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Forbes: Marvel & DC Fans: Stop Rooting Against Each Other's Films

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anaron

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Lovely piece from Mark Hughes.

Marvel Studios had a good day. Tuesday brought a major event at which the studio unveiled their future superhero film titles and release dates, revealed some new footage from next summer’s Avengers: Age of Ultron, and made casting announcements. Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige was on stage to deliver the news, bringing Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. with him for a finale that included the unmasking of Chadwick Boseman as Marvel’s Black Panther in upcoming movies.

But all of this news brought something else with it, unfortunately. In typical form, fans of Marvel and Warner Bros./DC Comics used Tuesday’s event as yet another reason to lash out at one another and root for their “team” while insulting and otherwise expressing animosity toward the other side. The summation of all of this comes down to claims that one or the other doesn’t make good films, and hopes that one or the other’s films will fail at the box office.

The entire “winner and loser” mentality of it all seeps into almost every bit of media coverage at some point, and it dominates fan discussions. Twitter for example was full of Marvel fans declaring they’d “won,” that Marvel will always beat DC, and that DC movies would flop. DC fans meanwhile reacted resentfully and repeated accusations that Marvel films are generic and will inevitably fail, and that Marvel’s announcements are just trying to mimic DC’s upcoming slate of films (announced a couple of weeks ago).

I realize fans of anything are inherently going to favor it over something else. And I realize that human nature just tends to make a lot of people knee-jerk competitive about their preferences for one thing over others. Lastly, I realize that in reality a large number of fans who engage in the more extreme negativity online are probably mostly younger and therefore by definition more immature — meaning not mature, as in not adults with more life experience and (in theory) more control over their emotions and so on.

But it’s reached a point where fandom at large continues to look like a cliched bunch of stereotypical fanboys and fangirls who scream and yell at one another and can’t have a rational discussion about anything. It’s why despite the vast global popularity of the superhero film genre among mainstream audiences hasn’t changed the fact people who aren’t comic book fans still think people who are comic book fans are just basically angry, spoiled, socially inept kids. Even more positive portrayals of fan/geek culture in the mainstream media tends to poke fun at it and adhere primarily to stereotypes based on the more extreme elements among fandom. The stereotypes linger, and those fan voices are the face of fandom so often, because they are the loudest, or the ones whose exaggerated behavior attracts the most attention.

What I don’t think fans realize, however, is that their animosity and bickering doesn’t just make them and fandom look bad, it reflects poorly on the genre as a whole. And if they had their way, and if the “opposing side’s” favorite films flopped at the box office or were regarded as poor quality by critics and audiences, it will not just harm the company they dislike. No, it will almost surely backfire and hurt the company to which they feel so loyal.

Constant negative narratives about films can and often do sink them at the box office, or at least lead to tainted buzz and a sense of mixed reactions that can at least harm the films’ potential in theaters. This can then also taint a movie’s legacy and reputation down the road, affecting the success and sentiment toward sequels or spinoffs and so on. And when that happens to several major films within a genre, and when there’s a deflating of box office and critical reception and word of mouth for a large number of films within a genre, it can sour overall mainstream audience enthusiasm for other films within that same genre.

You don’t have to love Marvel or DC to recognize their contributions, and to treat them with more respect than much of the fan behavior has demonstrated so far. You can dislike their characters and films, and still not wish them and their fans ill. You can dislike their material and still hope it succeeds, because that helps comics and the superhero genre as a whole, which means it helps the community of fans around the world and helps your personal favorite characters and comics and films, too. If you can’t bring yourself to be respectful and root for them for any other reason, at least do it out of pure self-preservation and selfishness.

We’re so lucky to have all of this now, and for the comics and characters and genre we love so much to be embraced worldwide like this. To stand in the midst of so much awesomeness and bicker and moan, to insult one another and hope people who disagree fail, to see it as a “win or lose” proposition, is crazy and ungrateful and childish. Joking and ribbing one another in good fun is of course different, and I’m not talking about healthy friendly competitiveness, nor about pure honest objective appraisals of periods when one or the other is up or down, or when a particular company or film has problems and issues worth critiquing.

It’s the actual fighting, the angry, bitter, or resentful reactions and counter-reactions, that I wish we could put an end to once and for all. And I hope that, if you’re one of those on either side who engages in that sort of behavior, that you’ll at least consider the point about how the success of one company is good for everyone, and why the company you don’t like has still contributed a lot to the current golden era of superhero cinema we’re experiencing.

Marvel had a good day. WB/DC will have good days. And both will benefit, and we all win
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davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
but dc comics is a mindless zombie only looking to cash in for its bigger corporate overlord
 

Omega

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Most people are incapable of liking two of the similar things.

It's one or the other for most of this world and it's been that way since the beginning of time.
 
Both sides need to swallow their pride, overcome their differences, and work together to get Zack Snyder out of the comic book movie business.
 

TEJ

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My dreams of a DC/marvel crossover film will never happen....i know that DC and marvel have had crossover comics in the past but the last time that happened was a long time ago. Now the film rights make things an even bigger clusterfuck.
 
Article is 100 % percent right we all win brehs I never thought they would make all these comic properties and now in less than three years we'll get them enjoy it while it lasts.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
My dreams of a DC/marvel crossover film will never happen....i know that DC and marvel have had crossover comics in the past but the last time that happened was a long time ago. Now the film rights make things an even bigger clusterfuck.

Crossovers are never good anyways. Comics have solidified this point.
 
Yup. At the end of the day its just entertainment. You watch, enjoy and then you go onto to the next one. How much value is really added to your life due to these movies? Not much. So why fight about it.
 

Finaika

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but dc comics is a mindless zombie only looking to cash in for its bigger corporate overlord

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My response has always been "It's badass to live in an age where our childhood heroes can be represented on screen realistically in all their glory."

But I didn't pick a side. I did have favored characters, but that didn't stop me from loving other characters. I loved X-Men and Justice League. Spider-Man and the Flash (Wally West though...)
 

Wazzy

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Yeah I really hate the wars between both fans. I want both to succeed even though I vastly prefer Marvel.
 
Yeah I really hate the wars between both fans. I want both to succeed even though I vastly prefer Marvel.

Exactly. But at the same time, people shouldn't confuse having a preference with wanting the other guys to fail. I want DC to make good movies. I want to justify my showing up there to watch them. I'm a Marvel guy, but I won't say no to double the amount of good movies I would get otherwise
 

rude

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I wonder if DC's movies will be just as cooke cutter and homogenized as Marvel's? I'm hoping that DC actually lets writers/directors execute their visions. No matter how many times people say each Marvel film is it's own genre, I can't help but see just how similar they all are?
 
Their can only be one.

Seriously, I like both and hope that all these films end being good. I have more faith in Marvel delivering but I look forward to the DC stuff too.
 

Liamario

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It's beneficial for everyone that both IPs do well. It keeps pushing the studios to improve/outdo themselves and the fans reap the rewards. It's not like with console wars, where people mainly tend to only buy one console. The cinema doesn't tend to have venue exclusives.
 
I think the only reason people rail against DC/Warner is because they are untested. They've set crazy expectations for themselves and are shooting for the moon, but only have one divisive movie under their belt. Marvel aims pretty goddamn high, but generally has the track record to back it up

Once Batman v Superman comes out, we'll have a clearer picture
 

DarkFlow

Banned
I wonder if DC's movies will be just as cooke cutter and homogenized as Marvel's? I'm hoping that DC actually lets writers/directors execute their visions. No matter how many times people say each Marvel film is it's own genre, I can't help but see just how similar they all are?

Couldn't help yourself could you?
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
how ridiculous would a Superman vs. Hulk movie be, guys? they're bound to do it when all of this avengers and justice league nonsense is done.
 

Alienous

Member
Every rational comic book fan will be happy to see both film universes thrive and be successful.

The faux rivalry is just for fun.

I'm only rooting against Fox' Fantastic Four. Still salty.

But yeah, fuck Fox's Fantastic Four reboot. I want those characters to belong to Marvel Studios.
 

Sojgat

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Never going to happen, shit is ingrained at this point.

DC and Marvel did everything they could to build up the rivalry over the years.
 

overcast

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I am cheering for good comic book films across the board. There are some I believe in more, and there has been a lot of mediocrity in the field, but I know there will be more greatness.

I think Fox can do really well for themselves if they do Deadpool justice leading up to Apocalypse too. I don't think FF will be good, but that would be nice to see even. Sony's current Spider Man is the only one I have written off. I've kept up with the MCU (even though I have been split on it) and will see what DC has in store (even with MoS being a 5.5/10 flick).

I just love getting hyped for the big releases when I can and comic book ones are especially fun. Lets just hope they stay varied.
 

MrChom

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I like the MCU, and DCs current lineup of TV shows (though I am casting a critical eye over Gotham).

Marvel just keep doing stuff right for me....witty superhero movies, a great programme like Unlimited to give me all the comics I need/want...and DC keeps giving nice things to Zack Snyder.

Someone stop him.

Please?
 

Nether!

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I hope all of them are amazing and create lasting legacies, that not only define characters for future generations but are remembered as amazing examples of blockbuster filmmaking in the tradition of some of the moat fondly remembered action films of the past.
 

Rootbeer

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Huge fan of both, always have been, doubt that is ever changing. I do like to compare them and see which is excelling where the other could be doing better. It's part of the fun of being into this stuff.

I'm not into sports in any way, but at least i can sort of pair up marvel and dc and make it into a sort of competition even if it's just in my mind.

If you really want to talk about winner/loser mentality, sports is really where you need to be looking. We have entire cities or states that hate each-other because of team rivalries, stuff like that. With comics it's very much not like that at all.
 
I like the MCU, and DCs current lineup of TV shows (though I am casting a critical eye over Gotham).

Marvel just keep doing stuff right for me....witty superhero movies, a great programme like Unlimited to give me all the comics I need/want...and DC keeps giving nice things to Zack Snyder.

Someone stop him.

Please?
Oh god I didn't realise he was directing BvS and both JL films. What did we do to deserve that? They should have pretty good fight scenes and hopefully he somehow becomes a fantastic filmmaker in the next year or so...
 

Spinluck

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It's entertaining to watch fanboys war over the films, but it is harmless.

Both sides go to see all these films regardless--whether it's Marvel or DC doesn't really matter much, only the tryhards take it seriously.
 
I feel like Marvel fans have it more out for Fox and Sony then DC at this point.

I agree and I really don't get it. I mean yes I think it'd be cool to see Spider-Man and the X-Men in the Infinity War, but given how convoluted the X-Men's history is alone I'm glad to see them separated. Especially given the very real difference in treatment of the superpowered in each corner of the MU.

"If my neighbor's son wakes up one day with quills or firing lightning out of his ass, he's a threat to every man, woman, and child on the planet, but the giant green rage monster is cool."
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
I agree and I really don't get it. I mean yes I think it'd be cool to see Spider-Man and the X-Men in the Infinity War, but given how convoluted the X-Men's history is alone I'm glad to see them separated. Especially given the very real difference in treatment of the superpowered in each corner of the MU.

"If my neighbor's son wakes up one day with quills or firing lightning out of his ass, he's a threat to every man, woman, and child on the planet, but the giant green rage monster is cool."

Because they are invested and protective of the MCU and see Fox and Sony as keeping it incomplete through corporate greed and contractual bullshit. Even though Marvel would have sunk if it wasnt for Sony and Fox taking the real risk in the first place and making superheroes in cinema a thing. Also possibly cause many people find Marvel movies to have a higher general quality to them compared to the highs and lows of Sony and Fox.
 

WanderingWind

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I agree and I really don't get it. I mean yes I think it'd be cool to see Spider-Man and the X-Men in the Infinity War, but given how convoluted the X-Men's history is alone I'm glad to see them separated. Especially given the very real difference in treatment of the superpowered in each corner of the MU.

"If my neighbor's son wakes up one day with quills or firing lightning out of his ass, he's a threat to every man, woman, and child on the planet, but the giant green rage monster is cool."

Since a kid I've always felt it would be better for everybody for the X-Men to be in their own pocket, and the shitty stories that have come from mixing the Avengers and X-Teams recently have reaffirmed it.

But Spider-Man on the Avengers would be a different story and would be totally awesome. Plus, the whole "he's a menace thing" works in the MCU. In that universe, everybody knows who all the Avengers are, so while the Hulk being on there doesn't make a tone of sense, having Banner there does. Having a masked guy that has been accused of committing crimes (falsely) would be different.
 
My complaint at this point is that DC is rearing up to try and fight Marvel using fire with fire tactics. They are copying Marvel's formula and trying to capitalize on the success they have so far, but I don't think it will work. Marvel's lineup works great because it's heroes bouncing in and out of one anothers stories, and as a team they are fantastic. DC is kind of the opposite, their heroes work great for their own stories, but together it just becomes "lets find a way to cripple Superman so everyone else doesn't seem worthless":

I'm not rooting against DC, but I know their movies probably won't be as good. I get the feeling they are a lot more controlling of their directors and put too much faith in producers. They are the company that almost brought us Nic Cage as Superman after all. Batman has been hit or miss at this point (Nolan's trilogy is genius), and Superman has been more miss than hit (although I did actually like MoS despite its crap pacing), but once you get past that DC has released almost nothing but failed attempts (Green Lantern, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex), and I don't think a Justice League movie will be nearly the hit Avengers is/will be.

Since a kid I've always felt it would be better for everybody for the X-Men to be in their own pocket

Having a massive number of humans with powers on top of all the legitimate super heroes kinds of diludes their presence. Like, yea you have Thor, but there are 10x as many teenagers in Manhattan with his level of power. It just makes the entire story world seem ridiculous.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
My complaint at this point is that DC is rearing up to try and fight Marvel using fire with fire tactics. They are copying Marvel's formula and trying to capitalize on the success they have so far, but I don't think it will work. Marvel's lineup works great because it's heroes bouncing in and out of one anothers stories, and as a team they are fantastic. DC is kind of the opposite, their heroes work great for their own stories, but together it just becomes "lets find a way to cripple Superman so everyone else doesn't seem worthless":

I'm not rooting against DC, but I know their movies probably won't be as good. I get the feeling they are a lot more controlling of their directors and put too much faith in producers. They are the company that almost brought us Nic Cage as Superman after all. Batman has been hit or miss at this point (Nolan's trilogy is genius), and Superman has been more miss than hit (although I did actually like MoS despite its crap pacing), but once you get past that DC has released almost nothing but failed attempts (Green Lantern, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex), and I don't think a Justice League movie will be nearly the hit Avengers is/will be.

They dont have to do this but it would require some Morrison level shit, and the mainstream moviegoers isnt gonna know wtf is going on in a movie like that.

Also I feel like its Marvel that is the one with the tight executive hand clamped firmly over these movies. I dont think these new DC films are gonna get anyone directing with control like Nolan, because thats not how Marvel does it.
 

Nibel

Member
The 'war' between DC and Marvel fans is dumb and I laugh at it and watch every movie of them no matter what.
 
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