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[Minions]

If they do this they need to have in game options. For example if you 4 hours ends, it should ask you if you want to continue (for a week) for an additional 6.99 or whatever. Then at the end of that week it should offer you to continue for another 3 weeks for $10 more or whatever. Instead of it being $3 + $10, it would only be $10 since you wanted to continue.

3 months of play time for $20~ does not seem bad to me. Most games will devalue by that much over that period of time. The 4 hour rental is pretty steep.... but since many games can be beaten in 6-10 hours (or less) I can see why they charge what they do.

 

[Tunesmith]

Got accepted into the beta but now what? Where is it on PSN?

If you're in you have a code to redeem.

 

[BadWolf]

Maybe Sony is looking at families or people who don't have dedicated gaming consoles, but just have a Bravia TV, maybe it makes more sense for them to rent at these prices. I think Bravias coming in the next year or so will bundle in DS3 controllers.

Those prices are dumb no matter what you are playing on.

 

[kuroshiki]

If it is around $10/month subscription model like netflix, then this will take off.

If it isn't, it won't. The baffling thing is I'm sure Sony can see where this is going too.

 

[soulassssns]

If you're in you have a code to redeem.

Redeemed but now what? I don't see anything on my ps4 or in my download que

 

[Minions]

If it is around $10/month subscription model like netflix, then this will take off.

If it isn't, it won't. The baffling thing is I'm sure Sony can see where this is going too.

It is not really all that baffling. If you rent from redbox it is $2/day. While the 4 hour rental from PSNow is higher, the week rental is lower. $10 vs $14 (red box); If you wanted to rent a game for a month from redbox you would be paying more than the entire cost of the game. ($56) not to mention if you wanted it for 3 months. Lots of people are renting from redbox so I don't really see the issue.

 

[hodayathink]

How many brand new AAA games are coming to PS3 that aren't coming to PS4 already? 0?

Persona 5. Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel.

If it is around $10/month subscription model like netflix, then this will take off.

If it isn't, it won't. The baffling thing is I'm sure Sony can see where this is going too.

Which is why they're already said, multiple times, that they're going to offer something like that. Again, it's even mentioned in the first post. People are either not paying any attention, or just getting impatient that that's not what's being offered right off the bat.

 

[icespide]

It is not really all that baffling. If you rent from redbox it is $2/day. While the 4 hour rental from PSNow is higher, the week rental is lower. $10 vs $14 (red box); If you wanted to rent a game for a month from redbox you would be paying more than the entire cost of the game. ($56) not to mention if you wanted it for 3 months. Lots of people are renting from redbox so I don't really see the issue.

this is exactly what I'm talking about. there's so many weird way to slice up the prices and perceived value of these rentals

these kneejerk reactions are extreme

 

[EightBitNate]

Persona 5. Borderlands: the Pre-Sequel.



Which is why they're already said, multiple times, that they're going to offer something like that. Again, it's even mentioned in the first post. People are either not paying any attention, or just getting impatient that that's not what's being offered right off the bat.

I wouldn't call either of those AAA.

 

[marcellok]

I'm just disappointed that now to participate in the beta you have to pay these prices. I finally get access to it, and it's no longer free.

 

[Gestault]

I wouldn't call either of those AAA.

I will say, they're pretty reasonable responses though for games coming to PS3 that a PS4 owner might be tempted by for basically anything-less-than-$60 that would let them play. I think the pricing that we've seen so far is bad enough that I wouldn't' want to take part, but if they actually are going to do this for new releases, it starts to make more sense.

 

[sometimes i game]

I'd expect lower prices for livedate. "We listened to your feedback!!!!"

 

[Lebron]

lol Sony has lost their damn minds again with those prices. Vita MC fiasco all over again.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

It is not really all that baffling. If you rent from redbox it is $2/day. While the 4 hour rental from PSNow is higher, the week rental is lower. $10 vs $14 (red box); If you wanted to rent a game for a month from redbox you would be paying more than the entire cost of the game. ($56) not to mention if you wanted it for 3 months. Lots of people are renting from redbox so I don't really see the issue.

Get this fucking logic outta here. This is not the place for that!

Seriously though, here are my thoughts.

1. The 4 hour option is obviously if you have a party, or friends over, and just want to get something and play quick and easy. There is no downloading, no queues, no "sorry, this game is not in stock".
Having said that, either the price is too high, or the time is too low. One of those has to change. My opinion, I would lower the cost a bit. I think Sony is afraid that if they up the hours, people might be able to finish the Single player campaign in that amount of time.

2. The subscription model will never happen. You think pubs will like it that someone can effectively play $700 worth of games for $10? Sony needs to balance between making consumers and making pubs happy. The a la carte option makes the most sense.

3. The price structure, as it stands now, is pretty good. The 4 hour option is dumb, but the prices for 7 and 30 days are reasonable. The 90 days is a bit overkill imo. At that point, people just see the price and think "well, I can just buy the game at that price!". Also, I feel there should be something between 7 and 30 days. Too big of a gap between the two. Scrap the 90, have the largest be 30 days, and put more options in between.

4. Some of the games are super old, and the prices should be adjusted accordingly. If you can effectively buy the game for the same price as the 30 day option, you have already fucked up.

5. This service NEEDS PS1 and PS2 games. Honestly, fuck PS3 games. I can still buy those with not much hassle and at good prices. You start adding Suikoden II, Valkyrie Profile, Lunar Silver Star Story, then you got a fucking service! Just add the entire PS1 and PS2 back catalog. The hardware its running on should no longer be a problem. Plus those games seem ripe for streaming. Not very graphic intensive. Ohh, and add trophy support for them!!

Anyways, those are my thoughts. I've used the service on a 25/2 connection. It works beautifully. There is a extremely tiny delay, but honestly, you have to be really picky to notice it. Having said that, I wouldn't play a fighting game on it.

 

[RPGCrazied]

FOUR HOURS for $4.99?

Charging for demos now. lol. I sure hope the pricing isn't final. I'd rather go to redbox and pay $2 for a whole day.

 

[icespide]

Get this fucking logic outta here. This is not the place for that!

Seriously though, here are my thoughts.

1. The 4 hour option is obviously if you have a party, or friends over, and just want to get something and play quick and easy. There is no downloading, no queues, no "sorry, this game is not in stock".
Having said that, either the price is too high, or the time is too low. One of those has to change. My opinion, I would lower the cost a bit. I think Sony is afraid that if they up the hours, people might be able to finish the Single player campaign in that amount of time.

2. The subscription model will never happen. You think pubs will like it that someone can effectively play $700 worth of games for $10? Sony needs to balance between making consumers and making pubs happy. The a la carte option makes the most sense.

3. The price structure, as it stands now, is pretty good. The 4 hour option is dumb, but the prices for 7 and 30 days are reasonable. The 90 days is a bit overkill imo. At that point, people just see the price and think "well, I can just buy the game at that price!". Also, I feel there should be something between 7 and 30 days. Too big of a gap between the two. Scrap the 90, have the largest be 30 days, and put more options in between.

4. Some of the games are super old, and the prices should be adjusted accordingly. If you can effectively buy the game for the same price as the 30 day option, you have already fucked up.

5. This service NEEDS PS1 and PS2 games. Honestly, fuck PS3 games. I can still buy those with not much hassle and at good prices. You start adding Suikoden II, Valkyrie Profile, Lunar Silver Star Story, then you got a fucking service! Just add the entire PS1 and PS2 back catalog. The hardware its running on should no longer be a problem. Plus those games seem ripe for streaming. Not very graphic intensive. Ohh, and add trophy support for them!!

Anyways, those are my thoughts. I've used the service on a 25/2 connection. It works beautifully. There is a extremely tiny delay, but honestly, you have to be really picky to notice it. Having said that, I wouldn't play a fighting game on it.

good post although I think a subscription model COULD happen, I don't think it will be $$$/month for ALL games. there will be some kind of limit

 

[ErasureAcer]

The pricing structure is pathetic.

Simple as that.

This is going to fail.

Yup. This is a great idea turned horribly stupid.

 

[Killing_Joke]

The prices aren't perfect but PSNOW is not a PS3. If you own a PS3 and really want to play that game a lot it obviously makes sense to buy the full game. Now let's say you're on vacation or just simply don't own a PS3. Play the game whenever on whatever you want with a rental. The prices are a little off but the concept makes sense. Benefit of playing on multiple devices make up the extra cost. Imagine when NOW goes on PC? People want to keep on bringing up Netflix and pretend that services like itunes and amazon video don't exist.

They need to keep it simple. 1 week/month rental options only. 1-4hr trials free for ps+ members. Also a buy full game option is a must. Let you link it to your PSN account, buy TLOU on PS3 = unlocked on PSNOW.

 

[UnlovedJew]

Even without the argument for it being playable on just TVs and Vitas, the pricing for a lesser version of a game to play for 4 hours at fourth of the price for owning it is just silly. I remember just checking into PS Now on my PS4 and actually wondering if they were serious, given that it was free for beta testers in the past. Then again, should've expected that they charge once they got decent games running on there.

 

[hodayathink]

good post although I think a subscription model COULD happen, I don't think it will be $$$/month for ALL games. there will be some kind of limit

The subscription model will happen. They've already said multiple times that it will happen. The question is just what level of games they're going to be able to put on it. I suspect it'll be a lot like PS+, where it's filled with games that publishers don't think they can make much money off of anymore (3+ year old games), and games where publishers are just looking to make money off of any way they can because of how much they spent (i.e. Bioshock Infinite, Remember Me, Spec Ops: The line and KOA: Reckoning). In other words, the type of games you see on PS+ are the games you're going to see in the sub model, they'll just all be there at the same time.

 

[EightBitNate]

The prices aren't perfect but PSNOW is not a PS3. If you own a PS3 and really want to play that game a lot it obviously makes sense to buy the full game. Now let's say you're on vacation or just simply don't own a PS3. Play the game whenever on whatever you want with a rental. The prices are a little off but the concept makes sense. Benefit of playing on multiple devices make up the extra cost. Imagine when NOW goes on PC? People want to keep on bringing up Netflix and pretend that services like itunes and amazon video don't exist.

They need to keep it simple. 1 week/month rental options only. 1-4hr trials free for ps+ members. Also a buy full game option is a must. Let you link it to your PSN account, buy TLOU on PS3 = unlocked on PSNOW.

Why do people feel like they need to defend multi-million dollar corporations? It's stupid math.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I'd pay $20 if the actual technology works well. I don't really want to spend $60 on a single player experience that I'm unlikely to replay again. Obviously this doesn't mean every game.

 

[icespide]

Why do people feel like they need to defend multi-million dollar corporations? It's stupid math.

some people actually think the prices aren't crazy and that it could be a pretty cool service.

crazy right??!? how dare they

 

[endresults]

PS NO.

 

[casmith07]

I'm planning to see if we have a subscription available. I would gladly pay $99/year for unlimited access.

 

[thepotatoman]

The subscription model will happen. They've already said multiple times that it will happen. The question is just what level of games they're going to be able to put on it. I suspect it'll be a lot like PS+, where it's filled with games that publishers don't think they can make much money off of anymore (3+ year old games), and games where publishers are just looking to make money off of any way they can because of how much they spent (i.e. Bioshock Infinite, Remember Me, Spec Ops: The line and KOA: Reckoning). In other words, the type of games you see on PS+ are the games you're going to see in the sub model, they'll just all be there at the same time.

And that's what people should be expecting. It's not like Netflix is filled to the top with brand new big budget movies.

I'm sure there's tons of money to be made a subscription model in putting up a ton of PS1-PS3 games, a few PS4 mid to low budget indie games, and an occasional headliner to create news and excitement. Maybe it'd be more like 15 to 20 dollars a month instead of the 10, but that seems like it would be a fair value for both sides.

 

[Killing_Joke]

Why do people feel like they need to defend multi-million dollar corporations? It's stupid math.

lol wat? I agreed the prices are off. It just seems like a lot of people don't understand PSNOW is something different.

 

[Joeki11a]

This really needs to be a PS+ perk

 

[Willy Wanka]

The prices are universally terrible imo. Sony did say they were looking into subscription models though so maybe there will be one that is reasonably priced by the time this reaches the UK. I'd hope so anyway.

 

[CREMSteve]

Just played for a few hours with the freebies the service is still offering, man, I still can't figure out how the hell this tech works so well. I'm on wifi and Jimmy Johnson's racing game or whatever it's called, runs absolutely perfectly. Not an ounce of latency to be seen, it's nuts. I'm now a believer that a fighting game is perfectly feasible as well.

Too bad the service lacks a subscription model (for now).

 

[elohel]

FOUR HOURS?!

no sir!

 

[David H Wong]

I'm planning to see if we have a subscription available. I would gladly pay $99/year for unlimited access.

I would gladly pay $1,000 for a brand new BMW!

 

[jtenma]

Have you used the service? Say what you want about this (non-final) pricing, but if you have a decent internet connection you will be shocked at how well it works.

Ugh, I dont know how to say this.

Hypothetically speaking (?), some games would be unplayable on this streaming service.

I would pay a whopping $0 for this service as is. FROM THE LOOKS OF IT. Once again, I dont know what I am talking about. I am just an innocent bystander.

The funny thing is Gaikai worked well -ish for me (about as well as sending a video game across the planet CAN work) , and that was browser based. So there's that.

If you are somehow magically having good connections, somehow defying the theory of natural latency as far as streaming a video game across the Earth... I just refuse to believe it.

Unless by "shocked at how well it works" you mean it turns on and runs.. I believe you.

 

[David H Wong]

Everyone, go to Amazon instant video. Look at the prices.

The first Captain America movie is $3.99 to rent for 24 hours, or $20 to buy and own. That's a two-hour movie. The Avengers is $20 to buy, no option to rent.

Not everything is Netflix. And this is why Netflix's library is quickly vanishing, by the way, and they're going to original programming instead. Your idea of what streaming content should cost is skewed way, way low.

 

[UberTag]

I picked up the entire game for sale on Plus back when it was marked down to $8.99 back in January.
Still haven't played it which is odd as I've been binging on Final Fantasy this year (Crisis Core, FFV, FFX HD, etc.)

And yeah, there's going to be no subscription model for this. Which is a real shame. Will be happy sticking with the sales we currently have through Plus.

 

[marrec]

I picked up the entire game for sale on Plus back when it was marked down to $8.99 back in January.
Still haven't played it which is odd as I've been binging on Final Fantasy this year (Crisis Core, FFV, FFX HD, etc.)

And yeah, there's going to be no subscription model for this. Which is a real shame. Will be happy sticking with the sales we currently have through Plus.

I can't pick it up and play it on sale because I don't own a PS3.

 

[PBY]

And that's what people should be expecting. It's not like Netflix is filled to the top with brand new big budget movies.

I'm sure there's tons of money to be made a subscription model in putting up a ton of PS1-PS3 games, a few PS4 mid to low budget indie games, and an occasional headliner to create news and excitement. Maybe it'd be more like 15 to 20 dollars a month instead of the 10, but that seems like it would be a fair value for both sides.

I'm with that. 15-20 is the upper Limit- but let me get a bunch of old shit at that price.

 

[Gurrry]

So what happens once the 4 hours runs out?

Can you just buy another 4 hours? Or does it delete your save?

 

[Toki767]

I do think Sony will eventually take an Amazon Prime style model where you pay a subscription fee to have access to a catalog of certain games, but the newer stuff will probably be rental only.

 

[hodayathink]

So what happens once the 4 hours runs out?

Can you just buy another 4 hours? Or does it delete your save?

Apparently, the saves can be uploaded to PS+, so you can actually buy the game outright and download the save to use if you wanted to. And I'd assume at this point that yes, you can just go right back and buy it again.

 

[hodayathink]

Why do people feel like they need to defend multi-million dollar corporations? It's stupid math.

The four hour option is unquestionably bad. Most of the 90 day options are as well. But the 7 and 30 day options are both perfectly fine in terms of prices for renting games (that aren't mailed out to you two at time), and are as cheap as you're going to get for those amounts of time without trying your luck at waiting for the game to go on sale or going out and buying a used copy. Especially if they work on getting newer games into the service (which I've said multiple times that I don't think they're going to do until this is at least in public beta, if not fully out of beta entirely). If you have a problem with those prices, I'd argue your problem is actually with how well the service works (and how much you think that is worth) as opposed to the prices for the amount of time you get.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

$4.99 for four hours ? Get to fuck

 

[flyover]

I'd pay $20 if the actual technology works well. I don't really want to spend $60 on a single player experience that I'm unlikely to replay again. Obviously this doesn't mean every game.

I'm with you. Especially for games that shouldn't take more than a few days. I'd happily rent Murdered: Soul Suspect (which apparently only takes about a half-dozen hours of playtime) for $20. But I'm not sure I want to buy it for $50. With PS Now, Sony gets a guaranteed twenty bucks from me that they otherwise may not get at all.

Like you said, it doesn't apply to every game. But it's perfect for some.

 

[CREMSteve]

Ugh, I dont know how to say this.

Hypothetically speaking (?), some games would be unplayable on this streaming service.

I would pay a whopping $0 for this service as is. FROM THE LOOKS OF IT. Once again, I dont know what I am talking about. I am just an innocent bystander.

The funny thing is Gaikai worked well -ish for me (about as well as sending a video game across the planet CAN work) , and that was browser based. So there's that.

If you are somehow magically having good connections, somehow defying the theory of natural latency as far as streaming a video game across the Earth... I just refuse to believe it.

Unless by "shocked at how well it works" you mean it turns on and runs.. I believe you.

Seriously, it just works. It's as amazing as the first time I used Netflix and I started watching an HD movie, with no downloading. MInd-blowing tech, no doubt about it.

 

[PBY]

The four hour option is unquestionably bad. Most of the 90 day options are as well. But the 7 and 30 day options are both perfectly fine in terms of prices for renting games (that aren't mailed out to you two at time), and are as cheap as you're going to get for those amounts of time without trying your luck at waiting for the game to go on sale or going out and buying a used copy. Especially if they work on getting newer games into the service (which I've said multiple times that I don't think they're going to do until this is at least in public beta, if not fully out of beta entirely). If you have a problem with those prices, I'd argue your problem is actually with how well the service works (and how much you think that is worth) as opposed to the prices for the amount of time you get.

Id be more okay if they were new games. These games are old. They cost way less to buy. At that point you might as well consider getting a used ps3.

 

[EdReedFan20]

FYI, anyone who can't use a traditional wired connection, get these. They work. They are awesome. My PS4 went from 6Mbs to 16Mbs. It is essentially a wired connection, without needed to have a LONG ethernet cable (if your device is far from your router).

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWRUIY4/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Badlucktroll]

If i could pay, say, $199 for unlimited access of every game on PSNOW for a year, i would do it. There will be free rentals for PS Plus members, guys.

 

[bobbytkc]

It is not really all that baffling. If you rent from redbox it is $2/day. While the 4 hour rental from PSNow is higher, the week rental is lower. $10 vs $14 (red box); If you wanted to rent a game for a month from redbox you would be paying more than the entire cost of the game. ($56) not to mention if you wanted it for 3 months. Lots of people are renting from redbox so I don't really see the issue.

What Sony needs to be asking then, is do they want to be as successful as Netflix? Or do they want to be as successful as RedBox?

 

[Harlock]

Renting digital stuff never is a good thing. Only makes sense paying a flat fee for all like Netflix.

 

[Meneses]

That 4 hour option is terrible and reeks of "let's bait people into going straight for the week-long rental."

Now (and I must say that I'm not a big fan of this service, I would prefer some sort of direct retrocompatibility or emulation) when looking at the longer period rentals, they sound reasonable enough to me. I do think they need to implement some kind of tier-based system, like older games are cheaper or something like that.