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So, uh, the crazy buttocks on a train (CBOAT) is back?
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BRocknRolla
Member
That's true. Also, we've always been at war with Eurasia.
(It is truly stunning how short memory evidently is. At this rate, in another 6 months, no one will even remember there was a MS DRM scheme.)
BronsonLee
Member
When did they get around to telling us everything though? E3?
Because at the reveal it never came up, and it only came up in interviews after, IIRC?
You tried to be neutral but then fell off the wagon as you went along and just reacted like a MS apologist as you say.
Yes. I believe it was Keighley of all people interviewing Donny.
People seem to really have short memories. Did we all forget Adam Orth? That was in April (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=534951), right around the time the rumors started picking up steam. 2 whole month prior.
Read through my other posts in this thread, and then get back to me. What I'm saying isn't as crazy and revisionist as you may think it is.
I thought the Iron Man was a reference to Master Chief's new suit since Iron Man is famous for having tons of different suits. Now that people think the other guy is actually someone else, I think CBOAT is someone who saw the image and made his own conclusions. He might not be high up in the food chain.
Latvian Hitman
Member
No. The leaks had given us all a context in which to view MS's announcements when they started coming. They are what allowed us to read between the lines. They had set the stage for what would come at the May event and at E3. People were ready to rebel against what they were doing and when the official announcements came, that's what they did.
The big question about E3 wasn't even about what MS was doing- it was about whether or not Sony would follow suit.
You either weren't here a lot last spring or you weren't paying much attention.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Nah, I have a slant based on the current games this gen, but I've been a console agnostic since SEGA died. I feel CBoaT's agenda got pretty obvious.
Cornbread78
Member
Oh, it all makes sense now... It's been awhile since I saw that movie...
tfur
Member
Well, then bring that up with the management where is belongs. Directing it outward, when it only belongs inward, I honestly consider unprofessional... in m opinion.
I am not going to be buying into this air of chastisement about leaked information.
So if I decide somebody doesn't derve whatever, I can do whatever and karma bro? Or does this line of thinking only apply to bad stuff for Microsoft because Microsoft Sux?
Awesome statement. I can't point out what you're wrong about, but it's lots of stuff, and even when people are wrong I still believe them. So... theoretically I should agree with you but I haven't thought that far.
CBOAT has some value just as a source of noise (like any other random Reddit rumor that might end up being true), but has a clear agenda that taints all that. In addition to the actual non-leak statements he's made, the "news" only points one way. We don't hear about positive changes, we don't hear about games that are going well (and there are plenty, output recently has been good). This is obviously not a person connected to a feed that passes on what comes over, which is how it's being presented.
Then we have the dumbass bold statements that end up being completely wrong (how do you apperently see a snippet of a video of a person in a cloak and announce that a new Prince of Persia game is being announced?). That goes a little beyond "you say bad stuff for xbox so I not like you".
SeventhSon
Member
"Watchmen" /comic purist
That only works if you believe that Microsoft would have announced the details of their DRM in advance without the leaks. If no-one had known about their plans for DRM, they could have delayed announcing them until close to the launch, when it would be too late to change anything and people would have already made their minds up about which console to get. Leaking the information may not have helped MS but it certainly helped us.
Yes it is, because you're just creating an arbitrary distinction between forum leakers and those who leak information to games websites.
I think so. People were already in "fuck this shit" mode by the time we got details.
Again this is some revisionist history that cboat is negative all the time about MS.
Dead Rising 3 Exclusive
Black Tusk game
Titanfall Exclusive
Platinum game
Probably many more that I'm forgetting, but the Archive is not searchable.
There wasn't much to be positive about leading up the Bone launch.
Dead Rising 3 Exclusive
Black Tusk game
Titanfall Exclusive
Platinum game
Probably many more that I'm forgetting, but the Archive is not searchable.
There wasn't much to be positive about leading up the Bone launch.
Right. And you don't think they'd have done that anyway, even if there were no leaks before hand? If there were absolutely no leaks, and MS completely surprised everyone in May/June with the DRM announcement you think there wouldn't be any sort of backlash and MS would just go through with their plan?
As far as I'm concerned the exact same thing would have happened. Gamers would have reacted negatively and eventually forced MS to reverse their decision. So I'll say it again, in this particular scenario, leakers didn't do anything to help MS.
You can't seriously believe that though. There's only so much question dodging you can do. I really doubt they could have repeatedly dodged those questions from the press for five long months, especially with the amount of game events and road shows they were doing. Not to mention they would have had to tell the truth during one of MS's earning calls (which took place before the launch of the XB1).
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
He got his job back at MS, so it's all happy leaks from now on. That disgruntled MS employee is one of the silliest theories I've heard about Cboat.
BronsonLee
Member
Thanks to ya both. I knew my memory wasn't that terrible!
There wasn't a huge insider leak on DRM for Xbox unless you count Orth, but #PS4NoDRM is right there you know
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
I said he comes off that way. I never said I think he actually is a disgruntled MS employee. Everyone has their own theories about who CBoaT actually is and it's kind of fun to speculate. I don't mind negative leaks, but over the course of the past year most of CBoaT's leaks were negative. There were some positives in there (Black Tusk game looking good but behind schedule, possible digital resales etc...), but it also seemed like he was reluctant to leak that stuff. He also started to miss on stuff following the E3 blowout (which was almost spot on if I recall correctly).
I personally believe the "it's multiple people" theory controlling the account.
But the whole disgruntled MS employee talk was laughable.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Oh, so you're willing to acknowledge that there were leaks now? When this discussion started, you were claiming that there were none.
MS was not not very explicit or detailed when they first started releasing information. Most of the info we got out of them initially was from journos asking questions based on the leaks themselves. They were an integral piece of the puzzle. Forewarned is forearmed.
You were either here for all this or you weren't. Don't really know what else to say. It's too "meta" to just provide a link to it. Plenty of others who were here and actively participated in the ordeal last year have already posted in this thread.
Sillier than the MistermediaX theory that he is ekiM/GAF-mod who wants to "damage" MS reputation? That was crazy, even for him.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Maybe the disgruntled employee is one of the multiple people. Hehe.
The Ekim drama actually feeds the multiple people theory. That was crazy how MisterX was trying to damage Ekim afterwards, though. Kevin Dent was being a real douche too.
CaptainKILL
Banned
I don't think these insiders deserve the attention they are trying to get these days especially when all it takes is a bunch of hash tags to generate visibility of their latest conjecture from "anonymous sources". Anyone can make educated guesses, it's like psychics they leave just enough info for the blanks to be filled in by the listener then they go on to tell someone else or some publication and add their spin on it. This constant stream of hearsay is poisoning the industry and the fan base. I can't talk about what i'm excited about without first thinking whether i'm going to be "informed" of how wrong I am because some "industry insider" said something a while back and how they are more credible than anyone in the room. Can we please stop praising them so much they aren't doing anyone any good except for fueling fire.
Um no. I thought we'd already established that my "leaks" and your "leaks" are two different things. I used leaks in my post to refer to your leaks - i.e. rumours circulating in the press. I never once claimed that there were none of your leaks, I claimed that there were none of my leaks. This should be clear if you've read all of my previous posts
shacklesmcgee
Member
Woah, woah, woah, don't be rude....the word douche is much too good for Kevin Dent.
SeventhSon
Member
Browsing the last couple pages, it sounds like Historian-GAF needs to compile the sequence of events over the DRM from last year.
I was a lurker at the time, and I definitely remember the Sweet Billy tweets, Kotaku and CBOAT info coming out well ahead of any official MS source. The aftermath was game journos asking questions of MS reps, who acknowledged the DRM and Kinect info was true, but had no answers on how any of it really worked. There was the big double down by Mattrick (let them play Xbox 360), which led to the first big 180, likely prompted by early pre-order numbers.
I was a lurker at the time, and I definitely remember the Sweet Billy tweets, Kotaku and CBOAT info coming out well ahead of any official MS source. The aftermath was game journos asking questions of MS reps, who acknowledged the DRM and Kinect info was true, but had no answers on how any of it really worked. There was the big double down by Mattrick (let them play Xbox 360), which led to the first big 180, likely prompted by early pre-order numbers.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Latvian Hitman
Member
Um no. I thought we'd already established that my "leaks" and your "leaks" are two different things. I used leaks in my post to refer to your leaks - i.e. rumours circulating in the press. I never once claimed that there were none of your leaks, I claimed that there were none of my leaks. This should be clear if you've read all of my previous posts
Leaks were everywhere last spring, and came in all forms, shapes and sizes. A lot of those "rumors circulating in the press" started right here with some of the usual insiders. GAF>internet>GAF.
February 6, 2013
The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect
http://www.edge-online.com/news/the...hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/
I'm not going to go find all the gaf posts, but this was a debate for months before it was officially announced.
The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect
http://www.edge-online.com/news/the...hand-games-50gb-blu-ray-discs-and-new-kinect/
I'm not going to go find all the gaf posts, but this was a debate for months before it was officially announced.
Right, ok. Let's just say that I agree with you for a moment. And that yes, there were loads of insiders. Of both types
I still stand by my main point:I don't really see why we're even continuing to argue about the definition of an insider when that wasn't even my point in the first place. If you have nothing else to say with regards to my main point, that's fine, let's just move on and agree to disagree, because I'd rather not keep going round and round in circles discussing the definition of an insider.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
If one treats an answer to a question like it's still a question, then it's a question, dig?
Blargonaut
Banned
This thread is so inside... I don't understand this entire thread.
*quietly leaves through back-door*
*quietly leaves through back-door*
And just when I thought I couldn't possible think any worse about that guy. I somehow missed all this drama but was able to catch up quickly with a search.
Well whoever CBOAT is or isn't I always found him entertaining and he was able to get people excited like no others. There was some good times had thanks to him before the consoles launched. I for one hope he sticks around and shares info from time to time, but I've always seen him as more as entertainment and not to be taken very seriously.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Right, ok. Let's just say that I agree with you for a moment. And that yes, there were loads of insiders. Of both types
I don't really see why we're even continuing to argue about the definition of an insider when that wasn't even my point in the first place. If you have nothing else to say with regards to my main point, that's fine, let's just move on and agree to disagree, because I'd rather not keep going round and round in circles discussing the definition of an insider.
Actually, you're the one that tried to put leaks and insiders into different buckets. I don't really care to define the distinctions and am quite happy to lump them all together. Inside information is inside information. Leaks are leaks. We had quite a lot of all of it last spring.
As for your main point, which I understand to be this:
I disagree for the following reasons:
- MS wouldn't have completely surprised everybody in May/June. Even with the leaks flying around for months prior, they were intentionally vague about DRM, always online and the Family Sharing plans initially.
- The leaks were what empowered consumers and journos alike to question what MS was doing at the May event and at E3.
- Without that subtext, the hard questions wouldn't have started hitting in full force until after E3. The abysmal preorder #'s that led to MS' reversals may not have been as abysmal, as the public would not have been nearly so well informed in June as the leaks allowed them to be.
- MS came into E3 already knowing that people were not happy with the direction they were headed in. The quick turnaround in the week after E3 proved that plans were already in place to pivot on the policies, if necessary.
- None of this would have been the case if the May event and E3 had been everybody's first, vague taste of what MS was planning. It may well have been July or August by the time the furor had reached critical mass, and by then, they'd have been in serious trouble.
We can agree to disagree at any point you want. Can't really outline my thoughts in any more detail anyway.
...SPDIF?
My friend?
I suggest you go back a couple of pages, make a note of your original statements, then read your most recent posts.
Then let us know if the distance between the goal posts covers a small country.
You guys are going around in circles because you keep moving the goal.
My friend?
I suggest you go back a couple of pages, make a note of your original statements, then read your most recent posts.
Then let us know if the distance between the goal posts covers a small country.
You guys are going around in circles because you keep moving the goal.
BruiserBear
Banned
Can someone tell me what the image in the OP of this thread, and today's Halo 5 announcement have to do with one another?
SeventhSon
Member
Guardians
Neuromancer
Member
I wish Cboat had leaked that my Halo 4 game save would get corrupted while I was halfway through the campaign on Legendary solo.
That's true, I did. But you still continued arguing with me about it despite apparently not caring. Although that might have been more down to confusion (mainly because of my posts) than anything else.
Ok, and I suppose that's fair enough. That's what you believe, but I disagree. There's not much I can really say to that that I haven't already said. So yeah, I guess this is the point where we agree to disagree.
tfur
Member
Yeah. These are part of the known events and timelines that happened.
The public outcry caused them to give interviews answering to these issues. as well as making them create those faq web pages.
Also, saying "it would of been like this if" or "it would of been the same if", is nice to conjecture about, but the history is the history.
I mean, if you missed it, you missed it.
Edit:
Pours one out for the Dual gpu, 12GB rumor wielding Reiko...
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Now that kind of leak would make him praiseworthy.
I do? I'm sorry, but I can't see how. Could you show me how? Like maybe show a post where I'm blatantly contradicting myself or something? All I've said was that leakers didn't help MS reverse their DRM plans.
this is painful
Why? The arguing continued, but it was down to my posts. What would be painful would be if I blamed him/her for it. But I didn't.
Neuromancer
Member
If the choice is getting leaked information about a video game or system, or waiting for the companies responsible to reveal it on their own time (if ever), I will go with getting the leak every time. Even if it's sometimes inaccurate. I can see getting pissy about it if I were a developer, but I can't imagine it ever really affects the company's bottom line in a negative way. Unless a game or feature is cancelled, it all comes out eventually anyway.