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[DarkLordMalik]

I may be mistaken, but wasn't LR actually a good game? I thought I had heard that it was a major improvement from previoustitles.

Either way, I don't think a port of a well regarded game doing well is indicative of the future of the series.

Lightning Returns was one of the worst rated FF game, in term of its critical reception. It certainly wasn't any better.

 

[Metallix87]

Lightning Returns was one of the worst rated FF game, in term of its critical reception. It certainly wasn't any better.

My mistake, then.

 

[KtSlime]

I may be mistaken, but wasn't LR actually a good game? I thought I had heard that it was a major improvement from previoustitles.

Either way, I don't think a port of a well regarded game doing well is indicative of the future of the series.

Lightning Returns was one of the worst rated FF game, in term of its critical reception. It certainly wasn't any better.

I don't have a PS3, so I haven't played it, nor do I know anyone who has played it so I can't give my opinion, but Famitsu (which probably shouldn't be trusted greatly) gave it a 37, IIRC.

 

[Mory Dunz]

The fact that it wasn't a new game may have worked in it's favor. FFX was a very popular game, after all.

I disagree. A new mainline FF would sell more than a remake any day imo.

Unless it a remake with huge improvements that make the game almost unrecognizeable. Example being FF6 or FF7 being remade for PS4. FFXHD wasn't that level.
Even so, it'd still be comparable.

 

[Soriku]

I don't have a PS3, so I haven't played it, nor do I know anyone who has played it so I can't give my opinion, but Famitsu (which probably shouldn't be trusted greatly) gave it a 37, IIRC.

You can get it on 360 too.

 

[KtSlime]

You can get it on 360 too.

No need, if I ever get a new PS3 (after the price goes down, ¥24,000 is too rich for my blood) I might play it, but my 3DS and iPhone keep me more than occupied.

 

[saichi]

Making significant changes to the formula of any established franchise is bound to alienate some people. I don't know, I doubt FFXV will reach 1.5 million, I think it'll fall just short. I do expect KH3 to sell similar numbers too though.

so KH3 will sell better than KH1 and KH2 in Japan and become the best selling title in the series? that's some high expectation...

 

[Anth0ny]

Wait, people are expecting 1 million for Mario Kart?

NSMB U barely cracked a million, and that includes the bundles, right? I don't know if Mario Kart can reach a million even with a bundle at this point, honestly... especially if they raise the price on the SKU like they did in North America, lol

 

[Alrus]

Wait, people are expecting 1 million for Mario Kart?

NSMB U barely cracked a million, and that includes the bundles, right? I don't know if Mario Kart can reach a million even with a bundle at this point, honestly... especially if they raise the price on the SKU like they did in North America, lol

Well 3D World reached 500k unbundled afaik. It's not that far fetched to expect MK8 to do much better.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Wait, people are expecting 1 million for Mario Kart?

NSMB U barely cracked a million, and that includes the bundles, right? I don't know if Mario Kart can reach a million even with a bundle at this point, honestly... especially if they raise the price on the SKU like they did in North America, lol

I think people are expecting it to be bundled.

 

[ZSaberLink]

I disagree. A new mainline FF would sell more than a remake any day imo.

This is not necessarily the case. Look at OOT 3D vs. a Link Between Worlds. Sure, one is 3D and the other is 2D, but I don't think LBW is going to hit 600K+ sold. Does OOT 3D fit into that bucket of "completely remade into something unrecognizable"?

 

[Takao]

:dead at that monster hunter frontier pack doing sub 2k on wii u

why are they releasing that on vita

 

[michaelius]

:dead at that monster hunter frontier pack doing sub 2k on wii u

why are they releasing that on vita

Because Capcom - you need to use special logic they co-developed with SE and Konami to judge their decisions.

 

[Mory Dunz]

This is not necessarily the case. Look at OOT 3D vs. a Link Between Worlds. Sure, one is 3D and the other is 2D, but I don't think LBW is going to hit 600K+ sold. Does OOT 3D fit into that bucket of "completely remade into something unrecognizable"?

Hm, good point. The only thing I can think of is that maybe 3D Zelda inherently sells better than top-down?

But for Final Fantasy, I get the comparison. At the same time, ALBW doesn't have the hype of the "next main Zelda experience", despite being a great game. The handhelds seem to be seen as more secondary. So I don't know if it's the same level as a FFVX.

 

[Magicpaint]

I don't know but I also feel Mario Kart 8 could do big numbers; like bigger than what we're accustomed to for the WiiU but I don't have any real rationale behind that thought. I guess it seems like there's just more...hype? lol

Hm, good point. The only thing I can think of is that maybe 3D Zelda inherently sells better than top-down?

But for Final Fantasy, I get the comparison. At the same time, ALBW doesn't have the hype of the "next main Zelda experience", despite being a great game. The handhelds seem to be seen as more secondary. So I don't know if it's the same level as a FFVX.

That doesn't guarantee sales though? At least for Zelda. Console Zelda especially has been in the dumps for a while, and it's actually the handheld games that consistently put up good - great numbers these days (barring The Minish Cap),

 

[mrjohill]

:dead at that monster hunter frontier pack doing sub 2k on wii u

why are they releasing that on vita

Psh are they even releasing that on vita anymore? They have literally said nothing since that first reveal.

 

[Metallix87]

At the same time, ALBW doesn't have the hype of the "next main Zelda experience", despite being a great game. The handhelds seem to be seen as more secondary.

Wait, what? How can you honestly say that? Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds both had the hype of mainline status and critical acclaim.

 

[maxcriden]

Wait, what? How can you honestly say that? Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds both had the hype of mainline status and critical acclaim.

Critical acclaim, yes. But I don't think the handheld games, including those, have ever had the same level of hype or importance surrounding them.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

the more japanese focused games disappearing altogether would signal a bigger problem. you can't just keep removing variety to cater to an increasingly narrow market.

And this generation is far different from the last where that madness ran rampant. It may be large-scale J-game's savior, in fact...

 

[Takao]

Psh are they even releasing that on vita anymore? They have literally said nothing since that first reveal.

Capcom spoke about it in March. IIRC they said it'll share the player base with those on PS3 and PC.

Let's all hope Capcom isn't waiting for Sony to sign a marketing cheque for Frontier.

 

[heidern]

Mario Kart has no software competition on Wii U. Nintendo are also hyping it as their big game and will likely put a big push behind it. It's also the first big game since the launch really(NSMB U already attracted some Mario fans and so 3D World was diluted in impact). I think most likely between 750K-1M. If it creates some momentum in longer term hardware sales along with Smash then it could be a bit higher.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Capcom spoke about it in March. IIRC they said it'll share the player base with those on PS3 and PC.

Let's all hope Capcom isn't waiting for Sony to sign a marketing cheque for Frontier.

Yeh, let's hope not.

 

[theprodigy]

Since it's less than a week from Nintendo's fiscal report, let's play a game: how many shipments of Wii Us will Japan get for the quarter (and overall, two different categories)?

guesses are in multiples of ten thousands of course, closest one wins (there's probably gonna be ties everywhere for the former category, lol)

edit: actually I guess if you really want to you don't have to bet multiples of 10000, you probably aren't going to win though

 

[Mpl90]

Comgnet retail stores chain's preorder comparisons, as of May 2nd

[3DS] Yokai Watch 2 - 85pt + 66pt = 151pt

[Wii] Mario Kart Wii - 79pt
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 - 74pt
[WiiU] Mario Kart 8 - 75pt

[PSV] Persona 4 The Golden - 122pt
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl - 18pt
[3DS] Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth - 66pt

[PSV] Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 2 - 23pt
[PSV] Chō Megami Shinkō Noire: Gekishin Black Heart - 33pt + 13pt = 46pt

[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War - (TV Edition) - 50pt
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War 2 - (TV Edition) - 27pt

 

[shinra-bansho]

Since it's less than a week from Nintendo's fiscal report, let's play a game: how many shipments of Wii Us will Japan get for the quarter (and overall, two different categories)?

guesses are in multiples of ten thousands of course, closest one wins (there's probably gonna be ties everywhere for the former category, lol)

edit: actually I guess if you really want to you don't have to bet multiples of 10000, you probably aren't going to win though

It depends on the level of confidence retailers have in Mario Kart driving system sales and how early this effect on shipment orders would take place. There should have been enough in the channel from last quarter shipments to meet demand through the end of the fiscal year and through April.

[Wii] Mario Kart Wii - 79pt
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 - 74pt
[WiiU] Mario Kart 8 - 75pt

500K opening week confirmed. Possible if it managed a high attach rate, but I think the drop off would be much more rapid considering the small installed base.

 

[theprodigy]

500K opening week confirmed.

....not sure if serious

 

[L~A]

Comgnet retail stores chain's preorder comparisons, as of May 2nd

[3DS] Yokai Watch 2 - 85pt + 66pt = 151pt

[Wii] Mario Kart Wii - 79pt
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 - 74pt
[WiiU] Mario Kart 8 - 75pt

[PSV] Persona 4 The Golden - 122pt
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl - 18pt
[3DS] Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth - 66pt

Ah, pretty good numbers, especially Youkai Watch 2. Mario Kart 8 looks like it's going to have a decent opening... not making any predictions bcause I suck at predictions
Same thing for Persona Q, which numbers should get even higher real quick, as release is barely a month away.

 

[shinra-bansho]

....not sure if serious

Almost entirely not serious. There's a remote possibility that starving Wii U fans can drive it to no decline from the last entries though and give it a large attach rate, I guess. But we all know the comgnet caveat i.e. it means nothing overall.

I think it will end up similar to Double Dash as the most plausible outcome.

 

[Magicpaint]

Comgnet retail stores chain's preorder comparisons, as of May 2nd

[3DS] Yokai Watch 2 - 85pt + 66pt = 151pt

[Wii] Mario Kart Wii - 79pt
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 - 74pt
[WiiU] Mario Kart 8 - 75pt

[PSV] Persona 4 The Golden - 122pt
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millennium Girl - 18pt
[3DS] Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth - 66pt

[PSV] Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 2 - 23pt
[PSV] Chō Megami Shinkō Noire: Gekishin Black Heart - 33pt + 13pt = 46pt

[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War - (TV Edition) - 50pt
[PS3] Kamen Rider: Battride War 2 - (TV Edition) - 27pt

MK8 is still keeping up pace with both MKWii and MK7. That really bodes well for a healthy opening week. I mean it's the anomaly isn't it? Most of the WiiU versions of tent-pole Nintendo franchises have fallen way behind or even barely registered on Comgnet at this point

PersonaQ looks like it'll do probably do somewhere between what a real Persona game and a real EO game usually does (which is what I've thought all along myself)...though Millennium Girl did less than EOIV right? Also do you have comparisons for EOIV and SMTIV for the same timeframe?

Youkai Watch 2 is quite high already but I think we all know that's going to be quite huge now.

Ah, pretty good numbers, especially Youkai Watch 2. Mario Kart 8 looks like it's going to have a decent opening... not making any predictions bcause I suck at predictions
Same thing for Persona Q, which numbers should get even higher real quick, as release is barely a month away.

This would be true for the previous titles the current ones are being compared to. They're the pts obtained at a similar time before release.

 

[Chris1964]

First day sellthrough {2014.05.01}

Mario Golf: World Tour - 20%
Child of Light - 20%

 

[Metallix87]

Maybe MK8 can use some necromancy to bring up sales of other Wii U games?

 

[Chris1964]

01./00. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.04.24} (¥6.664) - 145.029 / NEW <82,58%>
02./00. [3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call # <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.04.24} (¥6.264) - 80.523 / NEW <55,72%>
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21./12. [3DS] Crayon Shin-Chan: Arashi o Yobu Kasukabe Eiga Stars! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.04.10} (¥5.119)
22./16. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 # <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.09.14} (¥5.990)
23./25. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800)
24./00. [PSP] Kuroyukihime: Snow Black # <ADV> (QuinRose) {2014.04.24} (¥6.480)
25./08. [PSP] Jyuzaengi: Engetsu Sangokuden 2 # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2014.04.17} (¥6.264)
26./19. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons Z <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2013.12.12} (¥4.400)
27./18. [3DS] Fossil Fighters: Infinite Gear <RPG> (Nintendo) {2014.02.27} (¥4.800)
28./00. [PSP] Chronostacia # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2014.04.24} (¥6.264)
29./09. [3DS] Detective Conan: Phantom Rapsody <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.04.17} (¥6.145)
30./00. [PSV] Imasugu Oniichan ni Imouto Datte Iitai! # <ADV> (GN Software) {2014.04.24} (¥6.458)
31./32. [3DS] Harvest Moon: Linking the New World <SLG> (Marvelous AQL) {2014.02.27} (¥5.040)
32./15. [PS3] J-Stars Victory Vs # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.03.19} (¥7.980)
33./29. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2013.10.10} (¥7.770)
34./20. [PSV] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva F 2nd <ACT> (Sega) {2014.03.27} (¥7.350)
35./00. [PS3] 2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2014.04.24} (¥6.804)
36./22. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2014.03.20} (¥7.600)
37./24. [3DS] Hero Bank <RPG> (Sega) {2014.03.20} (¥5.550)
38./38. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800)
39./30. [3DS] Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind <ACT> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.12.05} (¥6.090)
40./34. [WIU] Super Mario 3D World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.11.21} (¥5.985)
41./00. [360] Monster Hunter Frontier GG: Premium Package <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.04.23} (¥6.264)
42./23. [PSV] J-Stars Victory Vs # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.03.19} (¥6.980)
43./21. [PSV] Samurai Warriors 4 <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.03.20} (¥7.140)
44./27. [PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes <ADV> (Konami) {2014.03.20} (¥2.980)
45./26. [PS3] Dark Souls II <RPG> (From Software) {2014.03.13} (¥7.800)
46./33. [PS4] Battlefield 4 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2014.02.22} (¥7.665)
47./28. [3DS] Dragon Quest Monsters 2: Iru to Ruka no Fushigi na Fushigi na Kagi # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.02.06} (¥5.490)
48./42. [WIU] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.02.13} (¥5.985)
49./41. [PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. Full Boost # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.01.30} (¥7.980)
50./37. [PSV] Soul Sacrifice &#916; <ACT> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2014.03.06} (¥4.980)

Top 50

3DS - 19
PS3 - 12
PSV - 8
WIU - 4
PS4 - 3
PSP - 3
360 - 1

SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  ALL  |    631.000 |    461.000 |    894.000 | 14.099.000 | 16.051.000 |
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[BadWolf]

Lightning Returns was one of the worst rated FF game, in term of its critical reception. It certainly wasn't any better.

Meh, I'll play it and decide for myself later.

Ppl love to hate on FFXIII and XIII-2 but I really enjoyed them.

 

[TheChaos0]

Maybe MK8 can use some necromancy to bring up sales of other Wii U games?

I would imagine people might pick up some other Nintendo games with MK8, if they are getting a new WiiU, so it's not out of the question. I guess that depends on how much hardware can MK8 sell.

 

[L~A]

First day sellthrough {2014.05.01}

Mario Golf: World Tour - 20%
Child of Light - 20%

Ouch for Mario Golf. I wonder if it's simply Nintendo overshipping for the Golden Week or a legit bomba.

 

[BadWolf]

Ouch for Mario Golf. I wonder if it's simply Nintendo overshipping for the Golden Week or a legit bomba.

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

 

[Metallix87]

I would imagine people might pick up some other Nintendo games with MK8, if they are getting a new WiiU, so it's not out of the question. I guess that depends on how much hardware can MK8 sell.

That's what I'm thinking. Honestly, Nintendo better hope the game sells insane amounts of hardware, because the drought after until Smash is going to be rough.

 

[theprodigy]

Ouch for Mario Golf. I wonder if it's simply Nintendo overshipping for the Golden Week or a legit bomba.

hopefully 4 weeks from now you don't see:

First day sellthrough {2014.05.29}

Mario Kart 8 - 20%

lol

 

[vinnygambini]

Ouch for Mario Golf. I wonder if it's simply Nintendo overshipping for the Golden Week or a legit bomba.

I think it's simply a case of large shipments due to Golden Week.

Furthermore, Mario games tend to have low sellthroughs. It's all about dem legs.

 

[BlackJace]

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

When was the last Mario Golf lol?

 

[BadWolf]

When was the last Mario Golf lol?

No what I mean is them using the same few IPs and characters overall.

If ppl get tired of Mario in general then they will be in a lot of trouble, imo anyway.

 

[Magicpaint]

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

Ummm, it's a Mario game - first day sellthroughs are never that high, but they often gain pace during the weekends.

 

[Takao]

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

The world isn't that fair.

 

[BlackJace]

No what I mean is them using the same few IPs and characters overall.

If ppl get tired of Mario in general then they will be in a lot of trouble, imo anyway.

I don't think people really care, as long as the games remain mechanically different.

 

[michaelius]

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

People still buy Call of Duty so no.

 

[Scum]

I wonder if it'll be a good idea (lol) to drop the Mario name from some of these IPs?
Mario Nintendo All-Star Golf...?

hopefully 4 weeks from now you don't see:



lol

I thought I was seeing things. Chris, pls. lol

 

[Wynnebeck]

First day sellthrough {2014.05.01}

Mario Golf: World Tour - 20%
Child of Light - 20%

Sheesh. Mario got that double bogey.

 

[Road]

Any chance of ppl getting tired of them using the same few IPs over and over?

Any chance of ppl learning that a first-day sell-through of 20% for a Mario game means everything is fine?

Child of Light is the bomba, but that probably means 2,000 sold out of 10,000, so it doesn't matter either.

SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  ALL  |    631.000 |    461.000 |    894.000 | 14.099.000 | 16.051.000 |
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2 million down.

At this rate, it'll be 6 million down by the end of the year.

 

[wrowa]

I wonder if it'll be a good idea (lol) to drop the Mario name from some of these IPs?
Mario Nintendo All-Star Golf...?

I doubt that's the problem. Mario Golf was already on a downward spiral 10 years ago and the long time between releases apparently didn't help World Tour, either. (That is unless the reason for Mario Golf's weak 1rst day sales aren't low sales, but an enormous shipment)

 

[Graphics Horse]

Nobody's Golf.