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[Spinluck]

the tale of two halves.

of a thread.

 

[fernoca]

Tons of stuff happened, damn!
Sadly, things in general won't change unless people change.

Stuff like wall of shame from the Uncharted 3 review debacle (which wasn't the first or last time) should become the main picture of this forum; so those people get reminded of their shame every time they enter here and be careful about what they post.

 

[Tripon]

Mort updated his post:

I’m seeing this asked a lot in the GAF thread and on twitter. I can’t answer in one place for obvious reasons and it’s a bit long winded for twitter. The question is “You talked to Col’s friend last night and then this morning you decided to make a cheeky tweet?”

Yes. And I can understand why this doesn’t make sense to people but there’s more to it. What I got out of the conversation the night before with Col’s friend was that I was off the mark. He was very nice, he said my contacts were wrong, he’s known Col for years, he definitely left for “personal reasons.” Col’s friend *DID NOT* tell me last night that the reason he left was to take care of his sick child.

I also, as of this morning, felt like shit, but assumed that the rest of the world had moved on. That’s typically how these things going in the gaming world. Something is a burning issue for a day or so and it falls off the map. So I was just feeling like crap because I honestly felt bad. It was then I made the plan in my head to apologize to Col on the podcast this weekend with the whole video/voice/etc. I already mentioned up above that I didn’t know that Col had posted on GAF. What I didn’t mention is that I had no idea that Col had even heard about the post. I didn’t know that it was creating problems for him. I didn’t know any of that. What I knew is I thought one thing and was corrected by Col’s friend and I was going to apologize, visually, and give the link to Col’s friend and ask him to pass it along. I had no idea the reach that all of this had gotten at that point.

So not knowing any of that I made a cheeky post about not being a “GAF insider” anymore because of my own internal guilt, and it was cheeky because I didn’t realize there was anything happening that needed to be taken seriously. Because, honestly, if it was any other day of the year and and I made some proclamation that was dead serious that I wasn’t going to be a “GAF Insider” anymore would I not look like a stuck up cock? I tried to add a bit of levity to it. But I had no clue what was actually happening.

Col and I have talked. I have apologized publicly many times. He and I actually seem to be cool with each other now. I hate that this happened to him and I’m at fault. I feel like i’m going to vomit. It sucks. And, again, I’m sorry that I gave info that wasn’t true (not purposefully, but that’s not the point) and that it has caused you this commotion, Col. You are good guy and did not deserve this.

http://doddscientifics.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/a-bit-of-clarity/

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

I think of Dodd as a genuinely nice guy who just fucked up royal. I think it sucks for everyone involved and we should just let it rest. He was a pro-consumer kind of guy with no real agenda. I think he trusted his sources and made a bad error in judgement by talking about something that had no clear benefit beyond shutting up NEOGAF from wild speculation based on nothing. There is no need to apply some revisionist history to make him out to be anything more than that. I think we need to agree to move on from this quickly as it has been an embarrassment to Dodd, Neogaf, Col and anyone else affected. I don't want to prolong everyones suffering by talking about it for two weeks straight.

 

[JDSN]

Im surprised his blog is not banned, but then again im also surprised that his actual name isnt on the thread title edit rather than this handle.

 

[ultratruman]

Mort updated his post:

He's like the cartoon Coyote who won't fall until he looks down and sees that he's not standing on anything. He can update his blog all he likes; it's over for him.

 

[Yekshemesh]

Pete Stahp!!! Just fucking apologize for making that shit up about Col!! Stop fucking talking about scenarios and shit to make yourself look better, cause it's not.

 

[beast786]

I find it kind of hypocritical for people trashing mort because he trash about someone.

"Can we all just get along"

 

[ghst]

Mort updated his post:



http://doddscientifics.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/a-bit-of-clarity/

it's a shame that life doesn't have an edit button.

 

[Dr.Schlomo]

Mort updated his post:



http://doddscientifics.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/a-bit-of-clarity/

 

[UltraGunner]

This has been the most roundabout non-apology since Kanye apologizing to Taylor Swift.

 

[Kacho]

So not knowing any of that I made a cheeky post about not being a “GAF insider” anymore because of my own internal guilt, and it was cheeky because I didn’t realize there was anything happening that needed to be taken seriously. Because, honestly, if it was any other day of the year and and I made some proclamation that was dead serious that I wasn’t going to be a “GAF Insider” anymore would I not look like a stuck up cock? I tried to add a bit of levity to it. But I had no clue what was actually happening.

Oh please. This guy reveled in being a "GAF Insider".

How anyone can defend or like this guy is beyond me. He made a cheeky tweet because of his own internal guilt? I can't roll my eyes any harder.

 

[rrs]

Never seen that post before. Come across as a bit obnoxious there to say the least.

Why do people do this shit , it's a hobby, something that should be enjoyed. The politics and taking preferences too far is jarring .

I'm guessing the fame got to his head, as stated earlier in the thread.

Late to the party, but well it certainly put some questions to famousmortimer's "insider" status that many people is so firmly believing it.

Good luck to Col_Rodgers.

He did get some things but all rumors need to be verified with two sources here for very good reasons.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

what do you mean wtf?

Do you not see the lynch mob forming to go after the leakers?

Statham got banned for saying we still had thuway left.

When CBOAT got banned you had people pratically waving their dicks that the big bad leaker was banned.

It's insane.

C'mon, son. There's actual leakers and then there's a bunch of console warrior fuck-knuckles who happen to get obvious things right now and then, and use it to score internet points. GAF is a better place when fuck-knuckles get banned.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

There's a notorious Harvey Dent/Two-Face quote from a beloved Batman movie that I think is appropriate here: "Ah. Fortune smiles. Another day of wine and roses. Or, in your case, beer and pizza!"

 

[Colbert]

You know whats funny? We created Famousmortimer, CBOAT, Thuway, Proelite and all the rest of them. We hang on their every word and make 100 page threads on everything they say.

And if we are honest, did even one leak change a thing in our purchasing habits? People who wanted an Xbox one still got one. People who Want a PS4 are still going to buy one, VR/PS1-2 BC or not.

All we did was sqwable over nonsense.

Lets be real here. The reason people here love "insider" information is so we can act smug to our less informed friends and tell them games that they didnt know about were coming.

I said months ago that GAF needs a "no leaker" rule. Think you have some good juicy info? PM a mod. If the mod feels it worth sharing, they will share it. No fanfare, no opportunity for any company or individual to game the system.

Its getting the point that peoples lives are being affected. Just stop. I dont give a shit if generic videogame x is being developed or is in trouble or whatever else. If i see on the shelf and i think the released videos paint it in a good light, ill buy it. If its shit, ill just sell it.

If we are stop hanging on the words on "insiders" like babies missing a titty, nonsense like this can be avoided.

+1

 

[Razdek]

Pete Stahp!!! Just fucking apologize for making that shit up about Col!! Stop fucking talking about scenarios and shit to make yourself look better, cause it's not.

Yea no shit, he should just let it go and leave it behind him because his excuses are dumb. He messed up and trying to make himself sound sympathetic now.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I shouldn't but rolling here at that choice of gif

 

[ViewtifulJC]

There's a notorious Harvey Dent/Two-Face quote from a beloved Batman movie that I think is appropriate here: "Ah. Fortune smiles. Another day of wine and roses. Or, in your case, beer and pizza!"

Tommy Lee Jones was having the time of his life in that film

 

[Sydle]

well I did. Granted I didn't read the entire thread just the last 10 pages and I did see some users expressing that theyy were glad mort was banned for leaking wrong things.
Not that he slandered someone and it turned out false. That he leaked wrong things time and time again. To which point I saw someone mention CBOAT and then some users start mentioning thuway and verendus.

I don't remember the situation with Verendus. With the others, it's more about the way they've passed rumors and gossip as facts that didn't turn out to be facts, doubling down in some cases and turning out to be wrong. Personally, I'm glad many on GAF want a change of behavior from insiders who fail to show restraint and better judgement.

Again, there's a difference between discouraging posting behavior and calling for people to be banned. I didn't see the latter from numerous members.

 

[ProudCanuck]

You know whats funny? We created Famousmortimer, CBOAT, Thuway, Proelite and all the rest of them. We hang on their every word and make 100 page threads on everything they say.

And if we are honest, did even one leak change a thing in our purchasing habits? People who wanted an Xbox one still got one. People who Want a PS4 are still going to buy one, VR/PS1-2 BC or not.

All we did was sqwable over nonsense.

Lets be real here. The reason people here love "insider" information is so we can act smug to our less informed friends and tell them games that they didnt know about were coming.

Pete Dodd is a good guy. But over time, his star rose to the point where he began to believe his own hype. Had he quit while he was ahead (#PS4noDRM), we wouldn't be here now. He wouldn't be trying to get funding for a shitty site he has no clue how to run, people wouldn't Be baying for his blood and he would still have a gaf account.

And what did his leaks achieve? What did he actually tell us that was any use. What can you even remember him leaking. Not much.

I said months ago that GAF needs a "no leaker" rule. Think you have some good juicy info? PM a mod. If the mod feels it worth sharing, they will share it. No fanfare, no opportunity for any company or individual to game the system.

Its getting the point that peoples lives are being affected. Just stop. I dont give a shit if generic videogame x is being developed or is in trouble or whatever else. If i see on the shelf and i think the released videos paint it in a good light, ill buy it. If its shit, ill just sell it.

If we are stop hanging on the words on "insiders" like babies missing a titty, nonsense like this can be avoided.

Best and most important post on GAF in a long long time

 

[DaBoss]

Mort updated his post:

http://doddscientifics.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/a-bit-of-clarity/

WOW.

I also, as of this morning, felt like shit, but assumed that the rest of the world had moved on. That’s typically how these things going in the gaming world. Something is a burning issue for a day or so and it falls off the map.

Uh-huh. I think he would know very well how GAF typically operates, and it usually is not like that. It's been a growing trend for some reason of people leaving studios owned by Sony. And this thread is of Naughty Dog of all studios, one of the most revered studios, so it would definitely get attention for quite a while.

And then there is the fact that it contains a post by a certain "insider" with supposed info on what is going on regarding many of Sony's studios. People would try to dissect and understand the info given.

So I was just feeling like crap because I honestly felt bad. It was then I made the plan in my head to apologize to Col on the podcast this weekend with the whole video/voice/etc.

And then not attempting to immediately remedy that by posting on GAF that the info was wrong? He is aware that many people here on GAF think of his information as the truth or very close to the truth.

The way he is handling this is poor.

 

[Aquamarine]

WOW.

Uh-huh. I think he would know very well how GAF typically operates, and it usually is not like that. It's been a growing trend for some reason of people leaving studios owned by Sony. And this thread is of Naughty Dog of all studios, one of the most revered studios, so it would definitely get attention for quite a while.

And then there is the fact that it contains a post by a certain "insider" with supposed info on what is going on regarding many of Sony's studios. People would try to dissect and understand the info given.

And then not attempting to immediately remedy that by posting on GAF that the info was wrong? He is aware that many people here on GAF think of his information as the truth or very close to the truth.

The way he is handling this is poor.

Yeah...the guy is just digging himself a deeper and deeper hole with all of his lame excuses made an attempt to elicit sympathy.

 

[SniperHunter]

That's not what mortimer's ban message or EviLore's corresponding post said, but okay.

link to evilores post?

 

[Deleted member 22576]

That updated blog post...
"I had no idea that Col had even heard about the post.I didn’t know that it was creating problems for him. I didn’t know any of that. What I knew is I thought one thing and was corrected by Col’s friend and I was going to apologize "

He is literally saying: "I'm sorry you were offended."

 

[Berserker976]

Man, the hypocrisy levels in here are getting toxic.

The guy screwed up big time, and then apologized for it multiple times publicly and to the person he wronged directly, I don't think there's really any need for these personal attacks.

Aren't baseless character accusations kind of what kicked this thing off in the first place?

 

[Big_Al]

Man it's really sad to see Col actually having to come on here and defend his reputation when it was already stated, even a few days ago by dev friends of his, that it was for personal reasons.

Hope your wee lad is ok Col and all the best to you and your family.

 

[Kacho]

link to evilores post?

Here:

It's not an official retirement yet.

Now it is.

Mort stated on Twitter that he was permed for being a "faux insider" or something like that.

 

[Beefy]

GAF should just continue how it is. Mods verifying people they believe would know something. Then that person is able to post what they have been told or know themself.

Yes these 'insiders' as they get called will get stuff wrong and will be dealt with how the mods see fit when that time comes. But they will also get a lot right, which is one of the main reasons GAF is so popular.

Yes we will get the crazy fan boys (and girls) from all sides that can't deal with negative news for their chosen system moaning. But that's not ruin what most of us are really here for which is inside info that we could never get by are own.

 

[Yekshemesh]

Man, the hypocrisy levels in here are getting toxic.

The guy screwed up big time, and then apologized for it multiple times publicly and to the person he wronged directly, I don't think there's really any need for these personal attacks.

Aren't baseless character accusations kind of what kicked this thing off in the first place?

There's screwing up and then there's completely making up a story slandering someone's career. He still hasn't addressed that BTW, was he fed bad info or was this completely made up by him. All we get is a bunch of excuses.

 

[Laughing Banana]

This thread......

Is truly breath-taking in a way that it exemplifies why GAF is always a must visit every time I log on to the net.

There's screwing up and then there's completely making up a story slandering someone's career. He still hasn't addressed that BTW, was he fed bad info or was this completely made up by him. All we get is a bunch of excuses.

If the person being slandered himself, Col, has said that Mortimer has contacted him and the issues have been resolved between the two of them, what made you say this?

 

[Wizman23]

I'm not buying what he wrote in his blog. Sounds made up just like his claims that EA were begging forgiveness to Sony for not putting Titanfall on PS3/PS4, or the mystery email some executive from MS sent him about the whole nktrnl ordeal. Why would someone high up in MS even waste their time?

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Man, the hypocrisy levels in here are getting toxic.

The guy screwed up big time, and then apologized for it multiple times publicly and to the person he wronged directly, I don't think there's really any need for these personal attacks.

Aren't baseless character accusations kind of what kicked this thing off in the first place?

You lie like a bitch, you gonna die like a bitch.

 

[freenudemacusers]

I find it kind of hypocritical for people trashing mort because he trash about someone.

doesn't strike me as hypocrisy

 

[ProudCanuck]

Mort made a mistake with a rumor
Col presented why he really quit
Mort and Col talked and Mort apologized to the only person he really needed to apologize to, Col.

Mort doesn't have to owe an apology to each GAF member when he has already apologized for screwing up on his blog and most importantly when he already apologized to Col who has already accepted his apology. That should be the end of that. Right

But its odd to see people going after mort personally now that 'oh I knew he was a fraud' or ' he was taking donations for his own pocket money' and ' oh now he is lying more' really ?

 

[Valnen]

He's like the cartoon Coyote who won't fall until he looks down and sees that he's not standing on anything. He can update his blog all he likes; it's over for him.

So dramatic. It's not like he's going to die because of a ban.

 

[Jarmel]

You lie like a bitch, you gonna die like a bitch.

Fucking really?

 

[Razdek]

GAF should just continue how it is. Mods verifying people they believe would know something. Then that person is able to post what they have been told or know themselves.

Yes these 'insiders' as they get called will get stuff wrong and will be dealt with how the mods see fit when that time comes. But they will also get a lot right, which is one of the main reasons GAF is so popular.

Yes we will get the crazy fan boys (and girls) from all sides that can't deal with negative news for their chosen system moaning. But that's not ruin what most of us are really here for which is inside info that we could never get by are own.

Leaks are fine from vetted people but those leakers that like to bask in the glory of being one like Mort knows that they'll be highly criticized if they get a leak wrong. Maybe new leakers could be more like ntkrnl where they come in, give info and then remain silent without needing to be praised.

 

[Yekshemesh]

This thread......

Is truly breath-taking in a way that it exemplifies why GAF is always a must visit every time I log on to the net.



If the person being slandered himself, Col, has said that Mortimer has contacted him and the issues have been resolved between the two of them, what made you say this?

I'm talking about how he got the "scoop" on Col's leaving in the first place. Was it made up by him or was this bad info that was passed to him and he passed along

 

[Whipped Spartan]

Here:



Mort stated on Twitter that he was permed for being a "faux insider" or something like that.

If that is true it took a lot of integrity. I like GAF better when we don't create the news. I don't know Pete but I always assumed he laughed at the industry insider moniker because he knew he wasn't in the industry.

I consider an industry insider or leaker as a person who works in an industry. In this case devs or pubs.

 

[Loudninja]

Fucking really?

I think that is a joke

 

[Teriyaki]

That’s typically how these things going in the gaming world. Something is a burning issue for a day or so and it falls off the map.

Unbelievably naive or disingenuous. Especially for someone who's supposed to be a quasi-journo. Posters on this forum to this day still refuse to support EA over killing Bullfrog, Origin and Westwood for crying out loud. That was more than a decade ago.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Fucking really?

 

[freenudemacusers]

So dramatic. It's not like he's going to die because of a ban.

It's over, period. famousmortimer lost his last ace, and that's the end of his dodd scientifics hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for famousmortimer. famousmortimer has nothing left, nothing he can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any one, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in his speculation. Except if they want to read his twitter. Which will also come to dualshockers at some point.

The age of famousmortimer is done.

 

[Beefy]

Leaks are fine from vetted people but those leakers that like to bask in the glory of being one like Mort knows that they'll be highly criticized if they get a leak wrong. Maybe new leakers could be more like ntkrnl where they come in, give info and then remain silent without needing to be praised.

I'm not saying Mort doesn't deserve the backlash. The way he has gone about it us all wrong. I was more on about the people going on about how GAF should be a leaker free zone.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Amir0x we hardly knew ye.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

It's over, period. famousmortimer lost his last ace, and that's the end of his dodd scientifics hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for famousmortimer. famousmortimer has nothing left, nothing he can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any one, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in his speculation. Except if they want to read his twitter. Which will also come to dualshockers at some point.

The age of famousmortimer is done.

Nice eulogy.

 

[imtehman]

It's over, period. famousmortimer lost his last ace, and that's the end of his dodd scientifics hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for famousmortimer. famousmortimer has nothing left, nothing he can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any one, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in his speculation. Except if they want to read his twitter. Which will also come to dualshockers at some point.

The age of famousmortimer is done.

amazing

 

[RedRedSuit]

It's over, period. famousmortimer lost his last ace, and that's the end of his dodd scientifics hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for famousmortimer. famousmortimer has nothing left, nothing he can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for any one, hardcore or casual, to substantively invest in his speculation. Except if they want to read his twitter. Which will also come to dualshockers at some point.

The age of famousmortimer is done.

Haha.

If his buddy/buddies inside game company/companies don't decide to abandon him (e.g., they might be his actual friends), they may continue feeding him tidbits, and he may continue posting that stuff on his Twitter and, therefore, like you said, N4G/wherever.

Gamers are desperate enough for any leak to flock right back to taking his info to heart.

No doubt, his reputation is now in the pooper, but to say that no one will ever listen to him again... yeah, no. Not how the Internet (in all its fickleness) works.

 

[Omega]

I think it's still distasteful, especially when taken out of context. I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers that aren't "in on the joke" that ends up asking something like, "Druckmann? TLoU guy? What did he do?"

Like me. I tend to ignore 90% of GAF so I have no idea what its supposed to mean