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Final Fantasy XV tech demo presentation by Tabata (Demo gameplay details added)
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Nightengale
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What's important, imo, is the depth of the system.
There's a lot of give-and-take when it comes to designing an intricate battle system. When a sense of automation is added to any system to remove a layer of 'control' from the player, what does the system add back for that in compensation?
It's like how some games have highly forgiving aspects of some mechanics, whereas some games don't. Games that are focused on highly mechanical, astute understanding of enemy actions and reaction will have extremely unforgiving defense/roll mechanics, because you're meant to match your timing one-to-one. Whereas games focused on dishing out high combo scores via complicated attack combinations may have very forgiving dodge mechanics to not make achievement of high combos even more difficult than it is through the factor of enemy attacks.
There's a lot of give-and-take when it comes to designing an intricate battle system. When a sense of automation is added to any system to remove a layer of 'control' from the player, what does the system add back for that in compensation?
It's like how some games have highly forgiving aspects of some mechanics, whereas some games don't. Games that are focused on highly mechanical, astute understanding of enemy actions and reaction will have extremely unforgiving defense/roll mechanics, because you're meant to match your timing one-to-one. Whereas games focused on dishing out high combo scores via complicated attack combinations may have very forgiving dodge mechanics to not make achievement of high combos even more difficult than it is through the factor of enemy attacks.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
That's a fair criticism. But, I'm trying to keep my expectations in check. What about Xbox One?
NoctisVsStar
Member
All hell would break loose if that was the case, duck if you look closely at times there's like a pause when noctis is about to attack or dodge idk if that's because the demonstrator was holding down to button for the action to initiate. Compared to E3 trailer attacks and rolling/dodging seems to be more fluently, maybe it's just me idk if others notice it hence the comments about the combat looking slower.
I imagine SE would have had to produce a new completely new P&L forecast when they moved to next-gen and changed the name. While it's fair for us to consider the complete budget over the twelve years, I imagine SE have completely written off anything before the generation shift budget wise.
Their sales projections must be realistic, despite the prolonged development, they're probably targeting between five and six million, which shouldn't be an issue.
Their sales projections must be realistic, despite the prolonged development, they're probably targeting between five and six million, which shouldn't be an issue.
Nightengale
Member
This is developed as a multiplatform title. And the power difference between PS4 and XB1, while decent, isn't at the level where the gap is so big that it cannot be overcome by a resolution/framerate sacrifice.
That's what I'm thinking, just thought it was a bit weird that the everyone who responded only referenced the PS4. My guess is we'll maybe see something of a 1080p vs 900p scenario or less.
Nightengale
Member
Combat looked somewhat slower in the road trip trailer, but it never looked delayed or 'canned.' Weapons like spears and large swords are slow, but short blades are still as fast as they were back at E3's trailer.
The overall pace was slower,but that's because Noctis wasn't doing burst-teleports anymore.
qualitydisc
Member
The same way FFVII realistically paces a narrative around a permanent main character death when you have 18 Phoenix Downs in your inventory. Final Fantasy don't need no logic.
nelsonroyale
Member
Well, the difference shouldn't be less given what we have seen so far and spec differences. However, obviously a powerful PC is considerably more powerful than the difference between the two. I think this was on PS4 however, or equivalent system.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Phoenix Down cures KO, not death.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation
And you can't warp to anything you see. Mostly fixed points or enemies only.
You do know that Phoenix Downs do not revive people from death, right?
NoctisVsStar
Member
One thing I still want to see at some point would be the menus and such as well as how leveling up in this game is going to work. Will it be similar to KH where each level increases general parameters with some new skills every so often? Could there be some sort of mastery system involving the weapons based on their use (I suppose this would be most beneficial to Noctis though than the others)?
I can't recall them ever talking much about this aspect of things.
I can't recall them ever talking much about this aspect of things.
qualitydisc
Member
I'd love a super fancy leveling system like sphere grid,liscence board or crystarium.
It just makes assigning points so much more interesting and fun to do.You can tell they put a lot of effort into these systems and its pretty fun in the end product.
Those are usually the last things they ever talk about in the marketing cycle for Final Fantasy. The License Board in FFXII and the Crystarium system in FFXIII weren't detailed until very close to the release of the games. We probably won't hear anything about this stuff until late 2015.
In BBS, I clearly remember spamming roll,roll,roll and barely getting hit.
It was a solution to many fights that seemed hard.lol.
I also want to know how the weapon system works: since Noctis can use every weapon (the others too? maybe w/ limitations?) do we have to keep equipping so many of them? Like, i'm okay with choosing what's the new fancy sword, but a whole arsenal? And if others can switch weapons too, do they have a sort of "party weapon pool" from where everyone picks one during the fight?
This just shows how much we don't know about the gameplay yet.
This just shows how much we don't know about the gameplay yet.
Yeah even when the game comes to trade shows they will purposely censor any menus and stuff, sadly.
EmptySpace
Banned
ehhhh i'd rather have that than mashing buttons.
we all know we'll use attack the most, so it's better to hold than to press it again and again.
or maybe it's just a rapid fire thing and we can still time attacks.
they said it was more like kingdom hearts before, and that game had you pressing attack all the freaking time.
butman
Member
After this tech demo i can understand the 9 years work. It's like control a f*cking CG movie!
So if we like to have these kind of quality AAA games, the avergage years to wait after a announcement is at least 6 years until we get a demo.
And if we really like to see FF XVI for PS4/XONE, this gen at least must die after 2022.
So if we like to have these kind of quality AAA games, the avergage years to wait after a announcement is at least 6 years until we get a demo.
And if we really like to see FF XVI for PS4/XONE, this gen at least must die after 2022.
AC a terrible terrible combat system.
NoctisVsStar
Member
I want to press buttons not hold, then where's the strategy if it's doing everything for you? It's a false sense of "control" it's essentially auto pilot. If it's optional to hold I wouldn't mind for those who like it.
that'll hold up in court
I only knocked her out, I didn't kill her! but she's #dead for some reason :/
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I really like the crisp and precise attack animations. Great hit detection, collision and animation. The overall pace is also less mashy than before.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I said inspired btw, concept-wise. But I'm all ok for it, I'm looking for a stage and a show, not for tight mechanics in a FF. It'll be good already if it "looks" like I'm playing Advant Children but in real time. Difficult, complex or not... I'm here to enjoy CGI graphics made playable, lmao! But I don't think it'll be simple as it appears, there's probably alot of automated BS in it (a la XII and XIV) but also lots of micro and macro managment all around.
Eh, maybe the Sphere Grid since that didn't bug me too much, but I'd rather not go with the License Board or Crystarium. Though from what I understand the changes made to the former in that expanded version improved it a bit. The latter was just boring.
Never realized that was the case, though I suppose it makes sense that there wouldn't be much in the way of focus on them in marketing. I'm wondering if it'll be featured in the demo at all to give players a taste or if that will all be strictly combat.
I don't want anything like spheregrid or other systems in the series.
I want something new for the game but still super fancy.
Regular number increases won't cut it in FF
EmptySpace
Banned
strategy? as i've said it could be more like a rapid fire thing, which i think it actually is.
how is holding a button any different than mashing it over and over? how is one supposed to be strategy? you're just holding it instead of mashing, which will result in the same actions regardless.
of course that doesn't mean you can't mash the buttons to your liking, but what's the point again? square isn't stupid to not let you do single button-press attacks.
they must mean you can hold the attack button instead of mashing it like in kingdom hearts.
how is that autopilot? it doesn't stop you from mashing your buttons or stopping you from attacking.
Yeah, if anything comparing this game to that is a huge negative for me.
Zoe
Member
It's not just newcomers but longtime fans who never really venture outside of RPG's.
yeah I imagine if you want to stop doing damage or a certain string of hits you can just unhold the button or if you want to to switch commands instantaneously you still can by pressing a different button.
What I am mostly worried about is how invincible you can become by simply holding the defensive button.
Crossing Eden
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Uh, we have many next gen games from the west that look just as good if not better than this game graphically, none of them took six years to make. 8 year dev time is not a super positive thing. Even bloodborne looks more impressive technically imo and that game has been in development since the Artorias dlc was finished and there's an alpha on the way.
EmptySpace
Banned
ehhh...this is an rpg. you know, where games give you skills to block then give your opponents skills to overpower your block. i wouldn't be too worried.
You do realize they probably only got those new models done within the last year right?
nelsonroyale
Member
I agree with you. The visuals have nothing to do with the 8 years of dev time. Although, very few games even from the west look this impressive. It really does look absolutely top tier.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Maybe I have the wrong assumption I wasn't attacking you or anything just in case, when I hear "hold button" what comes to my mind for example it's let's say Dante in dmc does the combo string for me automatically by holding it down it's doing the work for me instead of allowing me to improvise instead of letting go of the button to do something else. It's not that I want to mash but idk I want to be creative and do some cancels of my own.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I came to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_C_8F1usDo#t=72 a guy recreated it T.T
brandonh83
Banned
FFXV will sell fucking stupid due to its development history alone. It will feel like buying something almost mystical, even though it's just a game that took really long to make.
not necessarily..The lucis "gamplay" could've been an older build.
The leviathan stuff was similar quality but likely running on a PC.Many labeled it as target footage.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
My guess is that you can set up the combos on a menu, being each type of weapon a different type of attack which is own timing and characteristics. That's why there's an auto-attack, since the character will do the combo you set up.
Maybe setting them in a manner will unlock special attacks for you and your allies.
Maybe setting them in a manner will unlock special attacks for you and your allies.