Kamina
Golden Boy
The lying part kinda specifies on the false advertising, that continues on even now, of the advertised areas. Which are Forest of the Fallen Giants, Aldia's Keep and Drangleic Castle with Looking Glass Knight Boss.
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Dark Souls II - Graphics Comparison - PC Preview
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Psycho_Mantis
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Retrospectively, it was decided that the beta was of a higher graphical quality than the final game. Its harder to tell in that area since its dark and only a few sources of lighting. I haven't personally seen comparisons in that area so I was just going off what people said.
Still my point stands:
Demo with gameplay written on it is shown on reveal.
Mirror Knight demo is released on game shows with the same graphical fidelity months before release.
Game comes out with downgraded visuals in above areas. Comparisons made, downgrade confirmed.
EDIT: in response to yours; sure you don't but the differences are far more clear to everyone when direct comparisons are held.
I bought DS2 from a friend. This way I'm having fun and not supporting them
Wow. Just look at you go.
Tee-hee! Joke's on From!
Again, I don't want to be that guy, but some of you can not be for real...
jacksepticeye
Member
Well some one takes the ridiculius cake
I dunno, because they are liars according to you? strange that the "punishment" only applies to DSII. I thought that you wouldn't support From again going by your posts but I guess Demon's Souls 2 being a PS4 exclusive and all is gonna be too good news to still remember and bring up that From "lied to us" about DSII.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
This thread is becoming quite hostile.
KCroxtonJr
Member
Why is it ok for you to specify those areas, but not for anyone else to specify the screenshots and videos of the final game footage?
To me the argument has always been they flatout did not even try to inform us of the downgrade, when in reality it was shown to us, regardless of how clearly it was shown to us.
I think my trolling and inability to read has been transferred to you. I'm really sorry.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I dunno, because they are liars according to you? strange that the "punishment" only applies to DSII. I thought that you wouldn't support From again going by your posts but I guess Demon's Souls 2 being a PS4 exclusive and all is gonna be too good news to still remember and bring up that From "lied to us" about DSII.
herp derp its because they lied to us on DS2. I just said if they do the same with Demons Souls 2 then I will buy it used.
-MD-
Member
Bro can you even read.
I bought DS2 from a friend. This way I'm having fun and not supporting them
You're still indirectly supporting them by giving your friend money after he already gave them money.
DrROBschiz
Member
Back to going in circles i see
The Reveal/Demo footage clearly was the scrapped original vision for the game
Time to accept that it no longer exists for Dark Souls 2 and move on.
Hopefully you guys hammered home the feedback enough for Bamco/From to Notice
Would love them to actually hit that target someday.
The deed is done and there is no more sense in disparaging what is still an awesome game even though its not the Next Gen souls game we were teased.
The Reveal/Demo footage clearly was the scrapped original vision for the game
Time to accept that it no longer exists for Dark Souls 2 and move on.
Hopefully you guys hammered home the feedback enough for Bamco/From to Notice
Would love them to actually hit that target someday.
The deed is done and there is no more sense in disparaging what is still an awesome game even though its not the Next Gen souls game we were teased.
I dunno, because they are liars according to you? strange that the "punishment" only applies to DSII. I thought that you wouldn't support From again going by your posts but I guess Demon's Souls 2 being a PS4 exclusive and all is gonna be too good news to still remember and bring up that From "lied to us" about DSII.
It only takes a second to figure out that boycotting a company for eternity is a stupid idea.
The whole point is to show that you don't appreciate their behaviour w.r.t DS2. Why would you boycott them if they did things right in their next game? If anything you would buy it to show that you appreciate that product over the one you didn't buy.
Dick Justice
Banned
Hmm Fromsoft made 2 of the best games if not THE best single player games this generation with immense amount of content, amazing gameplay, level design, subtle story telling, amazing bossfights and innovative multiplayer.
While most other developers make "fast food" single player games with simplistic gameplay that are shorter and boring with tagged on mulitplayer.
Now From made DS2 almost twice the size/content of DS and it is set to be again one of the best games you can even buy. But people will boycott DS2 because of a scraped lighting engine that produced to much bugs or hurt the peformance to much to be implement in the final game?
There are many things in the videogame industrie that you can boycott but choosing one of the only developers left that still produces long lasting high quality amazing singleplayer and some of the best games ever is kind of ... well strange priorities is all i can think of.
While most other developers make "fast food" single player games with simplistic gameplay that are shorter and boring with tagged on mulitplayer.
Now From made DS2 almost twice the size/content of DS and it is set to be again one of the best games you can even buy. But people will boycott DS2 because of a scraped lighting engine that produced to much bugs or hurt the peformance to much to be implement in the final game?
There are many things in the videogame industrie that you can boycott but choosing one of the only developers left that still produces long lasting high quality amazing singleplayer and some of the best games ever is kind of ... well strange priorities is all i can think of.
DrROBschiz
Member
PC may have been the lead development
But the entire game was (at some point) built under the conditions of supporting last gen consoles.
IT sucks that the PC version suffered as well but thats likely do to them developing ONE game instead of two.
Why didn't they complete the original vision and THEN downgrade to consoles?
Money/Time and it makes sense to focus on the Console version since it promised the highest sales
It is crazy to see how far things were cut and how long it took for them to show the Actual final game.
The hard truth my be that the assets shown in the Demos likely never existed for the entire game.... which means they would have to almost build the game again to deliver on that original vision
This is all speculation of course. I REALLY wish we had an inside look at what actually happened over there
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I can understand them taking out the lighting because the lighting would have produced what is essentially 2 different games, but there is no reason to stuff lower res textures in the pc version
He's lowering supply for used copies of Dark Souls 2, which will make more people buy Dark Souls 2 to sell it again. Duh.
-MD-
Member
Me and my friend have played the game (2 people) for the price of £40 ( 1 copy).
Oh god I laughed.
Sorry, for whatever reason I assumed your friend bought a PC copy and sold it to you. In my defense It's late and I'm a bit high.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Oh come on, the way they showed us the game was shady. They avoided the advertised areas and instead showed us new ones on which we had nothing to compare to. While i guess someone might have drawn the conclusion from said footage that the rest of the game might be looking worse, the advertisements and previews that were shown up until close before release were showing the exact opposite.
Hence the need for comparison. Only then you can really draw conclusions about the final outcome.
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DrROBschiz
Member
You are right
It doesn't make sense.... unless they are the only textures that were made and produced
We are thinking that the Demos were made very early in development but at some point what we now know as the actual game was a singularly developed property.
Basically what we have was what was made and all the stuff we saw before was scrapped not long after it was made.
Unless they have some crazy build sitting on standby this is the only explanation I can think of.
If you follow the conspiracy theories though it says that these quality assets WERE complete and they are being deliberately held back to be sold to us later. Im pretty confident that isn't the case.
herp derp From are liars, we shouldn't support a dev that lied to us!
until Demon's Souls 2 rumor is brought up then it's all excitement and OMG please! OMG!
The pc version absolutely had better textures. There have been comparisons that show this. Not all of them are great, but even graphical showcases such as crysis 2 had to have fan mods to improve the textures. Not every one is going to be lavished with detail.
Judging by high definition footage of the game running at 60fps,this is definitely the definitive version. It looks markedly better than the console release and runs super well, even on older machines.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Naturally, In that case it could be the difference in resolution though.Textures seem to be higher res:
Without speaking of some of the 'big' downgrade from the reveal, it's mostly quite a bummer to see 'simple' things like many torch apparently not casting light ( ie 30:21 of the giant bomb quick look ), I mean it's not like the engine doesn't have dynamique lightning for the player torch, bonfire and some specific torch.
By all mean it's seems like a decent port, but a port, not a lead version. But meh, I guess at least I'll be able to downsample it and still get a good framerate.
Luckily the new gen is here, is selling well, so their next project should probably be on them, DS2 will just be another 'victim' of a gen which lasted too long.
By all mean it's seems like a decent port, but a port, not a lead version. But meh, I guess at least I'll be able to downsample it and still get a good framerate.
Luckily the new gen is here, is selling well, so their next project should probably be on them, DS2 will just be another 'victim' of a gen which lasted too long.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wooooow you still can't understand.
FROM LIED TO US ON DKS2
Therefore only dks2 will be bought second hand. Are being dense on purpose?
Quite obvious that's a difference in texture resolution itself.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Kind of disappointing it basically looks the same, but on the upside it looks like it runs well which is the important part.
Not necessarily, just look at PC Dark Souls. Without Durante's fix the textures look exactly like the console version. I reckon if you could put DSII on an emulator with resolution options they wouldn't look all that different.
Kamina
Golden Boy
This was from footage that blew up the 720p image to the same size as the 1080p image. I'm sceptic if it's the actual texture res. that we see here.
Am I wrong for not being mad about a graphical downgrade? Dark Souls 2 is one of the best gaming values out there. I already have nearly 200 hours. So they got a little over themselves - it happens. Now if the game was crap and graphics were their selling point than it would be a different story. We love the Souls games for gameplay it brings, now how pretty it is. That said, Dark Souls 2 is still very pretty.
Seems extraordinarily obvious that the textures are higher res in the PC version. Like... it actually baffles me that people could think otherwise.
Kamina
Golden Boy
No, you're not. I'm not mad about it either anymore, I hope my way of posting makes the appearance like I am.
I just don't like when this thing is downplayed or when people who complain are displayed as silly in that regard.
It is obvious in a lot of screenshots, yes.
I just don't see it in the blue hood picture, as it is a 720 blown up next to a 1080.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I noticed this as well but according to a poster in this thread, it's a "legend" and simply tinkering with my television's magical gamma settings will make it look like the PC footage I've seen. He was kind enough to remind me that doing so isn't "rocket science" after all. I was very appreciative of his insight.
Yo what is this about 360 version framerate? Does that mean no unlocked framerate? That is a deal breaker for me (to get the game at full price).
edit: According to Giant Bomb it's at least 60fps, I can live with that I guess. It would still be odd if the game is frame capped though.
edit: According to Giant Bomb it's at least 60fps, I can live with that I guess. It would still be odd if the game is frame capped though.
Higgins113
Banned
Who cares what it plays like, the lighting is all that matters.
Not everyone is so sensitive to feel personally slighted by marketing and can recognize when we aren't qualified to speculate about the development process.
What we can do is evaluate the retail game itself, which is very true to the series both in terms of gameplay, content and visual highs and lows. The PC port by all accounts will be better than From's last attempt. If you prefer to make your purchasing decisions based off of emotional reasons as opposed to looking at the product for sale and deciding if it's worth your money that is your right, so long as you also realize that companies aren't our friends and lie to us all the time.
DrROBschiz
Member
Anyone know what the Japanese reaction has been?
I would hope at the very least the Japanese gaming press would bring this up in interviews in the future.
I am with many others in that I now accept the game for what it is but damn if I dont want them to make next gen souls a reality damn soon.
This was the last game that I wanted to see suffer in the transition to the new generation
I would hope at the very least the Japanese gaming press would bring this up in interviews in the future.
I am with many others in that I now accept the game for what it is but damn if I dont want them to make next gen souls a reality damn soon.
This was the last game that I wanted to see suffer in the transition to the new generation
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Welp, sub-10 dollar sale it is.
That visual downgrade is appalling, easily one of the most major in recent history. Those tiled textures are fucking gag-worthy.
It's depressing to see the amount of mental gymnastics and subsequent fervent defence this ridiculously deceptive tactic has gotten. Fanboys, yo.
Edit:
*See inital in-game gameplay footage*
*Expect the game to look like it*
*Somehow, this is now unreasonable*
I...just...can't. When the fuck did the quality of the footage shown in the initial gameplay trailer suddenly become so unlikely? When this footage was shown, where were all the FROM loyalists pointing out that such visual quality was not going to be reached in the final build? Why is it that such a point of view has only become popular now that game is released and the goalposts need to be moved?
Like I said, mental gymnastics.
That visual downgrade is appalling, easily one of the most major in recent history. Those tiled textures are fucking gag-worthy.
It's depressing to see the amount of mental gymnastics and subsequent fervent defence this ridiculously deceptive tactic has gotten. Fanboys, yo.
Edit:
*See inital in-game gameplay footage*
*Expect the game to look like it*
*Somehow, this is now unreasonable*
I...just...can't. When the fuck did the quality of the footage shown in the initial gameplay trailer suddenly become so unlikely? When this footage was shown, where were all the FROM loyalists pointing out that such visual quality was not going to be reached in the final build? Why is it that such a point of view has only become popular now that game is released and the goalposts need to be moved?
Like I said, mental gymnastics.
DrROBschiz
Member
We wish we knew seriously.
Clearly they backed off trying to hit next gen visuals and focused on delivering something easier thats comparable to the first games.
Somewhere along the line they chose an easier path to put the console development as the priority.
Im not saying PS3/360 couldn't theoretically deliver a game that pretty.... but clearly they couldn't or wouldn't commit to it.
jadedm17
Member
Its a complete change in style, and something they showed up until weeks before release.
We're used to bullshots at e3 or a year before release, but games take years to make.
To me, atleast, the rage comes from they had a completely different style game they were working on yet showed older footage.
I don't think supporting complete dishonesty is the way either.
Then again, this is the video game industry, its fucked from both ends.
DrROBschiz
Member
This should get clarified.
We had retail screens of the final game as early as TGS. They were posted in plain site on their Facebook page.
That said the marketing was super mixed up ans completely botched. They still have alpha screens on the official website.
They most definitely dropped the ball in all directions with regards to the visual quality.
Such a damn shame. If they had just kept their scope within the same confined as the first game while correcting the issues we had with the original (which is what they ended up giving us) then they would have avoided this mess.
The underlying game is solid and a true sequel to the original. Just not the stellar visual showcase they shot for in the beginning.
paperspace
Member
Textures optimized for 720p wouldn't just magically gain resolution because they're on a 1080p display. The blurry pixels would just become more distinct, like in that HD NDS thread.