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May 2014 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes June 14th
- Thread starter donny2112
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Graphics Horse
Member
Are there examples of any other companies? A while back I said I thought I remembered Sony doing years ago but perhaps I mixed it up with Square.
people i know at another publisher used chartz until i explained to them what it was. they didn't use it for presentations, but internal decisions. i have to wonder how many other companies may have done the same.
BananaSprinkles
Banned
According to the OP, yep.
SwiftDeath
Member
Isn't that worse though?
Laughing at them? They got the better deal!
The Kinect+Titanfall bundle was available for $449.
Kinect+Titanfall for 50 bucks? Yeah, I think I know who should laugh
Kinect-less Xbone for $399 is clearly the worse deal.
Aquamarine
Member
Oh that's disturbing. I hope it was just a small publisher that can't afford NPD / GfK subscriptions and not a major one.
The power that ioi commands over his manufactured data is ridiculous. I just can't believe he continues to make a living wage over the whole ordeal.
Here is a good example of a major industry figure (Aaron Greenberg, a key Microsoft executive) laughing off the site:
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/statuses/2537491877863424
From major publishers citing Chartz "data" in their reports? Not to the best of my knowledge. I only know of the one Square Enix example.
i would assume that if you're using it for presentations, you're also using it for internal decisions.
SwiftDeath
Member
Maybe? I suppose every ok for a new game would require sales projections and that would require past data to be of any merit. Meh that really bums me out then
Aquamarine
Member
Depends on the situation.
That lone Square Enix results briefing that contained Chartz numbers....also didn't cite any NPD numbers in their presentation.
So it's not as if that one Square Enix situation was a time when Square Enix decided to use NPD and Chartz numbers interchangeably.
It's more likely that the presentation was just developed in a rush and whoever prepared it used Chartz numbers on a whim without seriously considering their nature.
In future results briefings since 2009, Square Enix has exclusively used NPD figures, implying that the onetime Chartz reference was a mistake.
Aquamarine
Member
They were included in last month's rankings:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112351429&postcount=822
#20 in units, somewhere after #50 in points
And Road calculated them for March 2014:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108677484&postcount=772
#43 in units, somewhere after #50 in points
It's somewhat cathartic to see how much they fail each month.
SDCowboy
Member
I still wouldn't be shocked if the ps4:bone ratio was somewhere near 3:1 for May.
Jimmyfenix
Member
We know who takes the crown but not 2nd place.
Aquamarine
Member
Ahh, the fresh smell of a brand new NPD.
Data release should be in around two hours.
Then we wait 4 1/2 hours for PR, and even longer for leakers to share some data.
Remember, GAF leakers prefer to share when the thread isn't moving a mile a minute and gathering tons of attention all around the Internet. You know, in the twilight hours. ;-)
Data release should be in around two hours.
Then we wait 4 1/2 hours for PR, and even longer for leakers to share some data.
Remember, GAF leakers prefer to share when the thread isn't moving a mile a minute and gathering tons of attention all around the Internet. You know, in the twilight hours. ;-)
CorporateClown
Member
Yeah, so everyone should just ignore the thread so the leakers can get bored and leak early!
SwiftDeath
Member
Ah pre-NPD release, that magical time right before my predictions come crashing down
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Brilliant!
lightning2k3
Member
NPDs are today!? That's unexpected. I can't wait to see the vita numbers for May. People I talked to who worked at best buy said that the BL2 vita bundle was actually moving lots of units. Maybe vita will see a nice bump?
Me too. I couldn't picture how the 3DS, WiiU and XO would stack up. It would be really funny if the sales and Watch Dogs kept XO sales stable or maybe even higher than last week
SDCowboy
Member
Define 'ok'.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
What time?
So curious about Wii U numbers..
So curious about Wii U numbers..
SwiftDeath
Member
Oh I'm pretty damn certain that Vita will have the largest relative increase MOM of any platform for May but that's more due to the fact that it sold ~3K last month...
Aquamarine
Member
That's not how it works!
I doubt it. Retail impressions point to significant advertising of the new $399 SKU (at the major retailers that comprise 90% of NPD data), even at places that don't usually advertise all that much about these things.
Wonder why we didn't get a x million sales update from Sony at E3...
More than WiiU.
Aquamarine
Member
Microsoft focused their E3 presentation all about the games, and Sony likes to be reactionary to how Microsoft performs. There was a general sentiment of "This E3 is for the gamers" this time around.
That, and Sony is probably waiting for the 10 million milestone.
While I wouldn't be called a bronie, I liked My Little Pony as a kid (decades ago) and don't dislike them now. Still gonna take a bit to get used to looking for your posts with the new avatar. What was the bet?
SDCowboy
Member
That wouldn't be saying much, let alone automatically being OK.
That didn't stop them talking about how many times a button has been pushed since launch.
Exactly. Didn't need to know how many spectate sessions on Playroom or how many share captures there have been so far. Just odd to focus on those numbers and not what actually matters.
Aquamarine
Member
Maybe...they thought those stupid statistics were "statistics for the gamer"?
You got me there.
prag16
Banned
Doubt it. Guess what you mean by "OK". It was 115 last month, and quite possibly would have dropped below 100k without the new SKU announcement. So WITH that announcement, WELL below 100k is a strong possibility. EDIT: Saw your reply; personally I'll be surprised if xbone outsells Wii U this month. Not totally shocked, but surprised.
Shocked? That's what I'm expecting. I think 3:1 is a reasonable over/under.
SDCowboy
Member
The share button is a major feature of the console. How many units the console has sold isn't. And like was already mentioned, maybe they want to wait for a milestone like 10mil.
Bruno MB
Member
Checking my prediction for this month I forgot that I put Wii U over 3DS, that's quite risky, especially with the information that we have:
Unless there was some anticipation I seriously doubt that Wii U sold more than 10,000 units the week before Mario Kart 8, that would be around 70,000 - 75,000 units for the month of May.
Unless there was some anticipation I seriously doubt that Wii U sold more than 10,000 units the week before Mario Kart 8, that would be around 70,000 - 75,000 units for the month of May.
Yeah, by "OK" I wouldn't be surprised to see 100,000.
prag16
Banned
I think 70k is the absolute floor. I didn't change my 110 prediction because I suspect there was a bump during the prerelease MK8 buzz (obviously could be wrong). This was the case in Japan, though to be fair in Japan there was no MK8 hardware bundle. Should be interesting.
Aquamarine
Member
Stanley Cup. I'm a Rangers fan.
....Didn't work out so well when they got slaughtered by LA.
:-(
BananaSprinkles
Banned
When did you change your avatar?
anexanhume
Member
[offtopic] I felt bad for Hank as a Kings fan, but I know he's too good to not get a Cup one day. [/offtopic]
Very interested in this month's numbers since neither Sony nor MS gave a milestone at E3 like I honestly expected.