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[Loudninja]

It's because it wasn't downgraded, it's just that some people like to spew bullshit or maybe where misled by the low quality footage.



Me too, but when you think about it, having all that shit hanging from you can be annoying while in combat.

The uniform still in the game.

 

[Matush]

I think it relates back to the conversation between Galahad and Sebastian about the stolen thermite rifle and "how did they end up with it"

It looks like it is directly after this scene since in the new video there is (at least what it looks like) first tutorial for thermite rifle.

 

[TsuWave]

I preferred the older uniforms from the previous build.

they said those uniforms are still in the game and will be used in different areas because they are ceremonial uniforms, the ones in the new build are infiltration uniforms

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Jesus! Can we please just talk about the ACTUAL game for a few pages.

It amazes me how obsessed this place is with graphics.

People lets focus on the actual gameplay for a bit please? Lets discuss the actual mechanics and not the aesthetics for a little while? OK?

 

[robertsan21]

they said those uniforms are still in the game and will be used in different areas because they are ceremonial uniforms, the ones in the new build are infiltration uniforms

Thanks for the info, I didnt know that

 

[kinoki]

I'm surprised by this thread. There has been no downgrade. It's only a minute or so of gameplay which seems to channel Resident Evil 4 by ways of Gears of War with fun weapons and a creative setting. It's all fine.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Also new gif for comparison, courtesy of Gearnuke.com:

I wonder how come they altered the uniform design?

The older design actually looked cooler and more consistent with the attire of a Knightly Order which the game portrays. The new design looks more like generic soldier garb,

they said those uniforms are still in the game and will be used in different areas because they are ceremonial uniforms, the ones in the new build are infiltration uniforms

Ahhhhh OK that explains that then. Good to know.

 

[Anos Voldigoad]

Jesus! Can we please just talk about the ACTUAL game for a few pages.

It amazes me how obsessed this place is with graphics.

People lets focus on the actual gameplay for a bit please? Lets discuss the actual mechanics and not the aesthetics for a little while? OK?

I'm confused, what is there to discuss? As many have stated before there are the detective features, the creatures gameplay, the world itself(as in London) hasn't been revealed, there are so many things being hidden from us for a SURPRISE reveal. In the end, this game is a TPS.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

Anyway, moving on to the gameplay, I REALLY hope they actually show us some of these more innovative, pioneering and unique elements to the gameplay.

They've mentioned a new type of cover system. A more intuitive and engaging melee system. Also we still haven't seen the combat against the voracious and pernicious monsters yet.

Where the hell is this stuff? Why haven't they shown this? Its this kind of thing that will set the game apart from its competitors.

 

[Salex_]

Jesus! Can we please just talk about the ACTUAL game for a few pages.

It amazes me how obsessed this place is with graphics.

People lets focus on the actual gameplay for a bit please? Lets discuss the actual mechanics and not the aesthetics for a little while? OK?

Did you watch the video? We haven't seen anything yet. Ask that question again on Tuesday if we get new videos that highlights some of the gameplay features like the crime investigation/exploration.

 

[K.N.W.]

I just hate all this downgradeaton trend.... Why people need to make such comparisons??? I mean, if differences are real and big (and the game has been released, along with a ton of footage), it's ok to compare it with previous footage, but cases like this and Infamous make me sick....
Click-baiting sites?? Fanboys hating the game beacuse it isn't on their consoles or pcs?? Someone who got his girlfriend cheating with a developer of said game??
PLEASE STAHP

 

[Goldrusher]

Also new gif for comparison, courtesy of Gearnuke.com:

Ouch. That's a massive downgrade.

 

[dr_rus]

Ouch. That's a massive downgrade.

Yeah, Twitch video compression downgraded the original footage a lot.

 

[Cave Johnson]

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

 

[mrqs]

I don't see any downgrade, just other clothes and other style.

If anything, those post-processing effects means an upgrade.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Ouch. That's a massive downgrade.

Not really. More appropriate uniforms, more artistic lighting and fog.

The old version looks harsh and overexposed by comparison.

 

[StuBurns]

Ouch. That's a massive downgrade.

Better lighting, better IQ, better shadowing, better character models. Nope, it's a significant upgrade.

 

[valkillmore]

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

Educate yourself. There is no 'uniform downgrade.' You're the one adding to the fire, not them.

 

[nib95]

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

The new screen looks much more realistic and atmospheric though. Computationally, it's probably doing a lot more no doubt. And the clothes haven't been downgraded, just swapped. The other uniforms are still in the game, so really there's no back fire at all. They'll show new gameplay on Tuesday and at E3 that will no doubt show the better visuals, the other uniforms and more etc.

I foresee lots of meals of crow being served.

 

[Ryuuga]

Instead of stating the improvements you guys should be asking people to point out the downgrades.

 

[gai_shain]

All you have to do is sit further away from your TV and those Twitch videos look HD.

Not sure If I can sit back far enough for that

 

[Nozem]

I didn't know it until just now but I really wanna shoot at a guy in a top hat so much.

The most important question here is: can you shoot the hat off his head without killing the guy? If so: trophy guaranteed.

 

[Freeman]

Why this obsession with downgrades even when apparently there isn't one?

 

[Cirekiller]

Why this obsession with downgrades even when apparently there isn't one?

Certain console owners want this game to fail.

 

[ICPEE]

The new screen looks much more realistic and atmospheric though. Computationally, it's probably doing a lot more no doubt. And the clothes haven't been downgraded, just swapped. The other uniforms are still in the game, so really there's no back fire at all. They'll show new gameplay on Tuesday and at E3 that will no doubt show the better visuals, the other uniforms and more etc.

I foresee lots of meals of crow being served.

Rather the nitpicking will increase. Oh this game will get picked to death come E3, thats for damn sure. Its bad now. It'll be worse then.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

GoW3/A had excellent CG style presentation too, great AA, high quality motion blur, incredible detail on kratos etc



This going to be a trophy surely: Shoot 10 top hats

One of them will be Spring-heeled Jack.

It will be the equivalent of Darth Vader's TIE fighter appearing on the Star Wars vector arcade game, you can't kill him and every tophat will have another tophat underneath, but you can keep snagging points.

who the heck is this?

It's probably the Lady of the Lake, or Excalibur in human form.

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

Do you declare 'Wife, fetch me my downgraded shoes!' when you swap your work boots for slippers at the end of a long day corrupting science?

 

[EL CUCO]

It looks like it is directly after this scene since in the new video there is (at least what it looks like) first tutorial for thermite rifle.

So basically we were shown the thermite tutorial on twitch.

ARRGGGHHHH GAME IS A GENERIC TUTORIAL!!!

 

[ICPEE]

One of them will be Spring-heeled Jack.

It will be the equivalent of Darth Vader's TIE fighter appearing on the Star Wars vector arcade game, you can't kill him and every tophat will have another tophat underneath, but you can keep snagging points.



It's probably the Lady of the Lake, or Excalibur in human form.



Do you declare 'Wife, fetch me my downgraded shoes!' when you swap your work boots for slippers at the end of a long day corrupting science?

Lol

 

[Chaostar]

The most important question here is: can you shoot the hat off his head without killing the guy? If so: trophy guaranteed.

Hat trick (bronze)
Shoot the top hats from three enemies in a row.

Love it

Also, silver trophies for brandy glasses and gold for monocle shots.

 

[Cave Johnson]

Educate yourself. There is no 'uniform downgrade.' You're the one adding to the fire, not them.

The new screen looks much more realistic and atmospheric though. Computationally, it's probably doing a lot more no doubt. And the clothes haven't been downgraded, just swapped. The other uniforms are still in the game, so really there's no back fire at all. They'll show new gameplay on Tuesday and at E3 that will no doubt show the better visuals, the other uniforms and more etc.

I foresee lots of meals of crow being served.

Do you declare 'Wife, fetch me my downgraded shoes!' when you swap your work boots for slippers at the end of a long day corrupting science?

Are you guys reading the same thread I'm reading? Because you're making it would like we've seen the equivalent of the GOW3 "upgrade" reveal and the UC2 E3 building sequence. The fact that we have to wait for E3 to prove "naysayers/eat crow" dissenters already proves that this was a bad marketing move, from the quality of the twitch the uniform "swap".

Tell me, if you were the PR for this reveal, knowing how the internet would react, is this how you will promote this game? I really don't see any marketing sense to have a bait-n-switch just so they can 1up the doubters. This is the polar opposite of the Sunset Overdrive reveal and it shows MS is actually playing their cards right while SONY is face planting in the mud. Sure, will Tuesday or the E3 prove us skeptics wrong? Maybe, but this isn't the kind of trail Sony wants to lead if want to showcase this game in the best possible light. Again, we will find out in the next 2 weeks and I'm betting this game is going to either wow or us or we're looking at the 2nd coming of Ryse.

 

[nib95]

Honestly, looks they added some more advanced colour grading, depth of field and post processing. There's also improved lighting and shadows, especially noticeable on and behind Isabeau.

You get a similar glimpse at such techniques from the Shadow Fall tech demo.

 

[travisbickle]

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

There's a mixed response to something someone put out on the internet, that's never happened before!!

 

[Sword Of Doom]

The fact that the developer has to defend the game goes to show how this marketing stunt backfired. So far, there's a mix between positives and negatives and from their last reveal, the "graphics" is all they've got; and that uniform downgrade - is an example how oblivious they are to how aware the community can be especially in light of the Watch Dogs/Dark Souls controversy. And now, they've added fuel to the proverbial "downgrade" fire.

Lol what is this post?

Are you guys reading the same thread I'm reading? Because you're making it would like we've seen the equivalent of the GOW3 "upgrade" reveal and the UC2 E3 building sequence. The fact that we have to wait for E3 to prove "naysayers/eat crow" dissenters already proves that this was a bad marketing move, from the quality of the twitch the uniform "swap".

Tell me, if you were the PR for this reveal, knowing how the internet would react, is this how you will promote this game? I really don't see any marketing sense to have a bait-n-switch just so they can 1up the doubters. This is the polar opposite of the Sunset Overdrive reveal and it shows MS is actually playing their cards right while SONY is face planting in the mud. Sure, will Tuesday or the E3 prove us skeptics wrong? Maybe, but this isn't the kind of trail Sony wants to lead if want to showcase this game in the best possible light. Again, we will find out in the next 2 weeks and I'm betting this game is going to either wow or us or we're looking at the 2nd coming of Ryse.

Seriously what are you talking about? For starters your comparing changing the uniforms of the characters to what happened with Ryse?

 

[onanie]

I hope one of the characters shouts "I think thermite be trouble brewing!" when that happens.

LOL

 

[onanie]

It can't be, it's set in Victorian London, not Greece.

Marcus Fenix is Italian??

 

[Ryuuga]

Are you guys reading the same thread I'm reading? Because you're making it would like we've seen the equivalent of the GOW3 "upgrade" reveal and the UC2 E3 building sequence. The fact that we have to wait for E3 to prove "naysayers/eat crow" dissenters already proves that this was a bad marketing move, from the quality of the twitch the uniform "swap".

Tell me, if you were the PR for this reveal, knowing how the internet would react, is this how you will promote this game? I really don't see any marketing sense to have a bait-n-switch just so they can 1up the doubters. This is the polar opposite of the Sunset Overdrive reveal and it shows MS is actually playing their cards right while SONY is face planting in the mud. Sure, will Tuesday or the E3 prove us skeptics wrong? Maybe, but this isn't the kind of trail Sony wants to lead if want to showcase this game in the best possible light. Again, we will find out in the next 2 weeks and I'm betting this game is going to either wow or us or we're looking at the 2nd coming of Ryse.

Despite all the uniform swap nonsense, I agree that they've done a poor job marketing this game so far. This footage seems to be a tutorial section after acquiring a new weapon, but given that--it's still an incredibly boring snippet of gameplay, not to mention an unusual time to show it. It's possible they showed us footage to drive hype and discussion leading up to E3. Well it worked, we certainly are talking about the game, unfortunately for all involved it's not overwhelming praise.

 

[DieH@rd]

Honestly, looks they added some more advanced colour grading, depth of field and post processing. There's also improved lighting and shadows, especially noticeable on and behind Isabeau.

 

[twobear]

I think this game would benefit from FEAR-levels of environmental damage, too. Bits of brick being blasted out of walls, smouldering dust being kicked up by the weapons, signs catching fire.

That, for me, would be 'cinematic', way more than just having really nice graphics and putting black borders on the game.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Jesus! Can we please just talk about the ACTUAL game for a few pages.

It amazes me how obsessed this place is with graphics.

People lets focus on the actual gameplay for a bit please? Lets discuss the actual mechanics and not the aesthetics for a little while? OK?

Well the thing is, we still know more about the graphics than the gameplay, and most people who have mentioned the gameplay have said....not nice things. Most of that is hyperbole on their part, tho.

It'll be difficult to talk about the game mechanics, level design, pacing etc. until people actually get to try the game themselves, but E3 is right around the corner, it should be playable there

Soft Edit: This thread is as close to a graphics whore I've ever gotten, and I don't consider myself a graphic whore at all. But seriously, this game is tops ATM for current-gen visuals, technically and artistically. RAD's done a great job in that regard.

 

[Its Quite Toasty]

I'm confused, what is there to discuss? As many have stated before there are the detective features, the creatures gameplay, the world itself(as in London) hasn't been revealed, there are so many things being hidden from us for a SURPRISE reveal. In the end, this game is a TPS.

Yup this is exactly what I thought, it's hard to have a discussion on something that you know almost zero about other than the basics.

 

[EightBitNate]

Have we argued about MP in this thread yet? Because I want to argue about MP.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

There's a mixed response to something someone put out on the internet, that's never happened before!!

A mixed response! Oh noes!

The poor NSA are going to have their work cut out sifting through this lot, I mean just who are the bad guys* here?





* NAMES REDACTED

Spoiler

Iwata's mob, obviously.

 

[twobear]

Well the thing is, we still know more about the graphics than the gameplay, and most people who have mentioned the gameplay have said....not nice things. Most of that is hyperbole on their part, tho.

What's hyperbolic, exactly?

 

[KalBalboa]

Why this obsession with downgrades even when apparently there isn't one?

Some people really like finding excuses to be disappointed.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Marcus Fenix is Italian??

He was actually named Marco at birth, but none of those idiots in Delta squad could pronounce it properly, so he changed it to Marcus.

What's hyperbolic, exactly?

I think he's talking about one of the weapons; The Hyperbolic Fuck-cluster* Projectile Cannon - that's the one that can destroy the pub signs when you've upgraded it fully.


* They have to use the name Cluck-fluster in Germany because they're easily offended by anything that's not hardcore pornography, or CS canisters.

 

[vpance]

Pessino is a bad ass, damn lol

http://youtu.be/Et2ACh21pOo?t=1m52s

 

[SDCowboy]

Ouch. That's a massive downgrade.

I hope you're either joking or just talking about the image quality of the stream. There was no downgrade...

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

What's hyperbolic, exactly?

C'mon, you've been in this thread for a while. You know what I mean.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Wow, looks great. But as expected, specular aliasing on metal surfaces is still present.

It looks amazing, can a higher multiplier of msaa fix this? Like instead of 4x msaa maybe 8x msaa? Game looks amazing either way.

 

[EGM1966]

Have we argued about MP in this thread yet? Because I want to argue about MP.

Game needs MP. Also windows need to be highlighted so people notice them and uniforms must be fancier at all times - can't look too good in a firefight.

Also Dick Van Dyke must provide the voice for every character.