expo: hands on impressions/media of Project Morpheus (Sony VR)
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Turin Turambar
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About the last point... it reminds me of something I wanted to comment after Carmack tweet.
It's true that PCs can be more powerful than a ps4, and the Rift in the consumer version has the chance of being a 1440p screen at 90hz, being technically better. But, I wanted to give a warning: careful with the requisites.
Even not counting normal computers and only counting "gaming pcs" most people don't have a $2000 rig. They can't move modern games at super high resolutions with AA and stereo and stable 60fps. Devs will make games that the average gaming pc can move, they won't do a game just for 1% of the market. So don't expect super AAA graphics in the pc VR games while the poor peasants console gamers have to play with lowly 2006 era graphics.
PC games will also have somewhat "limited" graphics, the same as ps4. Just a bit less.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Ah, so would a higher FOV inherently lead to a worse screen-door effect? Sorry if that's a dumb question, or I totally got it backwards.
But then how would you know that you're in the future, man?
Freeman
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If it isn't Sony is being a dick, not only by not providing compatibility with PC but by holding back on the DS4 wireless drivers.
I think it is running on a PS4.
Maninthemirror
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That is the unanswered questions
efyu_lemonardo
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I am SO ready for this!
Just give me Dolphin emulator like graphics- by which I mean Wii quality assets with superior resolution, image quality and lighting- and I'm there!
Just give me Dolphin emulator like graphics- by which I mean Wii quality assets with superior resolution, image quality and lighting- and I'm there!
Freeman
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Didn't you received the memo that states that everyone that owns a PC can play anything at maximum possible settings? Just look at the statistics at Steam.
Impressions have been solid so far. Switch to OLED and get tracking inmproved and this thing will be awesome. My graphics expectations are similar to Carmack's but I'm expecting something more along the lines of if it was 720/30 on PS3 it'll be 1080/60/VR.
Considering that they're outputting to separate displays for people in line to watch, with a FoV suited for that display, as well as to the device, I doubt it.
That's true yeah, Steam has about 6.5M users with PS4 GPU performance or better. Assuming Rift CV1 is QHD/90Hz, you're going to need notably better than PS4 spec to really run it decently, but it's coming later, there could realistically only be about five million PCs on Steam that are ideal for the Rift at launch. But those people are really going to have good time.
iceatcs
Junior Member
That's right, if both (High vs low FOV) same screen.
To reduce screen-door effect need higher PPI.
geordiemp
Member
The kotaku article showed the hdmi splitter box splitting the signal from the Ps4...
bee
Member
plenty of PS4 games are developed on PC before they're up and running on dev kits. this is about the VR hardware and making a good impression. eve valkyrie is still very much in development and it's unlikely they'd slap together a full PS4 version just for this announcement and thief ran at (just about) 30FPS on PS4.
even if they're just running in house tech demos, they are going to want to give themselves every possible advantage. as i said, today is about the VR hardware rather than the engine which is supposed to be powering it.
Well then, I stand corrected. Good to hear.
useyourfist
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/19/project-morpheus-hands-on/
Good vid and write up, which claims its more like cc then dk1. Hype!!!
Edit-beaten by so much! Dont know how i missed that page
Good vid and write up, which claims its more like cc then dk1. Hype!!!
Edit-beaten by so much! Dont know how i missed that page
Yeah, the video is good, particularly if you want to see more of the Castle demo.
He suggests that the thing about a 'gap' at the bottom of the headset, between it and the face, may be addressable if the unit is adjusted properly. Maybe some people didn't have it adjusted for their head optimally. For a consumer version I guess Sony might make to want that easier or faster.
Betta Lines
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I believe it can also be reduced if the individual pixels fill out the grid better (so that there are smaller gaps) while keeping the same res/PPI.
I'm really starting to fear that this is not running on PS4
Maninthemirror
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SurgicalSlinky
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iceatcs
Junior Member
True, but you will still see the pixels.
Freeman
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Nice, thanks for that.I asked Shuhei Yoshida on Twitter and he said this:
Cool. Glad we got an honest answer.I asked Shuhei Yoshida on Twitter and he said this:
Can you ask him if you'll be able to by the VR headset with no camera?
useyourfist
Member
Yea i was worried earlier about the gap thing but it appears quite fixable, and like you say consumer one should be better. my main concern now is just screen door but that dont seem to bother people to much so should be ok.
JetBlackPanda
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I asked Shuhei Yoshida on Twitter and he said this:
So EVE and Thief is on something else?
Maninthemirror
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PC probably which means this can work on PC
iceatcs
Junior Member
No, it really doesn't.
SurgicalSlinky
Neo Member
I'm really hating where the VR conversation is headed now. Saw it coming but still a shame. Decades of garage baked enthusiasm are about to be undone by decades of... something else.
Wish they had a chance to demo the units in a quiet environment with some premium headphones. Would love to get a better idea of the early sound work.
Liabe Brave
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While VR certainly asks more of hardware than standard 2D, it doesn't require as much more power as a generational console leap. If current PS4 games needed to be "reduced" by, say, a factor of 4 to make them VR-ideal, that's still far from the ~8x improvement they are over PS3 games. Unless bound by budget/team size constraints, Morpheus games should all look better than the best PS3 games.
As a minimum, Morpheus VR should look about as good visually as Trine 2 on PS4, as that game is basically already VR-ready. (Note that I'm not saying the game would be a good fit design-wise for VR.) Valve's presence checklist is 1 megapixel per eye, stereo views, at 90+ fps. In 3D mode, Trine 2 on PS4 renders 2 megapixels per eye (supersampled due to HDMI limits), stereo views, at 60 fps. They'd have to raise framerate by 50%, but they would also cut resolution by 50%--not a simple tradeoff, but should be doable.
JohnnySasaki86
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Which if true kinda of discredits Carmacks comment. As Thief is a lot better graphics than PS3 while being 1080p to boot. Its 30fps though right?
That's not the full picture. Morpheus will run in a closed platform, no dev will release a game than can't run smooth in ps4.
But a AAA game on pc can have VR support. I can imagine the situation where cryengine, unity, ue4 and more will have oculus compatibility in an easy way. If you develop a vr only game for ps4 or pc, you wll limit graphics. But if you are making a graphics intensive multiplatform game in one of those compatible engines, only in pc version you will put a VR option. Surely that will not transform your game in a full VR experience like a VR only game, but in the end VR on pc can support a wide range of titles with different target specs.
NumberThree
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Developers won't suddenly stop implementing graphics options because they're doing VR. The "super AAA graphics" will still be available as much as they are now (which isn't very much, though...). And then of course a $500 PC in 2018 will be better than a $2000 PC now, while the PS4 will still be a PS4.
Yeah, I never doubted it until someone posted a rumor that they're only bundled earlier. Thanks for asking.I imagine you will be able to, if you already have the camera. But I'll ask anyway
Glorified G
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Hands on with 'The Deep'
Says it feels and looks similar to Rift. Surprised how good the graphics look on display.
Says it feels and looks similar to Rift. Surprised how good the graphics look on display.
Maninthemirror
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Two parallels . Rift is on pc and this is on ps4, do you expect both final products to fully support the other ?
dragonbane
Member
You should be able to. PS Camera is sold separately.
I never understand why people make these jumps to conclusions. Just because it's running on a PC doesn't mean it's not running in a development environment. Also, you would need to get whatever program they're using for tracking the lights for it to work properly.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
How so? Whats an area that Rift is superior in? Most impressions seem to suggest this is better. Higher rez, more comfortable, ect.
Yes. Generally larger FOV = larger pixel spread.
The resolutions are the same. The Rift benefits from being on a platform that gets more powerful every year and isn't closed. We'll see more content on the Rift than we will this simply because anyone can develop for the Rift.