Kingdom shader is just a buzzword. Its just the artstyle applied to each world enhanced by specific shader flters. They can replicate the same look on UE4. And take it much further since they were constrained by what little Luminous could do to start with.
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Kingdom Hearts 3 is now using Unreal Engine 4
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Kingdom shader is just a buzzword. Its just the artstyle applied to each world enhanced by specific shader flters. They can replicate the same look on UE4. And take it much further since they were constrained by what little Luminous could do to start with.
Anything can run on UE. ASW pretty much proves that if you put the work in you can convey the look you want (and the feel, since GGX is 60fps, of course).
And UE4 is even better. They really shouldn't have too difficult a time getting KH to look like KH on UE4.
In fact, Disney coming to Steam is the reason why to get hopes up for KH3.
The reason we never seen a KH title on PSS is that Disney didnt wanted digital distribution of their titles...
This was a concern for a potential KH3 release.
But now with Disney coming to Steam AND KH3 being made with UE4 in the same day...
Hopes are getting skyrocket.
Stuff like Epic Mickey 2 have always been available digitally
Earthpainting
Member
It's surprising news, but it's probably for the best too. From the way Tabata has been talking, Luminous often sounded like a bunch of stickers that they are slapping on a different engine. It was probably not worth the hassle in the long run. UE4 may also help with possibly PC porting as well, though I assume Disney is going to be a bigger obstacle with that than engine compatibility.
This is excellent news! The main gains Square will find is workflow improvements. UE4 is very streamlined and geared for rapid prototyping. It's also very extendable. Graphically KH3 will look as good if not better than originally intended. Just look at what is being done on RIME and ABZU.
UE4 allows Square to focus on what they're good at (Rendering magic and gameplay) while leaving the ugly parts of development to a third party. Game development is too big now for every company to develop their own engine. Square has learned that the hard way.
UE4 allows Square to focus on what they're good at (Rendering magic and gameplay) while leaving the ugly parts of development to a third party. Game development is too big now for every company to develop their own engine. Square has learned that the hard way.
In fact, Disney coming to Steam is the reason why to get hopes up for KH3.
The reason we never seen a KH title on PSS is that Disney didnt wanted digital distribution of their titles...
This was a concern for a potential KH3 release.
But now with Disney coming to Steam AND KH3 being made with UE4 in the same day...
Hopes are getting skyrocket.
Disney titles have been available on Amazon DD for more than two years now, so again, best to temper expectations.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
The best way for comparison is to compare apples to apples:
When I see this in Thief (using the latest version of UE3 that is heavily modified and can be counted among the best versions):
http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/50987989622074338/82FD42842D746D29C7452ADE7745C0D1939C8349/.
Then seeing this in UE4 (made by one person btw):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAwWuSAjKvs&list=UUjpFOf-YWpois6WVG6hqXNQ
Going from that super realistic feel to this:
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?7164-A-different-kind-of-cel-shader
You can expect KHIII to fulfill the universe shader transition very well.
Seems logical if they're going for the most efficient plan possible, most of Luminous developement staff is helping with XV (to get that out in 1+ year), while the engine is probably being used in an "alpha state" for other things too (FFXVI? DQXI? FFVIIR???).
In the meanwhile, in order to also release KHIII in a reasonable timeframe, they moved it to a very efficient engine, so to not take away any other focus from Luminous devs and also because they are situated in another city, which is something to consider too.
So yeah, Luminous and the whole situation is the typical SE clusterfuck, but at the very least they're sorting it out in the most efficient possible way at their disposal.
Maybe we'll be able to see KHIII in 2016 if this goes well.
In the meanwhile, in order to also release KHIII in a reasonable timeframe, they moved it to a very efficient engine, so to not take away any other focus from Luminous devs and also because they are situated in another city, which is something to consider too.
So yeah, Luminous and the whole situation is the typical SE clusterfuck, but at the very least they're sorting it out in the most efficient possible way at their disposal.
Maybe we'll be able to see KHIII in 2016 if this goes well.
Dictator93
Member
Well to be fair, UE3 early in the gen was immediately identifiable in pretty much every release until late 2012.
Even borderlands and borderlands 2 have tell tale UE3 look to them, it is minor, but I can point it out in almost every release.
nelsonroyale
Member
.....Seriously pathetic....SE used to impress me far more than Epic in the visual stakes...What is up with this company...?
I suppose Rime looks impressive using UE4, but this to me is another indication of just how much of a downward spiral SE are on...
I suppose Rime looks impressive using UE4, but this to me is another indication of just how much of a downward spiral SE are on...
Whoops, sorry about that. I know dragon age: Origin used a custom engine, so I thought ME1 did as well.
Since when? MT Framework is a modified Onimusha 3 engine. It was Inafking's baby, one of the only smart things during his tenure as Capcom head.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Probably both? S-E must be kicking themselves for investing SO MUCH in their own proprietary engines that didn't/won't pan out. HUGE money sink.
I actually think it's incredibly wise to leave the engine to the engine guys and focus on your game. Helps keep resources in check and the development focused
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
I think your caps lock key's broken
They have improved their Japanese support to the point that there's a studio located in Japan for engine support. Not sure why you're using "suddenly" though. UE3 launched a generation ago.
Yeah, they opened it back in 2009: http://kotaku.com/5367444/epic-games-expands-to-tokyo-teases-secret-plans-for-studio
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Huh.
What i played of Last remnant wasn't so bad but it didnt really feel like a square game to me. Hopefully that doesn't happen again with UE4
What i played of Last remnant wasn't so bad but it didnt really feel like a square game to me. Hopefully that doesn't happen again with UE4
They definitely took care of the documentation issue years ago then.
Yes. It was broken.
Tera just barely slipped into 2011, after a 2009 beta, and the only really UE3 thing about it I noticed at launch was popin. There's definitely a UE3 look, but it's more a product of "good enough" thinking than anything else.
John Bender
Banned
lol Duckroll am right, confirmed!
You mean UNREAL.
UE3, arguably less flexible, is what Guilty Gear Xrd runs on. If S-E can't do fancy graphical feels on UE4 then they'll be the only ones to blame.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Many games who used other engines (UE3, Cryengine, Unity, chrome 6 etc) switched to UE4 in mid project. Of course this will take time, but bringing most of the assets are feasible. Some may need to be built from the ground though.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
Well, I guess that's that.
Also whatever, as long as I'll get my Kingdom Hearts 3.
Isn't the development of the Luminous engine one of the factors that held FFvs13/FFXV in development hell for so long?
Also whatever, as long as I'll get my Kingdom Hearts 3.
Isn't the development of the Luminous engine one of the factors that held FFvs13/FFXV in development hell for so long?
As far as the 3d assets themselves. They should be just fine. They model, rig, and animate in Maya(Luminous started as a Maya plugin btw) these are usually exported as FBX files which is the desired format for UE4.
As for rendering technology(lighting/shading/etc). The interview says they are having issues with that right now and Epic is actually helping them get that sorted out.
As for gameplay stuff. That will need to be re-implemented, but shouldn't be a big deal as the logic of what they programmed should still be fine.
Overall it's best that they are doing this now as KH3 isn't even out of preproduction yet.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
Yes, all the assets you mentionned should be fine. UE4 has its own version of Lighting that is why they are getting trouble. Also trees should be redone for best results, since Speedtree released a dedicated speetdree modeler for UE4 with UE4 speedtree samples. So they need to use that dedicated UE4 speedtree modeler to get suitable trees working with engine features (especially lighting and physics and collisions)
GreenMakoEyes
Member
wow.. that was unexpected.
UE4 is praised for being streamlined and speeding up development, so it's probably a good thing.
I just feel bad for SE for throwing all that money on Luminus for nothing. Imo FFXV on Luminus looks spectacular, but if SE can keep the IQ that good and also speed up development for KH3, then i guess that's a good thing.
I just feel bad for SE for throwing all that money on Luminus for nothing. Imo FFXV on Luminus looks spectacular, but if SE can keep the IQ that good and also speed up development for KH3, then i guess that's a good thing.
ScionOfTheRisingSun
Banned
Ugh, not Gonorrheal Engine again.
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ZombieFred
Unconfirmed Member
Will they be able to import the lighting/custom hair and model tech from Luminous into Unreal 4? That's the one thing I was really impressed with from what I have seen with them.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
What games have we got in this engine again? mostly all is still being developed.
outlast I think...
Triggerhappytel
Member
EDIT - ^Outlast is UE3 I think^.
This is probably the right decision, but I continue to be baffled and amused in equal measure by Squeenix's incompetence. If it weren't for their very smart acquisition of SCidos a few years ago, they'd be completely and utterly irrelevant by now.
This is probably the right decision, but I continue to be baffled and amused in equal measure by Squeenix's incompetence. If it weren't for their very smart acquisition of SCidos a few years ago, they'd be completely and utterly irrelevant by now.
yeah you're right its daylight I'm thinking of! that uses it for sure.
If I had to guess, it's about tools more than rendering.
why is that? Square used UE3 on The Last Remnant.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
I'm glad. I'm sure SE wanted their own engine yo maximize profits, but using UE4 gets me my game faster.
Going Unreal Engine 4 is a good idea. It is a bit soon to say but I think its going to be the de facto engine this generation.
I can see why S-E dropped Luminus if it was having problems. On the bright side S-E made a good bet if they were going to choose an engine to go with this gen.
- $20 gets your source code access. Which means you got a legion of people improving your engine if they want to help
- Epic partnering up with schools to teach Unreal Engine 4 will give you a workforce that won't need training. Basically think Adobe and Photoshop
- They got a visual scripting tool call blueprints that basically let a designer/artist do the easier programming stuff
- They are getting a market place going which means game developers can start cutting corners if they need/want to and just buy premade stuff
- Finally Epic weather they want it or not is getting support from major companies like Microsoft(dx12) and Nvidia(gameworks)
I can see why S-E dropped Luminus if it was having problems. On the bright side S-E made a good bet if they were going to choose an engine to go with this gen.