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[pieatorium]

I'm very confident PS4 will eventually outsell Wii U and all that.

But the idea bandied about that PS4 would somewhat easily outsell PS3 I find increasingly unlikely.

I havent seen that bandied about? seen some questioning if it might be possible but easily outselling?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

You and basically 1 other person are the only ones who seem to think that idea is "crazy."

No.

More like me and one other person are the only people to reply to your prediction and call it crazy.

But the idea bandied about that PS4 would somewhat easily outsell PS3 I find increasingly unlikely.

I've never seen anyone say easily?

 

[schuelma]

I havent seen that bandied about? seen some questioning if it might be possible but easily outselling?

Look, I really do not have the time to try and look through a ton of pre-launch threads, but I remember a decent amount of posts thinking PS4>PS3 would be pretty easily done.

 

[Nibel]

If Sony were smart, they'd throw some money at Konami to nix or delay the ps3 version of TPP in Japan.

Look at GZ numbers

 

[pieatorium]

Look, I really do not have the time to try and look through a ton of pre-launch threads, but I remember a decent amount of posts thinking PS4>PS3 would be pretty easily done.

I dont remember any and also don't have the time to check.

 

[sörine]

But the idea bandied about that PS4 would somewhat easily outsell PS3 I find increasingly unlikely.

I'm not even sure if Vita will outsell PS3.

 

[saichi]

If Konami were smart, they'd refuse that money.

Konami is not known to be smart...

 

[Coxy]

If Sony were smart, they'd throw some money at Konami to nix or delay the ps3 version of TPP in Japan.

that would be lame, if sony were smart they'd have money invested in some actual exclusive games for the japanese market for ps4

 

[iori9999]

Dat Miku bump.. And well PS4, I guess you are going the way of PS3 in Japan.. Btw when do you guys see the PS3 hitting 10 million?

 

[cafemomo]

that would be lame, if sony were smart they'd have money invested in some actual exclusive games for the japanese market for ps4

They should invest more in SCEJ

 

[Kid Ying]

I dont remember any and also don't have the time to check.

There were. Some people expected the ps4 to get the other parts of the last gen market since there was no competition from the Wii anymore.

Of course that there was a possibility that this could've happened, but when nintendo tries much harder to please that old audience and fails, the ps4 wouldnt won those people just for existing.

 

[antibolo]

that would be lame, if sony were smart they'd have money invested in some actual exclusive games for the japanese market for ps4

I don't think Sony cares about Japan anymore. The PS4 is an entirely Western focused console, with next to no Japanese engineers involved in its development.

 

[Jamix012]

No.

More like me and one other person are the only people to reply to your prediction and call it crazy.



I've never seen anyone say easily?

If you read my post, you'd see I never predicted the Wii U to outsell the PS4, infact I did the opposite. I just acknowledged the possibility that the Wii U could potentially outsell the PS4 in Japan, and that most people who don't have a sony-based agenda can see that it is definitely a possibility.

You missed my point. Most of these games are irrelevant when considered individually. However they show that the industry is moving on the PS4. Slowly, but surely.

I disagree that it shows that at all. So far the only conclusion is that the big names that benefit from western sales are moving across and nothing else. When a glut of 3rd party "mid tier" games appear (like Lily Bergamo) then we can say that for sure. As strange as it sounds, the Vita might be the biggest obstruction in the way of the PS4s success, as that's where a lot of these mid-tier games are going now. The 3DS and iOS obviously get their fair share too.

 

[mankoto]

As for Vita what surprised me the most (though kinda expected also) was Hakuoki.

Spoiler

I had a feeling it'd bomb pretty hard

So those female gamers are indeed moving from PSP to Vita.
(Those people are quite reluctant to move to new platform).

Oddly enough it appears to be that they are the ones buying PS4s right now.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/04...n-but-sony-wants-to-stay-true-to-core-gamers/

 

[illmatic19]

Didn't Miku do like 150k on Vita the last time?

 

[Nirolak]

Didn't Miku do like 150k on Vita the last time?

If you add the launch sales of the PS3 and Vita game together it's basically identical to the launch sales of the first Vita game, which implies that it's mostly the same audience and that the PS3 version got some rebuying going.

 

[Darius]

If you add the launch sales of the PS3 and Vita game together it's basically identical to the launch sales of the first Vita game, which implies that it's mostly the same audience and that the PS3 version got some rebuying going.

What was the logic behind the comparison with Project Mirai instead of its direct predecessor on the same systems?

 

[miku]

Where's Yabai Ninja Gaiden Z? Didn't Inafune says he could help saving the Japanese game industry?

 

[Mr Swine]

If you add the launch sales of the PS3 and Vita game together it's basically identical to the launch sales of the first Vita game, which implies that it's mostly the same audience and that the PS3 version got some rebuying going.

But it's missing an additional 70k from the PS3 version that released later after the Vita version. Doesn't that mean that Diva 2 could sell worse than diva 1?

 

[Nirolak]

What was the logic behind the comparison with Project Mirai instead of its direct predecessor on the same systems?

cw requested it.

But it's missing an additional 70k from the PS3 version that released later after the Vita version. Doesn't that mean that Diva 2 could sell worse than diva 1?

Almost assuredly. I'm suggesting that much of that 70K may have been people repurchasing the game and then this go around just going with whichever SKU they liked more.

 

[Mory Dunz]

If the Wii U and PS4 do poorly in japan, I'm not sure it matters who "wins" to be honest.

That being said...ps4 will have more support and games over the next few years than the U so it'll pick up like the ps3 I think.

 

[cw_sasuke]

cw requested it.

And thanks for it.

Looks like Sega won't change their strategy I'm the near future, 3DS will probably be good enough for another Mirai game and the next main game will be on Vita/PS3 I guess.

When it comes to Japan and the performance of consoles in general, the question is when the next big device is hitting and for which market they are going. For the 4DS - when will it be released and how long will Nintendo keep the 3DS around. If 4DS or the next Sony portable has the possibly to display games in a comfortable way on the big screen, home consoles might become a niche in Japan.

Looking at the release list it seems that many J-devs are fine with developing on systems with Ps3 level hardware.

 

[bigmit3737]

It seems the PS3-Vita combo is hitting it's stride . I wonder if this is going to continue next year.

I wonder how the same software released onthe PS4 Vita PS3 combo will fare.

 

[jroc74]

The Wii U lives...

Nice bounce back for that and the 3DS.

 

[antibolo]

F 2nd has this promo where the retail copy of the game comes with a rebate code for the digital version on the other console. I bet they're doing lots more digital sales of the game than usual. So the game may actually have sold better than the previous one.

 

[DaBoss]

The system will pick up steam once the library gets better. Japan doesn't buy hardware on the promise of future good games.

It's clear some Japanese gamers do buy hardware on the promise of future good games because otherwise the PS4 wouldn't be selling right now with its small library.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Still no Deep Down release date?

PS4 needs that game in Japan.

 

[Tripon]

Still no Deep Down release date?

PS4 needs that game in Japan.

I honestly don't know how Japan would take a F2P game. Is it even going to be sold at retail?

 

[leatherhat]

I expected Miku to be less on each system due to the same day release but I had higher hopes than this. Though hopefully with vita's far better position than when the first released legs will be much stronger.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

I honestly don't know how Japan would take a F2P game. Is it even going to be sold at retail?

Judging from Puzzle & Dragons they're pretty ok with them.

 

[Thorgal]

I honestly don't know how Japan would take a F2P game. Is it even going to be sold at retail?

Honest question :Why is Deep down being a F2P game hold as a negative to it's sales potential in Japan , when games like Puzzle and dragons have clearly shown that they are fine with it ?


But to answer the quoted post's question above :

Pretty much every game ,even if it is digital only in all of the west will get a retail release .
Deep down will almost assuredly get one too .

 

[Bruno MB]

But it's missing an additional 70k from the PS3 version that released later after the Vita version. Doesn't that mean that Diva 2 could sell worse than diva 1?

The PS3 port of Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA F sold 113.722 units in its first week (160.219 LTD). It is evident that Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd will fall short of its predecessor.

 

[Chris1964]

I dont remember any and also don't have the time to check.

I remember many.

 

[Tripon]

Judging from Puzzle & Dragons they're pretty ok with them.

Honest question :Why is Deep down being a F2P game hold as a negative to it's sales potential in Japan , when games like Puzzle and dragons have clearly shown that they are fine with it ?


But to answer the quoted post's question above :

Pretty much every game ,even if it is digital only in all of the west will get a retail release .
Deep down will almost assuredly get one too .

Because Puzzle and Dragons are on your phone that you can play for short bursts vs what is likely a game that is more similar to Dark Souls that will likely force you to sit down in your home for hours. We are talking very different experiences here.

 

[King Gilga]

I wonder how much effort MS is going to put into the xbone's Japanese launch now.

Do they really think they can do alright when both Sony and Nintendo couldn't?

 

[Jamix012]

I wonder how much effort MS is going to put into the xbone's Japanese launch now.

Do they really think they can do alright when both Sony and Nintendo couldn't?

I don't think they're that stupid. Honestly launching in Japan looks to accomplish maybe only not completely alienate Japanese devs.

 

[SmokyDave]

Because Puzzle and Dragons are on your phone that you can play for short bursts vs what is likely a game that is more similar to Dark Souls that will likely force you to sit down in your home for hours. We are talking very different experiences here.

I think PSO2 does fairly well. The retail Vita SKU certainly outperformed expectations in 'ere.

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

I think PSO2 does fairly well. The retail Vita SKU certainly outperformed expectations in 'ere.

SmokyDave, is it ok if I call you Dave?

Look Dave, some of us are still coping with the lack of PSO2 here in the west. Don't bring it up unless you're seeking to reignite some hurt feelings around these parts.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I dont remember any and also don't have the time to check.

It happened when we argued about competition, PS4 has the home console market all for itself, while PS3 had Wii as competition.

 

[LordOcidax]

And how would that attract PS£ userbase.

I prefer the Wii user base.

 

[Days like these...]

Look, I really do not have the time to try and look through a ton of pre-launch threads, but I remember a decent amount of posts thinking PS4>PS3 would be pretty easily done.

Psycho_Mantis being one of the main ps4>ps3 proponents but let's split hairs over whether it will outsell the ps3 easily or not so easily.

 

[SmokyDave]

SmokyDave, is it ok if I call you Dave?

Look Dave, some of us are still coping with the lack of PSO2 here in the west. Don't bring it up unless you're seeking to reignite some hurt feelings around these parts.

You can call me whatever you like, and rest assured I feel your pain. I still don't understand why we get two Miku games, a fucking Monkey Ball game, but no PSO.

 

[Takao]

I'm pretty sure PS4 has the PSEuro market on lock.

edit: But the PSEngland market ... *oops*

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

You can call me whatever you like, and rest assured I feel your pain. I still don't understand why we get two Miku games, a fucking Monkey Ball game, but no PSO.

miku 1 has the netgame song that includes PSO2 assets! they even thank the dev team in the credits. and yet you're still unsatisfied!?!?!!

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Psycho_Mantis being one of the main ps4>ps3 proponents but let's split hairs over whether it will outsell the ps3 easily or not so easily.

Yes that was and still is my prediction.

I prefer the Wii user base.

who cares what you prefer though. The argument in hand was where the PS3 based industry would go.

 

[Thorgal]

I prefer the Wii user base.

Those are gone and are not coming back !

 

[Days like these...]

Yes that was and still is my prediction.



who cares what you prefer though. The argument in hand was where the PS3 based industry would go.

I admire you for sticking to your predictions.

 

[vinnygambini]

04./08. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.11} (¥4.800) - 48.345 / 662.724 (+8%)

That's my baby! Going to be sitting in the million-club seller soon! So proud

 

[Sakura]

What do you want? A virtual harem? One girl is enough for one lone otaku!

They've been releasing the same game for years now. People are going to get bored. This new game is the same as the last just with a bit of extra content, most of which is not meaningful. Yet they want to charge 60 bucks for it. At least offer a 1000~1500 yen digital upgrade for existing owners or something.
If they won't add new girls to the game, then at the very least they need to add a ton of extra content and change the game up quite a bit.

 

[Road]

Prediction League January 2014 Results

Congratulations:
- twice to L Thammy, for winning by units and by mean error %!

BY UNITS                                   BY MEAN ERROR %                           
                                                                         
  1       48,943  L Thammy                   1    10.63%  L Thammy       
  2       71,405  DrWong                     2    11.89%  1st Course     
  3       85,383  sörine                     3    13.95%  sörine         
  4       96,405  ZhugeEX                    4    16.84%  Yeshua         
  5      114,057  Orgen                      5    17.93%  astrogamer     
  6      118,475  hiska-kun                  6    18.25%  Bruno MB       
  7      121,057  1st Course                 7    18.73%  DrWong         
  8      121,405  astrogamer                 8    18.82%  Orgen          
  9      128,405  KuwabaraTheMan             9    19.33%  Aquamarine     
 10      140,405  Fisico                    10    21.79%  ZhugeEX        
 11      141,057  Bruno MB                  11    23.36%  metalslimer    
 12      147,057  Kenka                     12    26.38%  Frodo          
 13      171,121  Aquamarine                13    26.52%  KuwabaraTheMan 
 14      172,725  Yeshua                    14    28.66%  hiska-kun      
 15      185,123  Frodo                     15    29.14%  Fisico         
 16      201,057  MasterSheen               16    29.41%  XDDX           
 17      204,405  metalslimer               17    32.28%  Kenka          
 18      207,057  XDDX                      18    32.60%  Road           
 19      225,501  Road                      19    38.96%  Jamix012       
 20      226,553  Jamix012                  20    39.90%  MasterSheen    
 21      238,057  bakman21                  21    43.71%  Kaworu         
 22      240,405  Kaworu                    22    44.60%  ZSaberLink     
 23      256,057  ZSaberLink                23    47.28%  bakman21       
 24      266,405  Gianni Merryman           24    50.03%  baekshi        
 25      312,057  baekshi                   25    50.29%  Gianni Merryman
 26      422,475  CANLI                     26    52.11%  CANLI          
 
 
0                                       |FAMITSU  |ZSaberLin|sörine   |L Thammy |baekshi  |CANLI    |Bruno MB |bakman21 |Frodo    |astrogame|Yeshua   |MasterShe|Gianni Me|Kaworu   |Orgen    |Jamix012 |Kenka    |hiska-kun|DrWong   |KuwabaraT|Road     |metalslim|ZhugeEX  |XDDX     |1st Cours|Fisico   |Aquamarin|Media-Cre|Dengeki  
[WIU] Hardware                          |    95074|   100000|   106564|    70000|   120000|   140000|   135000|   155000|   137137|   110000|   100000|   130000|   160000|   150000|   129000|    92000|   115000|   140000|   120000|   145000|   155555|   109000|   135000|   135000|   100000|   135000|   114267|    85224|    85590
[3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe               |   371965|   250000|   328745|   380000|   220000|   610000|   275000|   265000|   245245|   300000|   240000|   260000|   260000|   265000|   311000|   243000|   335000|   400000|   350000|   335000|   222222|   247000|   340000|   245000|   280000|   310000|   249343|   353291|   360121
[PS3] Sengoku Basara 4                  |   157326|    75000|   177878|   170000|    60000|   290000|   155000|   128000|   160160|   180000|   190000|   150000|   210000|   205000|   147000|   180000|   100000|   178000|   160000|   185000|   155555|   220000|   165000|   130000|   135000|   169000|   132456|   176313|   167089
[ALL] Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z        |    53160|   100000|    63281|    50000|    91000|    60000|    55000|    95000|    66666|    65000|    50000|   100000|    90000|    84000|    62000|   125000|    86000|    78000|    75000|    67000|    66666|    56000|    70000|    66000|    55000|    80000|    57596|    53093|    53847
 
TOTAL ABS. DIFF.                        |         |  256,057|   85,383|   48,943|  312,057|  422,475|  141,057|  238,057|  185,123|  121,405|  172,725|  201,057|  266,405|  240,405|  114,057|  226,553|  147,057|  118,475|   71,405|  128,405|  225,501|  204,405|   96,405|  207,057|  121,057|  140,405|  171,121
MEAN ERROR %                            |         |   44.60%|   13.95%|   10.63%|   50.03%|   52.11%|   18.25%|   47.28%|   26.38%|   17.93%|   16.84%|   39.90%|   50.29%|   43.71%|   18.82%|   38.96%|   32.28%|   28.66%|   18.73%|   26.52%|   32.60%|   23.36%|   21.79%|   29.41%|   11.89%|   29.14%|   19.33%
 
STATISTICS                              |  FAMITSU|  GAF_AVG|      MIN|      MAX|    UNDER|     OVER|  CLOSEST BY      
[WIU] Hardware                          |   95,074|  124,559|   70,000|  160,000|       8%|      92%|   92,000 Jamix012
[3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe               |  371,965|  298,714|  220,000|  610,000|      88%|      12%|  380,000 L Thammy
[PS3] Sengoku Basara 4                  |  157,326|  161,848|   60,000|  290,000|      42%|      58%|  155,555 Road
[ALL] Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z        |   53,160|   73,623|   50,000|  125,000|       8%|      92%|   55,000 Bruno MB

Shameful month for me.

I never tied this before, but I ran the results with Media Create and Dengeki to see how it would go:

BY UNITS                                   BY MEAN ERROR %                           
                                                                         
  1       31,778  Dengeki                    1     5.16%  Dengeki        
  2       47,578  Media-Create               2     6.89%  Media-Create   
  3       48,943  L Thammy                   3    10.63%  L Thammy

Expected, but L Thammy almost beat Media Create by units. =P