Spurs are shooting 54% for the series, Miami 50%.
Spurs had one 45% game and two 59% games.
The heat have had a 51%, 52% and 47%
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2014 NBA Finals |OT| Some dude guarantees they will win it all.
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Spurs are shooting 54% for the series, Miami 50%.
Spurs had one 45% game and two 59% games.
The heat have had a 51%, 52% and 47%
Great point!
General statement with no real backing of evidence or fact. Again I'll ask since you can't seem to answer it. What do you want them to say? Especially after this loss?
That it was all on LeBron? He lost them the game? What exactly do you want them to blame him for? Giving up the 25 point lead? Not winning the game?
I seem to remember ESPN discussing LeBron and his shortcomings quite a bit during his Cleveland days. Even the first Miami season when Lebron had a bad finals at the end.
The thing is they never really rip into a player? Who would? And why? The Sportscenter anchors? The analysts who probably have no interest in building a narrative toting the company line and actually care about discussing ball?
What faults are they ignoring though? You can't even bring them up. What is ESPN supposed to do? Paint the 4 time MVP and back to back champ negative for what fucking reason?
And the reasons they "cover" him is simple. RATINGS. Its about the money. Lebron brings in viewers. So they cover him no matter. They turn each debate topic about him. His legacy. Lebron v Kobe. Lebron v MJ. Lebron as GOAT or top 5 all time.
I just don't get how people don't understand this. Its about the ratings. They do the same with no talent scrubs like Tebow. Why? You think they care about Tebow or his religious following? Or that they think he can play? No its because dude is a lightning rod.
ESPN is # 1 for a reason. They do the same with Manning, Brady, Woods, Tebow, did with Kobe and will do forever with whoever gets them ratings.
TNT has to do 1-2 hours of NBA coverage at a time. And even then they slurp Lebron because just like most logical people they break down the game and don't view him or the team through the lens of someone who already dislikes Lebron. Show me where the inside the NBA guys say something radical about Lebron. They all compliment the shit out of him and call him the best now and one of the best of all time.
But back to the point. ESPN has like 4 channels with 24/7 programming. They have countless debate shows, a radio market, and sports as their only subject matter. TNT does Inside the NBA and that's it. They can cut the BS and get to the points. ESPN has to come up with shit to get people to tune in.
Tragicomedy
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A hell of a lot more than 100 fans vacated their seats tonight, though. By the final whistle the stadium was at least a third empty, maybe half.
Interesting. I thought Miami fans loved LeBatard. Or maybe they only post his rants when they are directed at other teams like the Pacers. Truth hurts, I guess.
Miami is a shit town for sports though. We know this. All the sports franchises struggle even the Dolphins. But you said the front row in LA. Miami fans get grouped collectively especially for the Heat.
Hell I have left Eagles games early when its a blowout because fuck it I get pissed, I need to vent, and drive home angry.
It only bothers me because NBA discussion on this board is rarely ever about the game itself. Its about legacy as if each and every game is a statement game. Especially for Lebron and especially when they don't win.
Or its about the fanbase and how they suck. Or the refs and the rigging.
The Spurs were having a melt down when Wade cut it under single digits. Pop just saw handled it in time.
Miami played crappy for large chunks of the game, but it has to come back on LeBron. Wade was out there going ham, then LeBron comes in and just. . treats it like another day at the office. Falling down like that in the finals is just embarassing. Gtfo with that, man up.
Pop will coach rings around Spoelstra all series. That isn't changing.
Miami played crappy for large chunks of the game, but it has to come back on LeBron. Wade was out there going ham, then LeBron comes in and just. . treats it like another day at the office. Falling down like that in the finals is just embarassing. Gtfo with that, man up.
Pop will coach rings around Spoelstra all series. That isn't changing.
ryutaro's mama
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Never thought I'd meet a ESPN Defense Force member but there's a DF for everything I suppose.
And LOL @ the false equivalency with TNT "slurping" LeBron too.
Oh I almost missed where you said Kobe gets equal treatment. Oh lawd...ok, you got me bro.
Troll almost successful.
Lebron fans are often just as guilty of the legacy shit as non-lebron fans.
In my roundup of over the top posts there were 3 or 4 posts I passed proclaiming Lebron was proving himself as one of the greatest players of all time, the true MVP, all time great etc. etc. Heck we had a page long discussion of heat fans arguing that James is basically the GOAT.
MiamiWesker
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That was an old fashion beat down. I got to witness one of the greatest first halfs of basketball I have ever seen a team play, it was ridiculous. But hey the Heat showed heart, they could have easily packed it in but they fought and fought. There are only so many stupid mistakes you can make, too many open 3s you can miss, too many horrible turnovers, before it just becomes impossible to come back. The Spurs are not a team to let up, every tiny opening we gave them they made us pay for it.
Chalmers holy shit. Lebron was playing stupid too, 7 turnovers. So sloppy. Spurs so good. This is what happens.
I expected a split in Miami, I just expected SA to have to really fight for it. So far this series is almost identical to last year, problem is game 7 is at SA. Also if they play like they did in that first half no one is beating them.
Chalmers holy shit. Lebron was playing stupid too, 7 turnovers. So sloppy. Spurs so good. This is what happens.
I expected a split in Miami, I just expected SA to have to really fight for it. So far this series is almost identical to last year, problem is game 7 is at SA. Also if they play like they did in that first half no one is beating them.
ryutaro's mama
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MiamiWesker is my favorite Heat-Ager. Good dude.
theignoramus
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the good news for MIA fans is that the Spurs will never shoot 75% in the first half again.
BadAss2961
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LeBron stopped shooting in the 2nd half. Once again, he was in a situation where he should've left it all on the court, and didn't. The team even went on a run with him on the bench.
As predicted, I see ESPN is going in on Chalmers for this game... He's like the 5th or 6th guy down the line on this team. Since when do we blame entire games on role players? Especially one that doesn't even really play his own position since LeBron usually handles the ball.
Remember all those games where Jordan stopped being aggressive and everyone blamed BJ Armstrong for the loss? I don't.
MiamiWesker
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Talking about the crowd? Really guys, really? Out of everything that happened in that game that is what you people want to talk about. IT WAS A BLOWOUT. Every fucking crowd leaves in that situation, YOUR FANS WOULD LEAVE. Such bullshit.
I was there, that crowd was amazing. Down 25 and that place was yelling and screaming as loud as I had ever heard that place. It was over at the 4 minute mark, everyone knew it. So they left, whatever.
This is nothing like game 6 last year, only down 5. The potential end of the entire season. That was stupid. That was pathetic. This is absolutely normal for any sport.
Dan is awesome. Yes most Miami fans love him, best show on the radio. He was totally right to write that last year.
I was there, that crowd was amazing. Down 25 and that place was yelling and screaming as loud as I had ever heard that place. It was over at the 4 minute mark, everyone knew it. So they left, whatever.
This is nothing like game 6 last year, only down 5. The potential end of the entire season. That was stupid. That was pathetic. This is absolutely normal for any sport.
Dan is awesome. Yes most Miami fans love him, best show on the radio. He was totally right to write that last year.
Tragicomedy
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LeBron James is truly the GOAT. He has way more accomplishments than Jordan could ever achieve.
Just look at his resume:
1. Bronze Medal, 2006
2. Bronze Medal, 2004
3. NBA finals sweep 2007
4. Scored 20+ points only one time in an entire Finals series
5. Quit on his team promptly after promising a championship
6. Was dunked on by a high school student and confiscated the video proof
7. Bailed out of the dunk contest 9 times (and counting)
8. Had to pair with 2 superstars to win his first ring
9. Was the 7th best player in an NBA Finals series
10. Averaged 1.8 pts in the 4th quarter of an NBA Finals series
11. Is batting .500 in his 4 NBA Finals attempts (soon to be lower)
12. Hosted a nationally televised TV show to quit his hometown team
13. Played on the same team as his mom's boyfriend
14. Shot 2 for 18 in an NBA playoff game
15. Had his shit stuffed by a player under 6 feet (Nate Robinson)
16. Flopped in every single playoff game of his career
17. Choked in 4 out of 5 Finals games by dropping his FG% by 18
18. Vowed revenge for getting swept in 2007, then proceed to choke again
What am I missing?
Where are you, LVP? Let's crown this man!
Just look at his resume:
1. Bronze Medal, 2006
2. Bronze Medal, 2004
3. NBA finals sweep 2007
4. Scored 20+ points only one time in an entire Finals series
5. Quit on his team promptly after promising a championship
6. Was dunked on by a high school student and confiscated the video proof
7. Bailed out of the dunk contest 9 times (and counting)
8. Had to pair with 2 superstars to win his first ring
9. Was the 7th best player in an NBA Finals series
10. Averaged 1.8 pts in the 4th quarter of an NBA Finals series
11. Is batting .500 in his 4 NBA Finals attempts (soon to be lower)
12. Hosted a nationally televised TV show to quit his hometown team
13. Played on the same team as his mom's boyfriend
14. Shot 2 for 18 in an NBA playoff game
15. Had his shit stuffed by a player under 6 feet (Nate Robinson)
16. Flopped in every single playoff game of his career
17. Choked in 4 out of 5 Finals games by dropping his FG% by 18
18. Vowed revenge for getting swept in 2007, then proceed to choke again
What am I missing?
Where are you, LVP? Let's crown this man!
BadAss2961
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Spurs are some missed free throws away from being up 3-0.
But they(Spurs) have shot nearly 60% for the entire game for two of the three match-ups ...
If I am Miami that should concern me. Heck, the spurs make their free throws and this is a 3-0 series.
ryutaro's mama
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Not sure if he was a high schooler but I remember some story about a pick up game in the offseason where some amateurs schooled James and one of them dunked on him.
EDIT: It was a Xavier player, the one where he confiscated the video.
BadAss2961
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I'd rather have Pop clown me than that whispering and giggling at questions shit LeBron and Wade just did. lol
Can I add to this list?
19. Went to four straight finals with two perennial all-stars from the same draft class IN THEIR PRIME (c) Lebatard
Bron created a revision to a blueprint for future young players to follow. All you have to do is team up in a city with two other perennial all-stars. It helps if one of them is a former MVP or finals MVP. Players will come play for you and your team will at least make the finals every year.
I will say this Jordan benefitted heavily from the lack of a 24 hour media cycle. He also benefitted heavily from a lack of analytics. If the Bulls don't draft Scottie Jordan doesn't win six titles, in my opinion as history is set in stone.
Heat in six
ryutaro's mama
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Did LeBron ever get revenge on DeShawn Stephenson for out playing him and closing him out in Game 6 of the Finals?
eBay Huckster
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Streaks are made to be broken.
BadAss2961
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And wearing that "LeBron, how's my Dirk taste?" t-shirt.
Tragicomedy
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Ball don't lie. Nike confiscated the main media tapes, but there's still footage out there.
The One True King!
I'm confused in that you seem to be making the case that this is a good thing. If you aren't good enough to win on your own, plot to join two other All-Stars that will carry your choking ass in the Finals? The new "blueprint" is precisely why LeBron will always be second banana to MJ.
Not even mad at this game. Total zen mode about the loss, because I have to acknowledge that the Spurs might actually just be better. They obliterated us the first half.
We need to win the next two games though to at least have a chance, Chalmers needs to just be mediocre instead of bad, Bosh needs more touches, and the D just got blitzed on screens and PnRs all night.
We need to win the next two games though to at least have a chance, Chalmers needs to just be mediocre instead of bad, Bosh needs more touches, and the D just got blitzed on screens and PnRs all night.
TheKaeptain
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You forgot couldn't post up on a midget.
CherryWoodFuton
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I religiously listen to Dan every time I go to work.
Btw I would post more in the real NBA Gaf forum but I forgot my password (again)
Yup, been listening to dan for years. Haven't heard many other media members with more perspective and reasonable takes than Dan. Its crazy that he gets painted as a rabid homer lol, because he's actually very fair.
Dion Blaster
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watch out silky johnson, you've got a challenger!
Tragicomedy
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I don't recall what game or series this was.
LeBron's post game isn't MJ-caliber, but it's certainly well above par in that he can simply back his way up over almost anything. His footwork remains hot garbage, but he isn't going to improve in that department at this point in his career.
However, if your comment was meant as some sort of slight on Kevin Durant, then I appreciate your feeble attempt to try and introduce new and completely irrelevant material into the discussion in order to distract from the topic at hand. Nobody is discussing KD as the greatest of all-time.
MiamiWesker
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Strangely I dont feel as bad either, it was one of those where you shrug your shoulders and say we got BEAT. Game 1 bugged me cause it was weird, it had outstanding circumstances that lead to all sorts of what ifs.
Also we saw a new Zelda game today. And I got to go to the game, which is always sweet. Overall a good day. We win on thursday, I'm not worried about that. Its the potential game 7 that i see this leading to that scares me.
Lee Chaolan
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Great outcome. Hopefully Spurs can put a stranglehold on the series come Thursday.
TheKaeptain
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When they played the Mavs and Lebron tried to post up JJ Barea.
EDIT: IRC Lebron states JJ is the reason he started going hard when it came to practicing his post game.
ryutaro's mama
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Wesker, I got it going 7.
CherryWoodFuton
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He gets hate mail from other crazy Heat fans lol
friskykillface
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4 straight missed free throws
but like wade and lebron said, its still 2-1, shook x sweatn' won't happen unless its 3-1 going back to san antonio
MiamiWesker
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I think most got it going 7, its going back and forth till then. 7 away though... scary.
Tragicomedy
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Haha, I forgot about that. Embarrassing, but at least he recognized he sucked in that department and made improvements. He'll never have MJ's silky smooth post game or gorgeous fade away J, but at least LeBron knows how to smash his back and shoulders into an opponent incessantly as he smashes his way into the paint.
Never forget!
Truly the GOAT!
Jordan comparisons are pointless and designed to minimize the importance of all popular players. This is the equivalent of someone saying that popular rock band isn't as great as the Beatles and proceeding to list off their accomplishments without context.
Jordan is a great player but using him to bring down Lebron is pointless and comes across as childish. Jordan didn't deal with half the scrutiny Lebron faces. Bron's won MVPs playing in Miami so data points to your claim as false. Bron's not second banana to MJ now in the minds of fans that aren't haters.
My point is this: if you're going to criticize Lebron then do that. Comparing him to MJ is pointless at this point anyway. If you take the argument there then be prepared for the inevitable push back where Bron supporters to the blatant fallacies in your argument.
jordan0386
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Disliking LeBron as a person is so far fetched.
That's probably too much fandom.
Dude has never sniffed trouble outside of the court.
That's probably too much fandom.
Dude has never sniffed trouble outside of the court.
MetalFearSolid
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Damn. I agree though if he loses the discussion and comparisons with Jordan should end. I truly believe winning 2 championships in 4 years is underachieving for this Big 3 coming together. People lets not forget Kobe took Lakers to 3 straight finals 08-10 and won 2 against the teams that Lebron lost to in the East corresponding years. Kobe was playing with 2 All stars. People gotta give Kobe his props during that time. Lebron James is playing with another top 5 player and an arguable top 20 player. Not turning this to a Kobe vs Lebron debate. But Heat did get to this years finals through a weak Eastern conference. 3-Peat or Bust.
BadAss2961
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I remember the shirt, but didn't know a guy with a courtside seat wore it. lol
Tragicomedy
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I'm still waiting for you to point out a single blatant fallacy. Arguing that I can't compare the two players is merely your opinion, and it's a rather silly one at that. I certainly can, and the comparison paints LeBron in a very poor light.
As far as Jordan not facing as much scrutiny as LeBron, that may be true. Facebook and Twitter weren't around back then. Jordan also NEVER choked in an NBA Finals. He was 6 for 6, winning the Finals MVP each time. He NEVER lost with a championship on the line. He never disappeared for entire fourth quarters, deferred to teammates to hit game winners, or faked leg injuries and cramps when he couldn't handle the pressure. What was there to scrutinize?
Lee Chaolan
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Haha, I forgot about that. Embarrassing, but at least he recognized he sucked in that department and made improvements. He'll never have MJ's silky smooth post game or gorgeous fade away J, but at least LeBron knows how to smash his back and shoulders into an opponent incessantly as he smashes his way into the paint.
Never forget!
Truly the GOAT!
I miss Delonte West on the Cavs.
"Planes, Trains or Automobiles...you better have my donuts!"
ryutaro's mama
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ESPN ruined LeBron. At least with Durant, Curry and Lillard I can just watch them and enjoy them with no slant or narrative.
jordan0386
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Tragic, Bron only plays basketball.
Its not that serious, I assure you.
Its not that serious, I assure you.
invaderzim69
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Great team win for the Spurs tonight. Got home court advantage back. Game 4 will be interesting. This go either way really.
BadAss2961
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Gotta give this post a dap.
ryutaro's mama
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Not tragic at all.
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